Why are you being sarcastic about me and not addressing me directly?Hi griff. Let's see, if prevenient grace can be resisted coupled with "enslaved-will" then = / = no "Prevenient Grace," correct? JMy friend Oz, we sent u to school and bought you books + internet, how could u go in the wrong direction? Just your ol' buddy Jack.
Why are you being sarcastic about me and not addressing me directly?
Both a Calvinist and an Arminian disagree with your understanding of omniscience.Free will and omniscience are incompatible. To maintain that God foreknows the future with total accuracy when people have complete freedom to reach their own independent decisions, involves one in performing mental gymnastics in order to try and explain what is logically impossible.
Henry Thiessen, an Arminian, wrote:Omniscience. The attribute of God whereby he fully knows himself and all things actual and possible in one simple and eternal act (1999. Bible Doctrine. Leicester, England: Inter-Varsity Press, p. 490).
Thiessen presented the biblical evidence: God knows things actually existing;By the omniscience of God we mean that He knows Himself and all other things, whether they be actual or merely possible, whether they be past, present, or future, and that He knows them perfectly and from all eternity. He knows things immediately, simultaneously, exhaustively and truly. He also knows the best ways to attain His desired ends (1949. Lectures in Systematic Theology. Grand Rapids, Michigan: Wm B. Eerdmans Publishing Company, p. 124).
Sarcasm again. Surely your older age should tell you that sarcasm doesn't work and it does not cause you to win friends and influence people....awakens those that are snoozing, ie, including those that I have a lot of respect for. No offense intended my friend Oz. Now you can see why I would win any popularity contest on CF. I'm an ol' old man and the way you can awaken me is show me where I'm in error. I agape responses such as yours, ie, been receiving them for almost three decades. Had a similar response couple days ago, and made my day.
Your question demonstrates that you not only don't know the meaning of prevenient grace but also that you continue to be sarcastic towards those with a different understanding of grace to yours.Can prevenient grace be resisted?
Your question demonstrates that you not only don't know the meaning of prevenient grace
but also that you continue to be sarcastic towards those with a different understanding of grace to yours.
So from what I can tell, neither prevenient grace nor irresistible grace can be resisted. Here is the difference between the two:
Prevenient grace - God gives man the tools necessary to pull himself up by his bootstraps and bring himself to God. May or may not result in salvation. Depends on the man and if he's good enough to obey and quit being stubborn.
Irresistible grace - God brings man to himself giving everything required for salvation, including the desire to be saved, faith and repentance that will persevere to the end, resulting in salvation every single time.
And the synergists like Oz want us to believe the one that results in salvation is a horrible thing. Huh.
If a choice isn't a choice, then there is no such thing as a choice. Nobody who argues in favor of free will can reasonably suggest that the will is totally free, since if that were the case, we could freely will to shoot off into space and go sightseeing in Andromeda and be back for supper. No, naturally, the freedom of the will is limited by the bounds determined by our sovereign Creator, but if the will is not totally free, does that necessarily mean we have no freedom to make choices at all? Of course not.
God's grace is irresistible;
It is. All men by nature resist it. And when God is ready to bring one of his children to faith, he overcomes that resistance. That's the doctrine of irresistible grace. I'm so thankful for that! I'm so glad God came and rescued me and brought me to himself rather than waiting for me to do the right thing and to go to him. Praise God!
Because it is not. It is common grace. It is no more a violation of free will than a person receiving a soul/spirit is a violation of free will.Why don't you consider prevenient grace a violation of free will?
This means that the human will is freed in relation to salvation. It is not a violation of free will. We know that the will has been freed in relation to salvation because it is implied in the exhortations:For the grace of God has appeared bringing salvation for all people (Titus 2:11 ESV).
You demonstrate that you don't understand the nature of prevenient grace. This is expected as you do not believe in it according to Titus 2:11. Is that verse cut out of your Bible?One can't help but wonder - if we have free will, why do we need prevenient grace to begin with?