The Father Of (Partial Preterism) A Catholic Jesuit "Luis De Alcasar" (1554-1613)

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No, it is Him coming in judgement on the ones who turned against Him and delivered Him up to the Romans, demanding His death.
Sorry Hank, The Preterist Symbolic Teaching Of The Verses Below Is 100% Error.

You Want To Have?

A Literal Temple Destroyed.

Literal Armies, Destroying A Literal City Jerusalem.

Literal Humans Fleeing To The Mountains.

And You Want A Symbolic Jesus In The Clouds, And Symbolic Eyes On A Symbolic Earth Watching.

Sorry Hank, Future Literal Events, Verses 29-31 Destroy Your Preterist 66-70AD Fulfillment.

"Immediately After The Tribulation Of Those Days"

"They Shall See The Son Of Man Coming"

"Literally"!

Matthew 24:29-31KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
 
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Truth7t7: The False Teaching Of (Partial Preterism) From The Roman Catholic Jesuit Priest (Luis De Alcazar 1554-1613) During The Counter Reformation.

Roman Catholic Jesuit Priest, Luis De Alcazar, "A Corrupt Tree"!

Matthew 7:18KJV
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.


Matthew 12:33KJV
Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.


Wikipedia: Luis del Alcázar (Ludovicus ab Alcasar, Louis of Alcazar) (1554–1613) was a Spanish Jesuit theologian.

He is known for his Vestigatio arcani sensus in Apocalypsi (1614) published after his death, putting forward what would later be called a preterist view of Biblical prophecy, in commentary on the Book of Revelation; his work is regarded as the first major application of the method of interpretation of prophecy by reading in terms of the author's contemporary concerns.[5] His view was that everything in the Apocalypse, apart from the three final chapters, refers to events that already have come to pass.
Wikipedia: Preterism

Preterism is a Christian eschatological view that interprets some (partial preterism) or all (full preterism) prophecies of the Bible as events which have already happened. This school of thought interprets the Book of Daniel as referring to events that happened in the 2nd century BC, while seeing the prophecies of Revelation as events that happened in the first century AD. Preterism holds that Ancient Israel finds its continuation or fulfillment in the Christian church at the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70.

The term preterism comes from the Latin praeter, which Webster's 1913 dictionary lists as a prefix denoting that something is "past" or "beyond". Adherents of preterism are commonly known as preterists. Preterism teaches that either all (full preterism) or a majority (partial preterism) of the Olivet discourse had come to pass by AD 70.

Historically, preterists and non-preterists have generally agreed that the Jesuit Luis de Alcasar (1554–1613) wrote the first systematic preterist exposition of prophecy - Vestigatio arcani sensus in Apocalypsi (published in 1614)—during the Counter-Reformation.


Moses Stuart noted that Alcasar's preterist interpretation was of considerable benefit to the Roman Catholic Church during its arguments with Protestants,[3] and preterism has been described in modern eschatological commentary as a Catholic defense against the Protestant Historicist view which identified the Roman Catholic Church as a persecuting apostasy.

Jesus Christ Is The Lord!

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Honestly.... Prophecy in scripture has multiple fulfillment’s in many instances that link to Heaven, Earth Past and Earth Present... and ofcoarse... Earth and Heaven future.

The issues with theology of any systematic nature is that it attempts to record the Holy Spirits final say in theology... which is a direct disobedience of Christ who said He alone is our teacher... and we know the Holy Spirit is the Holy Spirit of Jesus... (1 John 2:27)

To be direct... Israel has always been the centerpiece of scripture...

Even in Revelation... Tabrinacle verbiage of the Hebrews is key.

Preterrorism... :D and Dispensational systems... are as accurate as “Calvinism”!

They all fail to understand that God Reveals from scripture to Man and again can reveal directly to Man without scripture.

Each person is shown different things and all of it revolves around Jesus. John 5:39

Men try to write the “end all” interpretations and in doing so... profess to be “God”... unknowingly... but stupidly!

True Wisdom comes from ONE alone Who speaks to our hearts as no other can.
 
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To be direct... Israel has always been the centerpiece of scripture...


Luk 24:25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:

Luk 24:26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?

Luk 24:27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

The whole Bible is about God's Son, based on His words above.

He is the seed of the woman in Genesis 3:15 and the seed of Abraham through which all the nations would be blessed in Genesis chapter 12.

He is the ultimate fulfillment of Israel found in Matthew 1:1 and confirmed by Paul in Galatians 3:16.

We find in John 1:1-14, that He is the Word of God from the beginning.


The New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34 is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and is specifically applied to the New Covenant Church in Hebrews 12:22-24, and 2 Corinthians 3:6-8.


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Also... the Catholic VS. Protestant war makes the Devil happy.

Followers of Christ are divided by labels and call one another of the devil.

The devil must be on vacation since so many Christians are doing his job for him.
I'm Not A Protestant Or A Catholic, JW, Mormon, Baptist, Presbyterian, Evangelical, 7th Day Adventist, Etc?

I'm A Christian

Acts 11:26KJV

And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.

The Church Is Sealed By God's Holy Spirit

Ephesians 4:30 KJV

30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

The righteous are from every kindred, tongue, and nation

Revelation 7:9KJV
After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

 
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I Don't Believe Justin Martyr 100-165AD, Iranaeus 130-202AD, Hippolytus 170-235AD Were "Roman Catholic"

The Emperors Were The Rulers Of The Day, And There Was No "Roman Catholic Church" Headed By A Pope.

Your Claims Are False, And We Can Both Laugh Together.

I didn't say Roman Catholic, but they were part of the Church which was called "katholicos." It just seemed odd to me to quote the Early Fathers because of all that the were, the were not Protestant in anything they taught.
 
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I Believe There Will Be A Future Literal Human Man Of Jewish Decent That Will Be The Antichrist Of Daniel 9:27, 2 Thessalonians 2:1-5

I Believe He Will Cause The Future Abomination Of Desolation In Jerusalem Daniel 9:27

I Believe There Will Be 42 Months/1260 Days In A Future Tribulation And Fulfilling Of The Gentiles, With Literal Prophets Returned "Two Witnesses" Revelation 11:1-15

I Believe Jesus Christ Will Return In Fire And Final Judgment "Immediately" After The Tribulation, Matthew 24:29-31, Luke 17:29-30, Micah 3:2, 2 Thessalonians 1:7-8, 1 Corinthians 3:13

Eternity Begins!

And I assume that you have read the arguments of the Preterists against this?
 
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"Luis De Alcasar" Was A Jesuit Priest, A Dark Evil Order As My Study Finds, I Won't Continue In Response To Roman Catholocism, And The Jesuit Order, The Inquisition, Etc.

Jesuit Extreme Oath of Induction

The following is the Jesuit Extreme Oath of Induction given to high ranking Jesuits only. This oath is taken from the book Subterranean Rome by Carlos Didier, translated from the French, and published in New York in 1843.

"When a Jesuit of the minor rank is to be elevated to command, he is conducted into the Chapel of the Convent of the Order, where there are only three others present, the principal or Superior standing in front of the altar. On either side stands a monk, one of whom holds a banner of yellow and white, which are the Papal colors, and the other a black banner with a dagger and red cross above a skull and crossbones, with the word INRI, and below them the words IUSTUM, NECAR, REGES, IMPIOUS. The meaning of which is: It is just to exterminate or annihilate impious or heretical Kings, Governments, or Rulers. Upon the floor is a red cross at which the postulant or candidate kneels. The Superior hands him a small black crucifix, which he takes in his left hand and presses to his heart, and the Superior at the same time presents to him a dagger, which he grasps by the blade and holds the point against his heart, the Superior still holding it by the hilt, and thus addresses the postulant:"

Superior:

My son, heretofore you have been taught to act the dissembler: among Roman Catholics to be a Roman Catholic, and to be a spy even among your own brethren; to believe no man, to trust no man. Among the Reformers, to be a reformer; among the Huguenots, to be a Huguenot; among the Calvinists, to be a Calvinist; among other Protestants, generally to be a Protestant, and obtaining their confidence, to seek even to preach from their pulpits, and to denounce with all the vehemence in your nature our Holy Religion and the Pope; and even to descend so low as to become a Jew among Jews, that you might be enabled to gather together all information for the benefit of your Order as a faithful soldier of the Pope.

You have been taught to insidiously plant the seeds of jealousy and hatred between communities, provinces, states that were at peace, and incite them to deeds of blood, involving them in war with each other, and to create revolutions and civil wars in countries that were independent and prosperous, cultivating the arts and the sciences and enjoying the blessings of peace. To take sides with the combatants and to act secretly with your brother Jesuit, who might be engaged on the other side, but openly opposed to that with which you might be connected, only that the Church might be the gainer in the end, in the conditions fixed in the treaties for peace and that the end justifies the means.

You have been taught your duty as a spy, to gather all statistics, facts and information in your power from every source; to ingratiate yourself into the confidence of the family circle of Protestants and heretics of every class and character, as well as that of the merchant, the banker, the lawyer, among the schools and universities, in parliaments and legislatures, and the judiciaries and councils of state, and to be all things to all men, for the Pope's sake, whose servants we are unto death.

You have received all your instructions heretofore as a novice, a neophyte, and have served as co-adjurer, confessor and priest, but you have not yet been invested with all that is necessary to command in the Army of Loyola in the service of the Pope. You must serve the proper time as the instrument and executioner as directed by your superiors; for none can command here who has not consecrated his labors with the blood of the heretic; for "without the shedding of blood no man can be saved." Therefore, to fit yourself for your work and make your own salvation sure, you will, in addition to your former oath of obedience to your order and allegiance to the Pope, repeat after me---

The Extreme Oath of the Jesuits:

"1, _ now, in the presence of Almighty God, the Blessed Virgin Mary, the blessed Michael the Archangel, the blessed St. John the Baptist, the holy Apostles St. Peter and St. Paul and all the saints and sacred hosts of heaven, and to you, my ghostly father, the Superior General of the Society of Jesus, founded by St. Ignatius Loyola in the Pontificate of Paul the Third, and continued to the present, do by the womb of the virgin, the matrix of God, and the rod of Jesus Christ, declare and swear, that his holiness the Pope is Christ's Vice-regent and is the true and only head of the Catholic or Universal Church throughout the earth; and that by virtue of the keys of binding and loosing, given to his Holiness by my Savior, Jesus Christ, he hath power to depose heretical kings, princes, states, commonwealths and governments, all being illegal without his sacred confirmation and that they may safely be destroyed. Therefore, to the utmost of my power I shall and will defend this doctrine of his Holiness' right and custom against all usurpers of the heretical or Protestant authority whatever, especially the Lutheran of Germany, Holland, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, and the now pretended authority and churches of England and Scotland, and branches of the same now established in Ireland and on the Continent of America and elsewhere; and all adherents in regard that they be usurped and heretical, opposing the sacred Mother Church of Rome. I do now renounce and disown any allegiance as due to any heretical king, prince or state named Protestants or Liberals, or obedience to any of the laws, magistrates or officers.

I do further declare that the doctrine of the churches of England and Scotland, of the Calvinists, Huguenots and others of the name Protestants or Liberals to be damnable and they themselves damned who will not forsake the same.

I do further declare, that I will help, assist, and advise all or any of his Holiness' agents in any place wherever I shall be, in Switzerland, Germany, Holland, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, England, Ireland or America, or in any other Kingdom or territory I shall come to, and do my uttermost to extirpate the heretical Protestants or Liberals' doctrines and to destroy all their pretended powers, regal or otherwise.

I do further promise and declare, that notwithstanding I am dispensed with, to assume my religion heretical, for the propaganda of the Mother Church's interest, to keep secret and private all her agents' counsels from time to time, as they may entrust me and not to divulge, directly or indirectly, by word, writing or circumstance whatever; but to execute all that shall be proposed, given in charge or discovered unto me, by you, my ghostly father, or any of this sacred covenant.

I do further promise and declare, that I will have no opinion or will of my own, or any mental reservation whatever, even as a corpse or cadaver (perinde ac cadaver), but will unhesitatingly obey each and every command that I may receive from my superiors in the Militia of the Pope and of Jesus Christ.

That I may go to any part of the world withersoever I may be sent, to the frozen regions of the North, the burning sands of the desert of Africa, or the jungles of India, to the centers of civilization of Europe, or to the wild haunts of the barbarous savages of America, without murmuring or repining, and will be submissive in all things whatsoever communicated to me.

I furthermore promise and declare that I will, when opportunity present, make and wage relentless war, secretly or openly, against all heretics, Protestants and Liberals, as I am directed to do, to extirpate and exterminate them from the face of the whole earth; and that I will spare neither age, sex or condition; and that I will hang, waste, boil, flay, strangle and bury alive these infamous heretics, rip up the stomachs and wombs of their women and crush their infants' heads against the walls, in order to annihilate forever their execrable race. That when the same cannot be done openly, I will secretly use the poisoned cup, the strangulating cord, the steel of the poniard or the leaden bullet, regardless of the honor, rank, dignity, or authority of the person or persons, whatever may be their condition in life, either public or private, as I at any time may be directed so to do by any agent of the Pope or Superior of the Brotherhood of the Holy Faith, of the Society of Jesus.

In confirmation of which, I hereby dedicate my life, my soul and all my corporal powers, and with this dagger which I now receive, I will subscribe my name written in my own blood, in testimony thereof; and should I prove false or weaken in my determination, may my brethren and fellow soldiers of the Militia of the Pope cut off my hands and my feet, and my throat from ear to ear, my belly opened and sulphur burned therein, with all the punishment that can be inflicted upon me on earth and my soul be tortured by demons in an eternal hell forever!

All of which, I, _, do swear by the Blessed Trinity and blessed Sacraments, which I am now to receive, to perform and on my part to keep inviolable; and do call all the heavenly and glorious host of heaven to witness the blessed Sacrament of the Eucharist, and witness the same further with my name written and with the point of this dagger dipped in my own blood and sealed in the face of this holy covenant."

(He receives the wafer from the Superior and writes his name with the point of his dagger dipped in his own blood taken from over his heart.)

Superior:

"You will now rise to your feet and I will instruct you in the Catechism necessary to make yourself known to any member of the Society of Jesus belonging to this rank.

In the first place, you, as a Brother Jesuit, will with another mutually make the ordinary sign of the cross as any ordinary Roman Catholic would; then one cross his wrists, the palms of his hands open, and the other in answer crosses his feet, one above the other; the first points with forefinger of the right hand to the center of the palm of the left, the other with the forefinger of the left hand points to the center of the palm of the right; the first then with his right hand makes a circle around his head, touching it; the other then with the forefinger of his left hand touches the left side of his body just below his heart; the first then with his right hand draws it across the throat of the other, and the latter then with a dagger down the stomach and abdomen of the first. The first then says Iustum; and the other answers Necar; the first Reges. The other answers Impious." (The meaning of which has already been explained.) "The first will then present a small piece of paper folded in a peculiar manner, four times, which the other will cut longitudinally and on opening the name Jesu will be found written upon the head and arms of a cross three times. You will then give and receive with him the following questions and answers:

Question —From whither do you come? Answer — The Holy faith.

Q. —Whom do you serve?

A. —The Holy Father at Rome, the Pope, and the Roman Catholic Church Universal throughout the world.

Q. —Who commands you?

A. —The Successor of St. Ignatius Loyola, the founder of the Society of Jesus or the Soldiers of Jesus Christ.

Q. —Who received you? A. —A venerable man in white hair.

Q. —How?

A. —With a naked dagger, I kneeling upon the cross beneath the banners of the Pope and of our sacred order.

Q. —Did you take an oath?

A. —I did, to destroy heretics and their governments and rulers, and to spare neither age, sex nor condition. To be as a corpse without any opinion or will of my own, but to implicitly obey my Superiors in all things without hesitation of murmuring.

Q. —Will you do that? A. —I will.

Q. —How do you travel? A. —In the bark of Peter the fisherman.

Q. —Whither do you travel? A. —To the four quarters of the globe. Q. —For what purpose?

A. —To obey the orders of my general and Superiors and execute the will of the Pope and faithfully fulfill the conditions of my oaths.

Q. —Go ye, then, into all the world and take possession of all lands in the name of the Pope. He who will not accept him as the Vicar of Jesus and his Vice-regent on earth, let him be accursed and exterminated."
I wonder if you know about the Jesuits sinking the Titanic?

Or that the Jesuit Oath you quote here is a fiction by the forger Robert Ware in 1689? Here's what a Seventh Day Adventist had to say about it (and Seventh Day Adventists are generally rabid anti-Catholics):
This was in fact a late seventeenth-century forgery on the scale of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. It was authored by Robert Ware and is a prime example of what Richard Hofstadter called anti-Catholic “inappropriate contentography of the Puritan.”

Maybe you have insulated yourself sufficiently by convincing yourself that all Jesuits are liars and that of course I would lie and deny being a Jesuit and lie about this when I claim it is a hoax.
 
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Protocols of the Elders of Zion

that is what I was thinking of as I read through that outlandish 'oath'

yep, Jesuits sunk both the Titanic and The Edmund Fitzgerald - maybe Lusitania also!

Jack the Ripper ? -- definitely a Jesuit...

Global Warming? ( Jesuits with heat-rays, blastin' away at the poles -- the futurists took the south pole, the preterists at the north pole )

looks like SOMEBODY IS BUSTED concerning that wild 'oath'

 
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I don't think he is, he's just saying that one is.
"He is?" Who is?
On the flip side, won't you agree that a Catholic can be wrong? If not, you don't know much about the Bible.
Why on earth would you entertain the idea that I might think a Catholic cannot be wrong? Why would you think I wouldn't know much about the Bible as a reason to think no Catholic could ever be wrong. I'm mystified.
Remember, we are all sinners, we all make mistakes, especially in the area of eschatology.
You may sin, especially in the area of eschatology, but I don't think I do. And here's why. I don't pretend to understand it like some sort of expert who can pontificate on and on about it. Not for a second.
There are a half dozen views of Revelation and we all think ours is right. Either one is right and the others wrong, they could all be wrong, or some views may have part of it figured out, and part of it wrong too.
I'm not proposing any pet theory about what the book of the Apocalypse means. I'm a learner, not a pontificator. I can be quite content trying to figure it out and be able to admit I am still trying to figure it out. I don't at all have it figured out. I'm not defending or attacking any particular position. Not sinning. At least not sinning with respect to eschatology. Other areas I do though. Because as a Catholic I know I can be wrong and I can sin. I am wrong often enough. I sin all too often. I know that. That shouldn't be a surprise.
Catholics and Protestants are brothers and sisters, we all believe that Jesus died for our sins and rose on the third day according to the scriptures and that He ascended, is God in the flesh (with the exception of some sects not believing in the Trinity), and also share the majority of essential doctrines in common.
Wow.
The future is written but we just don't have it all figured out. God did that purposely. Revelation cannot be read in a chronological order, it doesn't work that way, which is why it is so confusing. But making it into some symbolic allegory is the same as adding to it - which we are warned against.
A Great Tribulation will affect the entire world, not just a small town in the past attacked by one empire. Many nations come against Israel, as a matter of fact ALL nations come against her during this time. Jesus will literally appear as the two angels claimed He would return in like manner as He ascended in to Heaven. Did He return in 70 A.D. and set up His Kingdom? Did He judge the world, banish sin, Satan and His demonic horde? Not yet. What of Paradise reborn, do we have a promise of that?
God did not intend man to suffer in a sinful world for eons without end. His plan was finite for this world as we know it and eternal for us. Good and evil have been woven through the fabric of history for His purpose. We know evil and therefore, we appreciate more the attributes of God, His goodness, mercy and forgiveness - we wouldn't know good otherwise. They are watching growing towards the precipice and will soon be separated.
Redemption draws near, it's at the door.
That's theory, and as you say, you could be wrong.
 
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that is what I was thinking of as I read through that outlandish 'oath'

yep, Jesuits sunk both the Titanic and The Edmund Fitzgerald - maybe Lusitania also!
I missed that part about the Edmund Fitz. I'm just not up on my conspiracy theories.
looks like SOMEBODY IS BUSTED concerning that wild 'oath'
I suspect that the retort will be something to the effect that I'm a Jesuit and I'm lying as all Jesuits must do, and that the proof of that is found ... wait for it ... right there in the Jesuit Oath. It's all so circular.

NB: Note how sneaky I was in not mentioning the Lusitania, Jack the Ripper, or Global warming. Because those are all TRUE. Bwahahaha
 
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Black Plague?

Yep - Jesuit germ warfare.
The Black death was 1347 - 1351 AD. That was 200 years before Ignatius of Loyola even founded the Jesuits. Oh, now I understand. The Jesuits have time machines to go back and kill people in the past.

By the way, I just did a search on 'Black Death Jesuit Plot" and I did get 183,000,000 hits. So it must be real.
 
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Think Lee Harvey Oswald was a Lone Gunman? Naahhhh...

Read "THE JESUIT FROM THE GRASSY KNOLL"
Wait. TOO MUCH! Next you are going to say the Jesuits run the Muslims and the Protestants too.

I've had too much fun for the day already. Back on Monday maybe.
 
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The Black death was 1347 - 1351 AD. That was 200 years before Ignatius of Loyola even founded the Jesuits. Oh, now I understand. The Jesuits have time machines to go back and kill people in the past.


Jesuits started the Black Plague?

Oh, those rotten Jesuits! ^_^

Jesuits have a time machine??

Oh, those rotten Jesuits! ^_^
 
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