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The Evening And The Morning

Discussion in 'Creationism' started by Debbie3832, Jun 19, 2019.

  1. Debbie3832

    Debbie3832 New Member

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    I can't seem to find info I'm looking for about why the Bible says the evening and the morning were the first day, and on until the seventh day when it says God rested why was each day labeled as the evening and the morning. Just as from the beginning when it is daytime on one side of the world it is nighttime on the other, so where the Bible says evening and morning then the morning and evening should have been the first day on the other side of the world.
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  2. bcbsr

    bcbsr Newbie

    Another way of reading Genesis 1 concerning the 7 days of creation. While we could take the "days" to be literally 24 hour days, but they could be "days" in the prophets time of reference. Genesis 1 is a vision. And so it must be, as there was no human around to actually see what was happening. Furthermore, God is being spoken of as in the third person (he) as opposed to the first person (I), as if someone were viewing the events happening and recording them, as opposed to God Himself directly telling us what was happening. This all lends itself to the idea that a prophet (Moses) is being given a vision by God, seven visions that lasted one day each.

    For example, Moses spent many days on Mount Sinai when God gave him the Law. What if God took a week during that time and revealed to him this vision. On the first day (Sunday), God shows Moses Gen 1:1-5. Then Moses goes to sleep and wakes up the next day (Monday) and God shows him Gen 1:6-8. Etc. If this is the case, that the creation days were a vision, then what the vision meant is subject to interpretation.

    Consequently that interpretation would easily resolve conflicts between science and creation.

    As for the meaning of the vision, note that the first three days about creating an environment, and the 2nd 3 days were about inhabiting the corresponding environment.

    1. Light 4. Sun, moon & stars
    2. Sky & Ocean 5. Birds & Fish
    3. Land 6. land Animals & Man
    7. Rest

    The opposing religions at the time were polytheistic. The believed that separate gods created different things. Here there is one God who create every particular thing. That could be one of the major points of Genesis 1.
  3. Halbhh

    Halbhh Everything You say is Life to me Supporter

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    Each of the six days in Genesis chapter 1 had an evening and a morning.

    Since the normal day/night cycle starts on the first day, we can expect that the sun is shining on the Earth, which is rotating. That the "light" on day 1 was the sun, implying cloudy skies also.

    The sun, moon and stars would not be visible through cloudiness, so we can expect in the vision the first 3 days were much like many days in England, cloudy and bright, but the sun unseen. Later, the sun, moon and stars would become visible for the first time on day 4.

    One of the key messages of the chapter to us is repeated 7 times -- that this home of ours is "good".

    Indeed, "very good", for our kind of life. Instead of merely a surface in a blank void, we have a beautiful, wonderful home, with pleasant vistas and amazing sights to look upon.

    The text is not about trivial things like how the sun shines, or how long passed during verse 1 before the moment in verse 2. Such numerical amounts of time would not matter a bit, compared to the profound messages in Genesis.
  4. R.J. Aldridge

    R.J. Aldridge New Member

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    While there may be a scientific explanation as to why the day is moving from evening to morning from the first day to the sixth day, The fact that the seventh day is excluded from that pattern tells me that it has less to do with the time of day and more to do with how God takes the creation from one state (a mixed state), to a new state (an ordered state). Because the roots of the Hebrew words for evening and morning basically mean "to mix" and "to divide", it almost carries the idea that God is bringing order out of disorder, bringing the creation from an evening state, where darkness hinders our view, to a morning state, where we more clearly distinguish between objects. The seventh day therefore is exempt from this pattern because the creation was complete at that point.
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  5. Sound Doctrine

    Sound Doctrine Endure Sound Doctrine Supporter

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    In the beginning the earth was dark, void, formless. Time had not yet been created. God created time in the form of 24-hour days starting with when He said, "Let there be light." The evening and the morning were the first day starting at that point, where the shekhinah glory of God shone on one side of the earth as the earth rotated, causing 12 hours of light, then of darkness. On the 4th day, God created the sun, moon, and stars, and the sun took over for the shekhinah glory to make the days on the earth. Although rotation of the earth is not mentioned here, there is no reason to doubt that it was happening. How old the earth was before God said, "Let there be light" is impossible to say, since time had not yet been created.
  6. imMD

    imMD New Member

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    Hi bcbsr,

    I always saw it as dictation.

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  7. Kerensa

    Kerensa Well-Known Member

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    Judaism traditionally counts the start of a day from sunset, rather than sunrise. That's why the Jewish Sabbath begins at sunset on what we would consider Friday and lasts until sunset the next day. They're counting the 24 hours from sunset to sunset as a day. So the first chapter of Genesis reflects that way of reckoning a day, starting from the evening — "the evening and the morning", up to the next evening, making a complete day.
  8. The Righterzpen

    The Righterzpen Jesus is my Shield in any Desert or Storm

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    I think @Sound Doctrine has hit on something as earth starting "in darkness" and God causes the light of His creative power to not be suppressed; and this is why "calendar days" as the Bible relays them, run sundown to sundown.

    Now at that point, we could fairly ask, was the earth rotating prior to the sun, moon and stars being created? That's a good question, because our current understanding of "keeping of time" relates to laws of physics as they bear force on the motion of planetary bodies in space. Yet if planetary bodies don't exist yet; we have not "evening and morning" ruled by currently understood laws of physics.

    Genesis does say that the sun and moon are placed to measure days, seasons and years. These were created on the 4th day; and so time as we understand it by bodies in the solar system that measure it; does not exist until the 4th day. How long were the first 3 days? Not sure; assuming they were 24 hours, but that may actually be immaterial.

    Now it's interesting and I'm sure has some spiritual meaning the the first 3 days, prior to "time keepers" is "3 days and 3 nights". (Where have we heard that before? 3 days and 3 nights in the heart of the earth has to do with the atonement.)

    Now look at the first 3 days of creation. We have a planetary body with evening / morning, an atmosphere and plant life on it - and that's it.

    Day 4 is consumed with creating solar systems.

    Day 5 is sea creatures and birds.

    Day 6 is the rest of the animal kingdom and man.

    Now I'm sure there's symbolism there related to redemption; but I'm not prepared to expound upon what that would be at this point.

    So, I don't know if that sheds some light on your question?
  9. eleos1954

    eleos1954 God is Love Supporter

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    1In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

    2Now the earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the surface of the waters.

    The First Day

    3And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4And seeing that the light was good, God separated the light from the darkness. 5God called the light “day,” and the darkness He called “night.”

    And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.

    Created light and revealed what He called/named them (and separated them) - light - day dark - night

    The Fourth Day

    14And God said, “Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to distinguish between the day and the night, and let them be signs to mark the seasons and days and years. 15And let them serve as lights in the expanse of the sky to shine upon the earth.” And it was so.

    16God made two great lights: the greater light to rule the day and the lesser light to rule the night. And He made the stars as well.

    17God set these lights in the expanse of the sky to shine upon the earth, 18to preside over the day and the night, and to separate the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good.

    19And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day.

    Created all the great lights and revealed they would be used as time measurement for us.

    So God creates and reveals on the fourth day, how what He created is measured and the other purposes of the lights.

    So that being the case .... and being reaffirmed .... "there was evening & morning on the whatever day being stated at the end of each creation day according to the time measurement He set forth re-affirms

    If the phrase evening & morning didn't appear in verses 1-3 (in relation to a day) there would be nothing "time-wise " for us to relate them to. ie we wouldn't know what a day is, we wouldn't know what night is and what their measurements are. Also, of quite importance, we would not know or understand His special day ... the Sabbath, the 7th day and therefore much everything else biblically would be a bunch of non-sense.

    So, to make sure we could understand, evening and morning appears after every creation day to "drive that point home"

    Yes, the Lord wanted us to know how much time it took for Him to create everything and it took 7 days (evening & morning) using the great lights created on day 4 as the measurement for it.

    so ... by the time we get to the 7th day .... we are very clear what a day is and signifies the last day of His creation work.

    1Thus the heavens and the earth were completed in all their vast array. 2And by the seventh day God had finished the work He had been doing; so on that day He rested from all His work.

    3Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because on that day He rested from all the work of creation that He had accomplished.

    God established what the general guideline of what a "day" is ... the specifics within that general guideline then came forth through man learning more details about the sun, moon, stars, etc but they are in fact based on the general guidelines as in (fourth day)

    Sunset to sunrise is a day to the Lord and it's doesn't matter where on earth one lives.
    He's not on a 24-hour clock ;o) In fact He's not on a clock at all.

    The short answer is:
    No matter where one lives in the world 7 sunsets to sunrise = 7 days

    Isaiah 55:8-9

    8 “For My thoughts are not your thoughts,
    Nor are your ways My ways,” says the Lord.
    9 “For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
    So are My ways higher than your ways,
    And My thoughts than your thoughts.