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The faith at a crossroads

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Not sure the best place to put this post, so I will put it here ...

I have noticed that in the past 10 years or so, many reformed denominations have suffered declines in membership, controversy, and scandal.

The "New Calvinists" seemed to be a big thing 15 years ago, and it was exciting. But while many of their proponents were solid in their theology, some embraced trendy political movements (identity politics, partisanship, academic irrationalism, etc. [Matt Chandler, etc].), and others damaged their reputations through their actions (Mark Driscoll, etc.). The movement seemed to lack organization and coherence, and doesn't seem to be moving forward.

The Southern Baptist Convention has lost millions of members in the last 10 years. The Presbyterian Church is a complete mess, and hundreds of their churches have closed.

My denomination, the EFCA has also seen some issues and controversies. After the Floyd riots, churches in Minnesota embraced far-left politics and engaged in all kinds of activism that turned off members. While the denomination does not *technically* allow female pastors, a couple EFCA churches in California have ordained women under the pretense that the rule only applies to lead-pastors. A couple EFCA pastors have been kicked out of the denomination for objecting to various activities and rules. One wrote a book about his experience. While my particular church has been consistent and solid, I worry abut where all of this is going. I go to church to worship, not involve myself in social activism.

I would assume that many of the people who leave these denominations end up in non-denominational, independent churches

so is this the future? A fragmented and chaotic collection of non-denominational churches in the US? How is one to even know what a church believes, and what its policies are, aside from some general statements on a website? This creates confusion among believers?

As for myself, I am pretty close to being a five-point Calvinist who is pretty traditional in my approach (took a long time to get here). What church can I even go to that doesn't involve itself in trendy left-wing politics, non-Biblical beliefs (women pastors, etc.), partisan politics (for any party), and which doesn't think worship is a feel-good rock concert?
 
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While I'm not a Calvinist, I can sympathize with watching your denomination fall apart due to liberalization, as I did with the UMC.
While the denomination does not *technically* allow female pastors, a couple EFCA churches in California have ordained women under the pretense that the rule only applies to lead-pastors.
That was how the UMC started ordaining women. First it was a few individual cases where a small locality would ordain one, then they were allowed to be deaconesses, then local ministers, then full ministers, then bishops.
While my particular church has been consistent and solid, I worry abut where all of this is going. I go to church to worship, not involve myself in social activism.
That's where a lot of Methodists are today. Ultimately I was pushed out by a combination of moving to a place where the local church was more liberal than I've encountered anywhere else and a conviction that unity has to exist on a broader level than the local church.
I would assume that many of the people who leave these denominations end up in non-denominational, independent churches
Not contradicting you, but why do you think this is? From what I've seen, it's a mixed bag. I myself went to the Orthodox Church, I know of others who have gone to Orthodoxy or Catholicism or to a smaller but more traditional Protestant denomination, and on the other end of the scale I know people who have almost stopped going to church altogether and just watch an online service on their TV.
so is this the future? A fragmented and chaotic collection of non-denominational churches in the US? How is one to even know what a church believes, and what its policies are, aside from some general statements on a website? This creates confusion among believers?
I'm concerned as well about the growth of non-denominationalism, and this is a valid criticism of it. My own take, from having attended these services in various locations, is that they just don't place much (if any) importance on doctrine and are much more focused on providing a comfortable and engaging emotional experience. And sadly, I think there are a lot of people today who are looking for that kind of thing.
What church can I even go to that doesn't involve itself in trendy left-wing politics, non-Biblical beliefs (women pastors, etc.), partisan politics (for any party), and which doesn't think worship is a feel-good rock concert?
Well, Orthodoxy doesn't have any of that ;)

I did look into the Presbyterian Church of America when I decided to leave the UMC, they seem to be a more traditional Calvinist denomination. One other that I became aware of more recently, which seems to be more traditional than the PCA, is the Orthodox Presbyterian Church. I don't know if you'd include those in the "complete mess" of Presbyterianism, but I spent months doing a survey of denominations when I wanted to find a more traditional one, and the smaller, more fragmented ones really seem to be the only places anything traditional survives in Protestantism. My assessment was also that it was a complete mess.
 
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As for myself, I am pretty close to being a five-point Calvinist who is pretty traditional in my approach (took a long time to get here). What church can I even go to that doesn't involve itself in trendy left-wing politics, non-Biblical beliefs (women pastors, etc.), partisan politics (for any party), and which doesn't think worship is a feel-good rock concert?

The Reformed Presbyterian Church of North America, commonly referred to as the Covenanting Presbyterians (along with the Reformed Presbyterian Church in Scotland and elsewhere in the UK, not to be confused with the liberal United Reformed Church or the very liberal established Church of Scotland), might be something of interest to you in that it is rather doctrinally conservative and practices a capella exclusive psalmody, so in terms of its worship, its about as close to 17th century Calvinism as one can get. They set the Psalms metrically to well known hymn tunes (the four part harmony familiar to Protestants known as a chorale), some of which were originally used for singing Psalms, like the Old Hundredth, commonly used for the hymn called “The Doxology”, that is to say “Praise God From Whom All Blessings Flow…” was originally used by John Calvin for singing Psalm 100, hence its name, The Old Hundredth).

Historically the Reformed Episcopal Church has had a reputation of being both very traditional in terms of worship and Calvinist and also conservative - it is affiliated with the Anglican Church in North America of people who left the Episcopal Church due to liberalism, except the Reformed Episcopal Church left the Episcopal church in the 19th century as its members subscribed to Calvinist theology which became increasingly rare within the Episcopal church or within Anglicanism generally (Anglicanism had never been officially Calvinist, but with the Elizabethan Settlement, some effort was made to retain Calvinists within the Church of England for the sake of unity). Thus the Reformed Episcopal Church is a church that is Calvinist but with an Episcopal hierarchy and Anglican worship. This ensures a certain dignity and formality.

My denomination, the EFCA has also seen some issues and controversies. After the Floyd riots, churches in Minnesota embraced far-left politics and engaged in all kinds of activism that turned off members. While the denomination does not *technically* allow female pastors, a couple EFCA churches in California have ordained women under the pretense that the rule only applies to lead-pastors. A couple EFCA pastors have been kicked out of the denomination for objecting to various activities and rules. One wrote a book about his experience. While my particular church has been consistent and solid, I worry abut where all of this is going. I go to church to worship, not involve myself in social activism.

I would assume that many of the people who leave these denominations end up in non-denominational, independent churches

While some are joining non-denominational churches, surprisingly, my own denomination, the Eastern Orthodox has been experiencing record numbers of conversions for the past several years, primarily from disaffected low church Protestants and Evangelicals, for example, Dr. Hank Haanegraaf (this resulted in an ugly episode where the non-denominational pastor John MacArthur accused him of apostasy, while Dr. Haanegraaf was recovering from cancer. Indeed even the very obscure, but extremely pious Coptic Orthodox Church (Oriental Orthodox) of which I am very fond has been receiving converts. And the numbers have increased since the pandemic. I’ve seen more baptisms in the past two years than in the prior eight years since my own conversion in 2014 (indeed I feel glad that I converted before the rush). I myself was a disaffected Protestant - I had resigned from the UCC when it became evident that the efforts of the small community of conservatives trying to save the denomination from itself would be unsuccessful, I was estranged from the United Methodist Church where I had been baptized as a result of praise and worship music having replaced the traditional hymns, and my friend who was among the last conservative Episcopalian priests in my area retired - I spent a year attending his church while I figured out where to go, and so for me, the answer was Orthodox, and I was a fairly typical convert of the time, coming from a very liturgical, high-church background. At the time most of our converts tended to be disaffected Anglicans, to the extent that those who joined the Antiochian Orthodox Church, which is one of the more accessible Eastern Orthodox jurisdictions for those who speak English, and also one of the most friendly, began jokingly calling themselves “Angliochians.” (There is also a Western Rite Vicarate in the Antiochian church, and also one in ROCOR, both of which worship according to traditional Western liturgical rites rather than the Eastern liturgical tradition, which is not that different really, and many people prefer it, but I happen to like both traditional Western and Byzantine liturgy so its something I support).

However, lately the “Angliochian” stereotype has not been the case - our converts are increasingly from a low church, evangelical background, many of them being conservative members of denominations that recently became much more liberal, such as the United Methodist Church. I suspect that much of the appeal of Orthodoxy is that aside from the antiquity and the beauty of our worship, we also are extremely averse to change, so the thought of any of the issues you are suffering with propagating to the Orthodox church is literally inconceivable, and there are multiple independent jurisdictions in Orthodoxy, such as the Orthodox Church in America, the aforementioned Antiochians, and ROCOR, the Greeks, the Serbs, the Romanians, the Bulgarians and so on, and so on, and so if one jurisdiction did do the unthinkable, the others would simply do the Orthodox equivalent of disfellowshipping from it, and it would cease to be regarded as a canonical Orthodox church (but that being said, members of it would not be shunned; that kind of behavior one sees with the J/Ws and certain other extreme groups, is very rare among churches that claim to be Christian; I think only the Old Order Mennonites and Amish and certain other groups such as the controversial 9Marks psuedo-denomination practice anything like that.

Furthermore, from what I hear, it is not just the Orthodox who have benefited from this, but indeed, other traditional liturgical churches such as the confessional Lutherans, continuing Anglicans, and before Pope Francis and his bishops decided to begin actively persecuting them, the Traditional Latin Mass communities in the Roman Catholic Church, which nonetheless still exist (they experienced a boom in popularity after restrictions on celebrating the old liturgy were lifted by Pope Benedict XVI, and in my experience the TLM communities tend to be extremely well-attended.

Also this increase in the popularity of what could be called “traditional liturgical Christianity” is more substantial among the younger generations, and the reproductive rate is particularly high among these groups, as we are talking about Christians who reject abortion, and in most cases reject birth control, and who in the case of the Orthodox, in many cases in addition to converts also have a substantial population from the “Old Country” which is experiencing persecution, either due to the military dictatorships of the former Soviet Union on the one hand, or to a more severe extent, from Islamic fundamentalism encroaching on Orthodox Christian communities in the Middle East, which have become increasingly embattled. As a result, Orthodox Christians, particularly those from the Middle East, tend to like to have large families. But this high reproductive rate also exists among the confessional Protestant groups I mentioned (Lutheran and Anglican) and among the Traditional Latin Mass Catholics.
 
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did look into the Presbyterian Church of America when I decided to leave the UMC, they seem to be a more traditional Calvinist denomination. One other that I became aware of more recently, which seems to be more traditional than the PCA, is the Orthodox Presbyterian Church.

The main problem with the PCA and the OPC is that traditional worship is becoming increasingly rare within them, and since the OP expressed frustration with performance-style worship of the sort that predominates at non-denominational churches, he might find those denominations to be hit-or-miss.
 
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While I'm not a Calvinist, I can sympathize with watching your denomination fall apart due to liberalization, as I did with the UMC.

That was how the UMC started ordaining women. First it was a few individual cases where a small locality would ordain one, then they were allowed to be deaconesses, then local ministers, then full ministers, then bishops.

That's where a lot of Methodists are today. Ultimately I was pushed out by a combination of moving to a place where the local church was more liberal than I've encountered anywhere else and a conviction that unity has to exist on a broader level than the local church.

Not contradicting you, but why do you think this is? From what I've seen, it's a mixed bag. I myself went to the Orthodox Church, I know of others who have gone to Orthodoxy or Catholicism or to a smaller but more traditional Protestant denomination, and on the other end of the scale I know people who have almost stopped going to church altogether and just watch an online service on their TV.

I'm concerned as well about the growth of non-denominationalism, and this is a valid criticism of it. My own take, from having attended these services in various locations, is that they just don't place much (if any) importance on doctrine and are much more focused on providing a comfortable and engaging emotional experience. And sadly, I think there are a lot of people today who are looking for that kind of thing.

Well, Orthodoxy doesn't have any of that ;)

I did look into the Presbyterian Church of America when I decided to leave the UMC, they seem to be a more traditional Calvinist denomination. One other that I became aware of more recently, which seems to be more traditional than the PCA, is the Orthodox Presbyterian Church. I don't know if you'd include those in the "complete mess" of Presbyterianism, but I spent months doing a survey of denominations when I wanted to find a more traditional one, and the smaller, more fragmented ones really seem to be the only places anything traditional survives in Protestantism. My assessment was also that it was a complete mess.
I am looking into the OPC

I like what I see :)
 
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Not sure the best place to put this post, so I will put it here ...

I have noticed that in the past 10 years or so, many reformed denominations have suffered declines in membership, controversy, and scandal.

The "New Calvinists" seemed to be a big thing 15 years ago, and it was exciting. But while many of their proponents were solid in their theology, some embraced trendy political movements (identity politics, partisanship, academic irrationalism, etc. [Matt Chandler, etc].), and others damaged their reputations through their actions (Mark Driscoll, etc.). The movement seemed to lack organization and coherence, and doesn't seem to be moving forward.

The Southern Baptist Convention has lost millions of members in the last 10 years. The Presbyterian Church is a complete mess, and hundreds of their churches have closed.

My denomination, the EFCA has also seen some issues and controversies. After the Floyd riots, churches in Minnesota embraced far-left politics and engaged in all kinds of activism that turned off members. While the denomination does not *technically* allow female pastors, a couple EFCA churches in California have ordained women under the pretense that the rule only applies to lead-pastors. A couple EFCA pastors have been kicked out of the denomination for objecting to various activities and rules. One wrote a book about his experience. While my particular church has been consistent and solid, I worry abut where all of this is going. I go to church to worship, not involve myself in social activism.

I would assume that many of the people who leave these denominations end up in non-denominational, independent churches

so is this the future? A fragmented and chaotic collection of non-denominational churches in the US? How is one to even know what a church believes, and what its policies are, aside from some general statements on a website? This creates confusion among believers?

As for myself, I am pretty close to being a five-point Calvinist who is pretty traditional in my approach (took a long time to get here). What church can I even go to that doesn't involve itself in trendy left-wing politics, non-Biblical beliefs (women pastors, etc.), partisan politics (for any party), and which doesn't think worship is a feel-good rock concert?

Even as a non-Calvinist, Premill, Historical Christian, I'm asking the same things. However, from my vantage point, the way things are going is the way in which I biblically expect them to be going. So, I'm not surprised by the changes in demographics and politics these last 100 years.
 
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Even as a non-Calvinist, Premill, Historical Christian, I'm asking the same things. However, from my vantage point, the way things are going are the way in which I biblically expect them to be going. So, I'm not surprised by the changes in demographics and politics these last 100 years.

That doesn’t mean one should accept these changes. We need to do everything in our power to resist and furthermore to seek to reverse the damage that has been done to so many of our churches.

If we take a defeatist view that this is an inevitable and unstoppable apostasy, I believe that taking such a view risks more people becoming victims of the Apostasy, so if we are in the End Times (and we are always approaching the end even if we are not in that epoch as of yet), we still have a responsibility to ensure that the true faith is preserved among as many people as possible and for as long as possible.
 
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That doesn’t mean one should accept these changes. We need to do everything in our power to resist and furthermore to seek to reverse the damage that has been done to so many of our churches.
Right. I didn't say we should accept the onset of moral decrepitude or extreme liberal theology. Of course we can voice our misgivings about these trends, but personally, I don't think there will we spiritual recovery until the Lord returns.
If we take a defeatist view that this is an inevitable and unstoppable apostasy, I believe that taking such a view risks more people becoming victims of the Apostasy, so if we are in the End Times (and we are always approaching the end even if we are not in that epoch as of yet), we still have a responsibility to ensure that the true faith is preserved among as many people as possible and for as long as possible.

I'm not taking a "defeatist" view. I'm taking a Premill fulfillment view. I'm not any more a "defeatist" in my own culture and time than 1st -3rd century Christians were while living in the Roman empire. I'm simply stating what I consider to be interpretive matters of [apparent] fact.
 
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Not sure the best place to put this post, so I will put it here ...

I have noticed that in the past 10 years or so, many reformed denominations have suffered declines in membership, controversy, and scandal.

The "New Calvinists" seemed to be a big thing 15 years ago, and it was exciting. But while many of their proponents were solid in their theology, some embraced trendy political movements (identity politics, partisanship, academic irrationalism, etc. [Matt Chandler, etc].), and others damaged their reputations through their actions (Mark Driscoll, etc.). The movement seemed to lack organization and coherence, and doesn't seem to be moving forward.

The Southern Baptist Convention has lost millions of members in the last 10 years. The Presbyterian Church is a complete mess, and hundreds of their churches have closed.

My denomination, the EFCA has also seen some issues and controversies. After the Floyd riots, churches in Minnesota embraced far-left politics and engaged in all kinds of activism that turned off members. While the denomination does not *technically* allow female pastors, a couple EFCA churches in California have ordained women under the pretense that the rule only applies to lead-pastors. A couple EFCA pastors have been kicked out of the denomination for objecting to various activities and rules. One wrote a book about his experience. While my particular church has been consistent and solid, I worry abut where all of this is going. I go to church to worship, not involve myself in social activism.

I would assume that many of the people who leave these denominations end up in non-denominational, independent churches

so is this the future? A fragmented and chaotic collection of non-denominational churches in the US? How is one to even know what a church believes, and what its policies are, aside from some general statements on a website? This creates confusion among believers?

As for myself, I am pretty close to being a five-point Calvinist who is pretty traditional in my approach (took a long time to get here). What church can I even go to that doesn't involve itself in trendy left-wing politics, non-Biblical beliefs (women pastors, etc.), partisan politics (for any party), and which doesn't think worship is a feel-good rock concert?
It is not just independent/Charismatic churches growing. The Assembly of God denomination for instance is far from that and it is growing. Pentecostals: How Do They Keep Growing While Other Groups Are Declining?
I know some nations have the Foursquare Gospel church growing the most. I think the Church of God (Cleveland TN) is growing as well, though likely overseas more than the USA. I believe that these churches are more mission focused. There is some amazing growth in parts of Asia and Africa. It would be interesting to see each denominations percentage spend for missions. I imagine it is a positive correlate to growth.

You are right though that some churches, mostly Pentecostal/Charismatic do entertain). We can pray too the next awakening/renewal/revival (whatever it may be) will lift and unify all believers and cause an increase.
 
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It is not just independent/Charismatic churches growing. The Assembly of God denomination for instance is far from that and it is growing. Pentecostals: How Do They Keep Growing While Other Groups Are Declining?
I know some nations have the Foursquare Gospel church growing the most. I think the Church of God (Cleveland TN) is growing as well, though likely overseas more than the USA. I believe that these churches are more mission focused. There is some amazing growth in parts of Asia and Africa. It would be interesting to see each denominations percentage spend for missions. I imagine it is a positive correlate to growth.

You are right though that some churches, mostly Pentecostal/Charismatic do entertain). We can pray too the next awakening/renewal/revival (whatever it may be) will lift and unify all believers and cause an increase.
some entertainment is just fine. I love Christian rock, and would go to a festival

but it shouldn't be the focus of worship and service
 
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You are right though that some churches, mostly Pentecostal/Charismatic do entertain). We can pray too the next awakening/renewal/revival (whatever it may be) will lift and unify all believers and cause an increase.

The Orthodox Church, which is not cessationist but which rather posesses all true charisms, and other Eastern Christians such as the Assyrian Church of the East and the Melkite, Maronite, Chaldean and other Eastern Catholics will never accept Pentecostal or Charismatic worship or reject our current worship, which is not only scriptural but the prayers of the largest concentration of Christian martyrs over the ages (since most people killed by Muslims, such as the Copts, Armenians, Assyrians, Serbians, Pontic Greeks, Antiochians, Bulgarians, Cypriots, Romanians, and many others) and by Communists (Ukrainian victims of the Holodympr, Russian victims of the Stalinist purges, Belarussians, Georgians, Armenians, Romanians, Bulgarians, the once numerous Orthodox Christians in China and Korea, and roughly half of the Albanian Christians persecuted during the extremist Atheist regime of Enver Hoxha) are Eastern Christians who have received the glorious crowns of martyrs and confessors and who in their lifetime on Earth did pray our liturgy, and we will never change our worship as that would be a betrayal of them.

Likewise Western Christian martyrs such as the Lutherans and Catholics of the Baltic States, Poland, Czechia and East Germany are such that I would not expect the confessional and traditional elements of those churches, as represented by my stalwart friends @MarkRohfrietsch and @chevyontheriver , would want to accept Charismatic or Pentecostal worship, for the same reason.

Given the historic diversity of Christian liturgy, and the fact that this has never troubled most of the liturgical churches, who are mostly multi-rite (for example, there are Byzantine Rite Catholics and Lutherans), the idea of smashing all of that so as to unify everyone in some sort of Pentecostal revival is a profoundly sad thought and is not something I expect would in any way reflect the eternal worship of God in Heaven, where even the angels are of nine distinct choirs.
 
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When you say The Presbyterian Church, there is not ONE Presbyterian Church, but many.

There's the PCUSA (largest and liberal)
PCA (second largest and conservative)
Orthodox Presbyterian Church
Evangelical Presbyterian Church

among others
 
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Surely there are PCA churches with traditional worship. In your area, it looks like Covenant Presbyterian does.
Indeed. Many Presbyterian Churches are liturgical and follow the Book of Common Worship.
 
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@Merrill Can I suggest The Orthodox Presbyterian Church? They are rather small in number, but probably fit your description and follow Calvinist/Reformed theology the best.
 
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@Merrill Can I suggest The Orthodox Presbyterian Church? They are rather small in number, but probably fit your description and follow Calvinist/Reformed theology the best.

I think the RPCNA, with its a capella exclusive Psalmody (which characterized early Calvinism due to the strict adherence to the Regulative Principle of Worship) actually is more authentically Reformed Calvinist in terms of worship as it was practiced by the Presbyterians (and also the Puritans and the early Baptists) in the 16th-19th centuries. It was under the influence of Calvinist Methodism, Pietism, and Scoto-Catholicism or Mercersburg Theology (These movements today are kept up by the Reformed Catholic movement) that the current liturgical Presbyterianism with its hymns and beautiful Gothic churches and choirs and the use of liturgical colors, etc, emerged, in both the US and the British Empire.

But before the Calvinist Methodist connexions and the Reformed Catholics of the Mercersburg and Scoto-Catholic movements appeared, and also, I should add, liturgical cross-polination both in the New World as the result of revivals wherein the former Puritans were refined into the admirable Congregationalists with the preaching of the likes of Jonathan Edwards, and in the process, without giving up their Calvinism, began to slowly embrace liturgical trends of the Methodists and Moravians. And in the Old World, furthermore, the Calvinists were increasingly united with Lutheran Church, resulting in a departure from the Regulative Principle of Worship, for example, in Prussia, where the Calvinist nobility had to deal with a Lutheran majority among their subjects as the Kingdom of Prussia rapidly expanded across a variety of historic German and Slavic lands ranging from parts of Lower Saxony to Mecklenburg, West Pomerania, East Pomerania, and right across modern day Poland to Old Prussia. The one common attribute of the Northern German people was Protestantism, primarily Lutheranism, but the Kingdom of Prussia was officially Calvinist, and as such, the Prussian church had to adapt its worship to accommodate Lutheran principles (meanwhile, due to the influence of Pietism, which unfortunately spelt the end for Lutheran Orthodoxy in much of Europe, the Lutherans of Prussia became largely detached from dogmatic considerations, particularly in the East and in areas where they interacted with Moravians and various Slavic reformed churches as well as the Unitarians of Romania and Transylvania.

However, what we now think of as traditional Protestant worship in the most generic liturgy is dominated by the influence of the simpler forms of Lutheran liturgy, specifically the vernacular Lutheran mass, in which the simple four part harmony known as the Chorale, to which the Calvinists merely set psalms, was combined with doctrinally instructive lyrics by Martin Luther, forming the basis of traditional Protestant hymnody, which like the ancient antiphonal hymns of Orthodoxy, which were later introduced into the Western church by St. Ambrose of Milan at a vigil in 386 AD (prior to that time, the Roman church and other Latin churches chanted mainly from the Psalter and mainly in actual monotone, which survives even today in the Roman Catholic, Anglican and Church Slavonic Orthodox liturgies, but which was used exclusively in the Low Mass until the 9th century, when instead it became said quietly or even whispered (and accompanied by an organ in France, which is why France has so much particularly good organ music - most Catholics historically favored, and only ever received communion, at low masses, for at the Solemn Mass only the Priest would partake of the Eucharist, and low masses constituted the majority of masses due to the lack of concelebration, and in France the custom was, when possible, to accompany a low mass with the organ, a distinctly French custom. But at any rate, the idea of a theological hymn which is doctrinally expositional originated in the antiphonal hymnody of the Greek and Syriac churches (St. Ephrem the Syrian was one of the first prolific hymn writers), and St. Ambrose of Milan popularized it in Western Europe, being the first prolific Latin hymn-writer, who also co-wrote Te Deum Laudamus, one of the most beloved canticles in East and West with St. Augustine of Hippo, and much loved for its creedal qualities both by myself and my friend @MarkRohfrietsch .

But unfortunately, while these hymns remained accessible in the East due to the continued vernacular translation of the liturgy, and indeed, were sung congregationally among both the Russians, with Znamenny Chant, and the Prostopinije hymns of the Ruthenian and Lemko people of Central Europe (also historically known as “Red Russians” or Carpatho-Rusyns, in the West, a decrease in Latin literacy and fluency led to these being inaccessible except for choirs, and thus it was Martin Luther who reintroduced to the Western church vernacular and congregational singing of liturgical and didactic hymns that served the purpose of theological (and indeed, musical) instruction. However, initially this was not a part of Calvinist or Anglican worship, and only slowly entered therein, but its adoption by Anglicans and Presbyterians was greatly accelerated by the Methodist movement of John Wesley and its connections to the Moravians, who not only used Lutheran Chorales but wrote many of their own (with some influence, I have heard, from the aforementioned Carpatho Rusyn prostopinje and other Slavonic hymnography, which makes sense, since the Moravians originated among the Czech people who had historically worshipped in Slavonic before the Austrian conquest of Prague in the 12th century). Likewise, among Continental Reformed Christians, the “shotgun marriage” of Lutheranism and Calvinism not only in Prussia, but also in the Netherlands, where there was a Lutheran minority, and in certain Lutheran countries with a Calvinist minority, resulted in the introduction of Lutheran style hymnody.

This process eventually led to most Protestant churches discarding A Capella Exclusive Psalmody, and only a few, such as the more conservative parts of the Stone Campbell movement, retained a capella music (which I like - I am a fan of A Capella music, but unlike some Orthodox Christians, I also love organ music), and a few others, such as the RPCNA, retained A Capella Exclusive Psalmody, although I have to confess I don’t understand the rationale for it.

Specifically, the verse cited in support of it, using the Regulative Principle of worship, is St. Paul exhorting the Ephesians and Colossians to sing Psalms, Hymns and Spiritual Songs, but that seems to, at a minimum, if read literally, allow for the singing of the many other hymns and canticles, such as the three Evangelical Canticles in the Gospel According to St. Luke, or the Song of the Three Children, or the Hymn of Habakuk, or the Songs of the Suffering Servant, located throughout Scripture, and it was the practice of the early church to sing these, from the beginning, in addition to intoning the Scirpture Lessons when read, particularly the Gospel (a practice inherited from the Jews, who chant the Old Testament using a system called Cantillation). So I personally do not agree with the Regulative Principle of Worship, and there are many aspects of early Calvinist, Congregationalist and Baptist worship I dislike, but much of it is nonetheless interesting and beautiful, and at least one can rest assured that an RPCNA church is never going to crank up the electric guitars and drum kits and make the experience of worship like attending a second-rate rock concert. I could go on to write at length about why Christian Rock music is itself an aberration, but that is beyond the scope of this post or this thread - the point of providing this detailed historical post is to explain why the RPCNA (and the Scottish Covenanting Presbyterians with whom they are associated) represents the most authentically Calvinist worship experience of any remaining denomination that is at least reasonably widespread and accessible.

*Before the Revolutionary War nearly all American Protestants were members of the Congregationalist, Anglican/Methodist, Presbyterian, and Baptist churches, with a smaller number of Lutherans and Dutch Reformed, along with the much smaller Moravian church (the Unitas Fratrum, originally from the provinces of Moravia and Bohemia in modern day Czechia), where in the Southern states John Wesley had once lived and ministered in a Moravian colony, and also the Mennonite immigrants to Pennsylvania, and the Quakers, famously led by William Penn, but the latter group I regard as being not really on the same page as the Protestants, although there are Evangelical Quakers who are undeniably Christian.**

After the Revolution, the Anglicans became the Protestant Episcopal Church, the Methodists, who were nominally Anglican, became the Methodist Episcopal Church, and most unfortunately, a very large number of Congregationalist churches in Boston as well as certain other historic Congregationalist churches including the oldest surviving church building in the US, the Old Ship Church in Hingham, MA, along with Harvard, which was originally intended as a seminary for training Puritan clergy, were taken over by schismatic Unitarian heretics, who have since, in a great many cases since the merger with the Universalist Church, which was nominally Christian in a more conventional sense, become apostate, under the influence of the transcendentalist theology promoted by the likes of Ralph Waldo Emerson when he was a Unitarian minister. In this respect, they resemble the liberal Quakers who do not worship Christ and care only about “the Inner Light.”**

In the 19th century, we saw the emergence of additional denominations, such as various Restorationist churches including, most successfully, the Stone/Campbell movement with its focus on the weekly celebration of the Eucharist, and more controversial groups such as the Plymouth Brethren, particularly the Closed Brethren led by John Nelson Darby, who were extreme Calvinists and also under Darby became the birthplace of premillenial dispensationalism, and the still more controversial Adventists, and various other groups many of which, such as the Swedenborgians and Mormons, departed from Christian Orthodoxy (as well as some Adventists - outside of the SDA, and even among Sabbatarians, there are a number who reject the doctrine of the Trinity and adhere to Arianism, but within the SDA, thanks largely to Ellen G. White, the Trinity is part of their belief systems, which is why we have a number of SDA friends on ChristianForums). This was followed by the growth in the Holiness Churches, offshoots of Methodism, who kept the doctrine of Entire Sanctification found within John Wesley’s teachings but rejected his liturgical Anglicanism, and the New Thought movement and Spiritism, which mostly led to heretical sects like Christian Science, and from the Holiness Movement we also saw the emergence of another new movement, or pair of related movements, the Pentecostals and Charismatics, who account for a large chunk of the members on Christian Forums.

More recently, the Word of Faith movement seems to combine aspects of New Thought and Charismatic theology, and it is Nicene, but regrettably it tends to be associated with the Prosperity Gospel, with Joel Osteen a prominent exponent of that theological system, which I very strongly disagree with.

** The nature of Quakers makes me regard them as being akin to the Restorationists of the 19th century, except insofar as there are liberal Quakers who reject Christianity altogether, and I get the unpleasant impression these now account for a majority in the UK, but in pre-revolutionary America I expect most Quakers were at least nominally Christian.
 
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