The Four Gospels on Sabbath & Resurrection

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Nonsense..... #1. What Jesus said to those who were under the law does not mean we're required to be under the law after the cross. #2. Scripture say, if someone holds a day as sacred, to him it is sacred. Or if someone holds every day as sacred, it's also a personal choice.

I dispute Scripture says what you say.

Who claimed <<we're required to be under the law after the cross>>? Did you? Well, neither did I. But that we both are, whether we want it or not, is indisputable. For as long as we shall live, the Scriptures say. Or have you ceased to be a transgressor of the Law? See, I, haven't.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Wouldn't it be great if the Bible actually said that??

Do you say that in earnest, Bob Ryan? I think you sincerely are! Because you don't say it out of your own. There's really no hope or eye-salve for Laodicea.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Luke-warm is metaphor for hypocrite.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

The Sabbath is not part of the ordinances is part of the Commandments, totally different.

Check the Hebrew words. Reread Ephesians 2 and Colossians 2.

The law was never nailed to the cross.

Then what was!? QUOTE it; don't twist it!

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Col 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
(According to these scriptures, the cross caused the end of ordinances that was against us, including the Sabbath and food restrictions.)

True! But that's Colossians 2:14; NOT verses 16 or 17. In between stands verse 15, according to which Christ triumphed in it, the cross and, Resurrection, which caused Paul to encourage the Church and assure them,


"16Don't you let yourselves be judged or condemned by anyone in eating and drinking or with regard to eating and drinking of feast, whether of month's or Sabbaths', which are but the shadow of what imminently must come for you holding to the Head."


BECAUSE:

12 While dead in your sins God who raised Christ from the dead forgave you all trespasses having quickened you together with Him. Nailing it to the cross and removing it altogether, Christ blotted out the damning law against us; and putting off and ruining the rulers and the authorities [of darkness 1:13], He publicly held them up to shame, triumphing over them in it. [If ye then be raised with Christ 3:1], THEN THEREFORE, don’t you let yourselves be judged and condemned by anyone (of the world 2:8, 20) in your eating and drinking or with regard to your eating and drinking of feast, whether of month’s or of Sabbaths’—17all which shadows forth what soon must be, the BODY OF CHRIST'S OWN!


18 Let no man not holding to the Head [but] puffed up by his fleshly mind, who conceitedly meddles in what he knows nothing about (the mystery which is Christ 1:28), with his pretentious humility and angelic worship beguile you (with enticing words 2:4) of your reward.


While holding to the Head nourishment being ministered: CHRIST BEING THE SUBSTANCE, all the Body (of Christ’s Own 1:18) by joints and bands [of faith 2:12 Hosea 11:4; peace Ephesians 4:3; and charity Colossians 3:14], and knit together (in love 2:2), will grow with the growth of God.


Since having resurrected from the dead "on the Sabbath in fullness of day", "Jesus having entered into his Own Rest as God in his own, He gave them Rest, so that THEREFORE A KEEPING OF SABBATH REST DAY FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD REMAINS."

 

[amadeois]

Need to read the Old Testament and the parts of the law: commandments, statements, ordinances and judgements.

Four different types of orders.
Like the DMV regulations.

Law: Maximum speed on the highway is 65 mph.

How do we enforce that?

We need to create statements that will cause a fine if you go over 65.

How do you enforce that? Need to create a police department, court systems, list of fines, rules of the road etc., etc.

So the ordinances and judgements of the law were done sway with, the commandments and statements are still in force. They will not save you, only believing in Yeshua does.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Complete nonsense. Here are your scriptures ( Luke 13:15; 14:5,)Are you saying that Jesus said He would rise from the pit like the ass or the ox on the Sabbath? I don't have a clue what you're talking about.

You obviously don't. The prophets spoke of Jesus; Jesus was the Prophet Himself spoken of by them. Jesus witnessed of Himself through the Holy Spirit, his words which He said were spirit and truth. Jesus never said anything which never pertained HIMSELF.

You do not, not understand; you will not, understand; you will not, "believe the Scriptures" or "prophets" who spoke and wrote of "the Christ: HOW THAT HE HAD TO SUFFER AND THE THIRD DAY RISE".

ALL the Scriptures, said Jesus. That included Luke 13:15 and 14:5.

Want to deny it? Then go ahead, deny it! I believe Jesus.

 

[amadeois]

So the Sabbath is still going.

 

[amadeois]

Yeshua was resurrected on the sabbath, day 17 of Abib.

The Ark of Noah, salvation from the flood, rested on the 17th day of the 7th month, but that 7th month was of the religious year, so the Noah's salvation rested as Yeshua (Jesus) rested also on the 17th day of the 7th religious month.

Coincidence?

 

[bugkiller]

I dispute Scripture says what you say.

Who claimed <<we're required to be under the law after the cross>>? Did you? Well, neither did I. But that we both are, whether we want it or not, is indisputable. For as long as we shall live, the Scriptures say. Or have you ceased to be a transgressor of the Law? See, I, haven't.

The Christian is not spoken of as a transgressor of the law.

bugkiller

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Yeshua was resurrected on the sabbath, day 17 of Abib.

The Ark of Noah, salvation from the flood, rested on the 17th day of the 7th month, but that 7th month was of the religious year, so the Noah's salvation rested as Yeshua (Jesus) rested also on the 17th day of the 7th religious month.

Coincidence?

Compare
http://www.biblestudents.co.za/docs/...ahs%20life.htm


http://www.biblestudents.co.za/docs/html/Bone-day in Noahs life.htm

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

http://www.biblestudents.co.za/docs/...ahs%20life.htm

Yeshua was resurrected on the sabbath, day 17 of Abib.

The Ark of Noah, salvation from the flood, rested on the 17th day of the 7th month, but that 7th month was of the religious year, so the Noah's salvation rested as Yeshua (Jesus) rested also on the 17th day of the 7th religious month.

Coincidence?

Connection between <religious> and "Noah's life" is only possible through finding "the Selfsame Bone Day", "to its season" (calendar) known in the Books of Genesis and Exodus pertaining, Noah, Abraham, and the passover "the Selfsame Bone Day 430 years after".

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

The 17th day in the second month in the 600th year of Noah’s life Gn.7:13 was

“the selfsame Bone-Day”, which was “the selfsame Bone-Day the LORD made a covenant with Abraham” and “Abraham was circumcised on” Gn.15:17; 17:26.

This “selfsame Bone-Day after four hundred and thirty years all the hosts of the LORD went OUT” Ex.12:41; 14:4; and it again, was “this, that selfsame Bone-Day Whole-Day” on which the LORD had “brought Israel IN” on, and “thus saved Israel That Day”. Because of the “selfsame Bone-Day”, the LORD commanded the children of Israel, “Remember the Sabbath Day … the Seventh Day is the Sabbath of the LORD GOD.”

Now divide the entire year that Noah remained in the ark into weeks, and the 27th day in the second month of the 601st year of Noah’s life, was on the __Fifth__ Day of the week Gn.8:14-21, and the 28th day was the Sixth Day of the week Gn.8:22, and the Seventh Day—Sabbath, was the 29th day of the second month in Noah’s 601st year. Gn.9:1-19.

Notice the similarities found in Genesis 1 and 2 in the story of the creation.

Then the story of Noah’s sons is resumed in Gn.9:20… a First Day of the week—all inferred from “the selfsame Bone-Day” mentioned for the first time in Genesis 7:13, confirmed in Abraham’s life, twice, and finally instituted as Passover of Yahweh in prophetic eschatological view of Christ our Passover and Lamb of God.

 

[amadeois]

Could you explain, please?

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Yeshua was resurrected on the sabbath, day 17 of Abib.

The Ark of Noah, salvation from the flood, rested on the 17th day of the 7th month, but that 7th month was of the religious year, so the Noah's salvation rested as Yeshua (Jesus) rested also on the 17th day of the 7th religious month.

Coincidence?

The Ark of Noah did not <<rest>> on the 17th day of the 7th month “in NOAH’S life”, Genesis 8:4. The <rest> was still five months ahead!


The ark stranded on mount Ararat on the Second Day of the week which was the 15th day of the Sixth Month counting months of 30 days “to their season”. The weeks were determined by the "Bone-Day" according to the LORD's Promise to Noah concerning the Messiah, who was "reaped", and "lifted up" and "brought" to the sanctuary “on the fourteenth day of the First Month”, to ‘rest’ over the following passover- "sabbath" and prophetic eschatological “selfsame whole-day-BONE-DAY” the 15th day of the First Month.


Counting from this "Bone-Day" in the First Month "to season", the first sheaf was to be "waved before the LORD on the day after the sabbath" OF THE PASSOVER, ON THE SIXTEENTH day of the First Month corresponding to Christ’s Resurrection and final <rest> on the Sabbath the Seventh Day of the week and “sixteenth day of the First Month the Sanctuary was wholly cleansed”.


You forgot that the years and months in Genesis were of Noah's life-- not the <<7th month of the religious year>>. The ark accordingly got stuck on the ground on the 17th day of the 7th month in the 600th year in Noah's life, on the fifteenth day of the Sixth Month, on the Second Day of the week according to the seasonal calendar of 30 days per month.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Follow the occurrences of "the selfsame whole day BONE-DAY" in the Scriptures and discover "the Everlasting Gospel" of Jesus Christ!

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Terah became father of Abram in Ur when 70 years old. Gn.11:26


Terah and house went to Haran when 70 years old. Gn.11:31


Abraham then must have been about 70 and Terah 140 years old …


Abram left Haran when 75 years old. Gn.12:4


Abram was 86 years old when Hagar begat Ismael. Gn.16:16


Promise of own seed and 400 years servitude “in the same day BONE-DAY the LORD made covenant with Abram.” Gn.15:18


Abram was 99 years old when the LORD established his covenant in Abram’s flesh, circumcision, “in the selfsame BONE-DAY”. Gn.17:24,26


Abram was 100 years old when Sarah begat. Isaac Gn.21:5


Now “At the end of the four hundred and thirty years even the selfsame BONE-DAY all the hosts of the LORD went out from the land of Egypt.” Ex.12:41


400 years of servitude and sojourning in Gn.15:18; 430 years in Ex.12:41 must be explained by Abraham’s initial exodus from Ur at the approximate age of 70. Now that goings out of Abram out of Ur of the Chaldees being presupposed and called in Exodus 12:41, “the selfsame BONE-DAY”, it follows “the selfsame BONE-DAY” is also presupposed and implied in Genesis 15:18.

 

[bugkiller]

I dispute Scripture says what you say.

Who claimed <<we're required to be under the law after the cross>>? Did you? Well, neither did I. But that we both are, whether we want it or not, is indisputable. For as long as we shall live, the Scriptures say. Or have you ceased to be a transgressor of the Law? See, I, haven't.

No because Romans says we are delivered from the law. Check Rom 7:6

bugkiller

 

[Dale]

Terah became father of Abram in Ur when 70 years old. Gn.11:26


Terah and house went to Haran when 70 years old. Gn.11:31


Abraham then must have been about 70 and Terah 140 years old …


Abram left Haran when 75 years old. Gn.12:4


Abram was 86 years old when Hagar begat Ismael. Gn.16:16


Promise of own seed and 400 years servitude “in the same day BONE-DAY the LORD made covenant with Abram.” Gn.15:18


Abram was 99 years old when the LORD established his covenant in Abram’s flesh, circumcision, “in the selfsame BONE-DAY”. Gn.17:24,26


Abram was 100 years old when Sarah begat. Isaac Gn.21:5


Now “At the end of the four hundred and thirty years even the selfsame BONE-DAY all the hosts of the LORD went out from the land of Egypt.” Ex.12:41


400 years of servitude and sojourning in Gn.15:18; 430 years in Ex.12:41 must be explained by Abraham’s initial exodus from Ur at the approximate age of 70. Now that goings out of Abram out of Ur of the Chaldees being presupposed and called in Exodus 12:41, “the selfsame BONE-DAY”, it follows “the selfsame BONE-DAY” is also presupposed and implied in Genesis 15:18.

3 As I urged you when I was going to Macedo′nia, remain at Ephesus that you may charge certain persons not to teach any different doctrine, 4 nor to occupy themselves with myths and endless genealogies which promote speculations rather than the divine training that is in faith; 5whereas the aim of our charge is love that issues from a pure heart and a good conscience and sincere faith.


1 Timothy 1: 3-5 RSV



9 But avoid stupid controversies, genealogies, dissensions, and quarrels over the law, for they are unprofitable and futile.


Titus 3:9 RSV

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

No because Romans says we are delivered from the law. Check Rom 7:6

Yes, as a means to salvation we are delivered from the Law; as a means of condemnation we are never delivered from the Law or the curse of the Law except we through grace are found in Christ.