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The Falling Away

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by SongOnTheWind, Jun 18, 2021.

  1. SongOnTheWind

    SongOnTheWind Well-Known Member

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    Is the Apostacy, or Falling Away, the same as the love of many waxing cold, as told to us by Christ in Matthew 24?

    Are both happening today, right before our eyes?

    There is a specific sequence of events being laid out in Matthew 24. That being so, if we are in the apostacy, then the end is very near, and should guard ourselves against growing cold ourselves.

    Is growing cold simply just a lack of love and care, or is it also to do with compromise with the world? Or are there even more aspects of it?

    I would love to hear some interesting thoughts on these questions. Let's try our best to be edifying in our answers. Be blessed :)
     
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  2. Jeffwhosoever

    Jeffwhosoever Faithful Servant Staff Member Assistant Chaplain Angels Team Supporter

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    Yes it is. Society is degenerating worldwide. Just look at our response to COVID-19. Even the Muslims see the end. Their website is based on the frequency of major earthquakes. 2000-2021 = 1900-1999 = 1200-1899 in number of earthquakes, which Islam is taking as sign of the end.
     
  3. Douggg

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    I think Jesus was talking about enthusiasm for the gospel will fade with many Christians. I think one of the ways to guard against that is to pursue eschatology study and prayer.

    There will be a great falling away from believing Jesus is the messiah in Christendom following Gog/Magog when the Antichrist is anointed the King of Israel messiah.
     
  4. Jeffwhosoever

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    The new fascination and acceptance of homosexuality even in churches in the South suggests to me that the gospel fading is well underway. Church membership is dropping in most if not every denomination too in the USA at least. Kids use profanity in normal conversation and its not PG profanity either.
     
  5. SongOnTheWind

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    If we are not passionate about the gospel, then I would question our belief and conviction in it. None of it is acceptable for me, as how can we call ourselves the Body of Christ (as in head, shoulders knees and toes - and we know that Christ is the head) if we no longer hold concern for the gospel of Christ?

    Also, Jesus does say that the gospel will first be preached to the ends of the earth, and then the end will come.

    Doing all we can to preach this gospel to the whole earth seems like a good way to speed up the process. He is not willing that any should perish, but all be saved.

    Now I am more convinced than before that we are indeed witnessing the great falling away. I don't know how to feel about that.
     
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    The more I talk about the gospel, the more I see people huffing and puffing about it and turning away to pay more attention to the news of this world. Their love for God is what grows cold. Their concern is with this world and they tend to ignore their spiritual health.
    We are definitely in the time of great falling away.
     
  7. Berean Tim

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    2nd Thessalonians 2 I believe is the same as Matthew 24:15. The Apostasy will occur with the AOD describe by Jesus and Paul in these passages. There are those even now who say the "apostasy" in 2nd Thessalonians 2 is actually the "rapture". They'll be claiming the AOD isn't happening because the rapture hasn't happen first.

    Every language translates (apostasia) in 2nd Thessalonians as rebellion, revolt or apostasy. They use 500 year old English translation "departure". Nowhere in scripture is this word used as a physical departure.
     
  8. SongOnTheWind

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    That is extremely deceptive. These verses also show us that the end cannot come except that the falling away comes first.
    How does one know if one is hot or cold, or simply lying to themselves that they are hot? Even worse, how can one tell if they are being lukewarm??

    Edit: the context of my reply is in agreement with this post, just got it pointed out to me that it wasn't clear. I apologise for not being clear.
     
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  9. DavidPT

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    What is extremely deceptive? Are you agreeing with that poster or disagreeing?
     
  10. SongOnTheWind

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    I love real face to face bible talk. It drives some of my Christian friends up the wall, so I don't tend to fellowship with them as much. I used to think that they think I'm just being super-spiritual, but I have other friends I can have a good scriptural conversation with, and can be greatly edified by them. Interestingly enough, with the other set of friends that don't like bible talk, they take great offence to any mention of scripture outside of the sermon on a Sunday. They act like you're accusing them of something, just by asking a question (like the name of a person or something small).
    I just stick to the people I know I can talk with.
     
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  11. SongOnTheWind

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    I am agreeing with your post, sorry! Like people could think that the rapture had to happen first when it's the other way around. I'm sorry, I should have clarified.
     
  12. Berean Tim

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    Thank You for clearing that up
     
  13. Blade

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    Hi :) I don't think so. Well that word "Apostacy" also means "departure". So if you believe a departure happens as in caught up and then the one holding back the lawless one is removed or you believe it means falling away and we go in to the end times.

    I don't see more believers falling away. The hidden Church just in China is growing! Take prayer in School.. seems more and more today want that back. For me I don't see falling away. Falling, stumbling.. but are still with Christ.

    Did you know no where did Christ blot anyone out :) Is there a book of life AND the lambs book? So WE are the light.. so shine. Show the world WE have the way out of all this. When Christ walked this earth demons would cry out before He said a word. THAT should still happen when we walk this earth. That light which is HIM should be shining in us. If not find out why. People should look at you and .. be asking.. whats up? Theres something different about you. Praise GOD glory to Jesus
     
  14. Jeffwhosoever

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    A lot of the gospel today is so grace-centered and unfortunately omits any discussion of actual hell.
     
  15. SongOnTheWind

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    I don't think anyone has looked into the book of life on this side of eternity, to be able to tell you whose names have been blotted out, but:

    Exodus 32:32
    Yet now, if thou wilt forgive their sin--; and if not, blot me, I pray thee, out of thy book which thou hast written.

    Exodus 32:33
    And the Lord said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book.

    Deuteronomy 29:20
    The Lord will not spare him, but then the anger of the Lord and his jealousy shall smoke against that man, and all the curses that are written in this book shall lie upon him, and the Lord shall blot out his name from under heaven.

    Psalm 69:28
    Let them be blotted out of the book of the living, and not be written with the righteous.

    Revelation 3:5
    He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

    That word 'departuue' is actually talking about a departure from the faith. Yes there are many on fire for the Lord, and in some places that number may even be growing, but I also see a spreading of false teachings, increasing compromising with the world, and I believe that just as there are wheat, there are also tares. According to Matthew 13 he tares are separated from the wheat, bundled and burned, before the wheat can be gathered up.
    I do believe it's nearly harvest time.
     
  16. Jeffwhosoever

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    I don't think there is any actual blotting out of names. God knows everything past and present, and future, so the Lamb's book of life that was written before the foundation of the world has every name of every person who will ever be saved already in it, and since the Lord told us Himself that none the Father gives to him can ever be taken away by even Satan, the blotting out is just a warning against falling away from the faith, and I don't think the Lord Jesus will ever need to use whiteout.

    Maybe there is another book of evil or kind actions, but I do not think THE BOOK of life will ever need editing.
     
  17. SongOnTheWind

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    Just posting scripture :)
     
  18. Berean Tim

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    What did the Geneva Bible translators mean by "departure" ? You have no Biblical reason or example of that word used in that way. Twice in the NT and 5 times in the Greek OT, its always used as rebellion
     
  19. Jeffwhosoever

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    I have to examine each Scripture within its context. Its not so simple to just read a verse from here and there. Great list though to provoke thought and study!
     
  20. SongOnTheWind

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    So do I :)
     
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