The EU will be the hardest thing to develop

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  1. Brian Mcnamee Well-Known Member

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    Hi I love the book of Jude who sees the LORD returning with 10,000's of his saints and quotes Enoch on this. The book of Zechariah ch 14 shows the LORD coming with the saints and at that time He is king over all the earth. The dead bodies in Zech 14 are when Jerusalem is taken and the LORD fights in that day. it is a day at night it will be light out. In that day the MY of Olives will Split in two and a new valley and river are formed. The river flows year round and the nations from this point on must keep the feast of Tabernacles or they get no rain. this is proof that these events are future. As Revelation 20 shows that when Satan is bound those who died in Christ will live again and reign with Him for 1000 years. When Satan is bound the nations are not deceived again until he is loosed and then once again they will be and he musters an army and surrounds Jerusalem and fore comes down from heaven and destroys them.
    You see the 2nd coming the city is taken at the end of the millennium it is only surrounded. These events are future and lining up to fall exactly as written.
     
  2. Francis Drake Returning adventurer.

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    You are right in saying the EU will not have ten kings. Scripture shows the EU will be just one of the final ten nation alliance. (See post 49).

    However the EU is the master key which once fully established, will be followed by the remaining 9 world regions.
    Take note that the EEC, or Common Market, the precursor to the EU, was initiated by the Treaty of Rome, and Rome was the last world power indicated on the massive image given in Nebuchadnezzar's dream. That last power is the one destroyed by the return of Christ.

    For those with eyes to see, the EU itself, and the Parliament buildings are awash with apocalyptical imagery related to the woman riding the beast, and the Tower of Babel, shown below!


    Even their own iconography boasts of the connection to the end times.
    The above poster represents the EU Parliament building at Strasbourg which was modelled on Peter Breugel's famous painting of the Tower of Babel. As can be seen, the Parliament building upper section is deliberately unfinished, as was the Tower of Babel.

    And here we have the "woman riding the beast" of Revelation, outside the EU Parliament.

    And yet another woman riding the beast outside the EU.

    Here's a 2 Euro coin. And stamp.
    The ECU, the European Currency Unit, precursor to the Euro.

    Thank God Britain is finally shaking off the power of the EU/Rome/Babylon. However, like all nations, there will come a time when we, like the USA, will be forced into one of the ten regions of the world that have already been designated by the UN.
    If this interests anyone, go do your own searches.
     
  3. seventysevens Well-Known Member

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    All of your rambling avoids the question asked of you

    Many scriptures state Jesus will return From Heaven with the saints and the angels and send satan into the pit then into the lake of fire
    Many authors of bible scripture state this same thing

    Has Jesus returned From Heaven back to earth Yes or No ?

    If you say yes then you need you to prove with evidence that Jesus has returned
    The book of the Revealing of Christ; in Jesus words says He will return

    That book was written well after 90 A.D. decades after the gospels were written
    It is absolute foolishness to try to use scripture that was written decades before Jesus saying he will return to use as evidence of His return

    This is just one of many reasons why preterism is a lie , that you believe
     
  4. seventysevens Well-Known Member

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    I downloaded a webpage that is almost the same thing and it gives the story of what is represented by the pictures and one of the statements is "It is a statue of the pagan goddess Europa riding a bull" The pagan god Zeus is the bull, the pagan goddess Europa is whom the nation Europe was named
     
  5. parousia70 I'm livin' in yesterday's tomorrow Supporter

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    Yes.
    Many times.

    You seek proof outside of scripture to demonstrate the truth of scriptue?
    How about we stick to scripture? Or does that Bother you?

    Acts 9:1-9 Jesus Returns
    Acts 7:56 Jesus Returns

    Both Verses Fulfill Acts 1:11

    Revelation 3:3 Jesus PROMISES his thiefs coming would befall 1st century peoples. Jesus cannot be wrong here.

    Revelation 2:20-23 Jesus again , PROMISES the First century people at Thyatira that He would come and KILL the prophetess Jezebel and Her Children and throw those of that LITERAL 1st century Congregation who comitted Adultry with her into the Great Tribulation. BIBLICAL FACT.

    Jesus MUST have done this EXACTLY as He said He would to THOSE 1st Century peoples, otherwise He is a False Prophet and our entire faith in Him is in Vain.

    Matthew 21:33-45. Jesus Christ, Chief Cornerstone & Lord of the Vineyard Came and destroyed the wicked Scribes and Priests of 1st Century Israel.

    Again, Jesus can not be wrong here.

    And then of course we have Jesus' infallible testimony in Matthew 18:20 which apparently you also do not believe to be literally true...
    20 For where two or three are gathered together in My name, I am there in the midst of them.”

    Rather, As attested to and Held by the overwhelming majority of Published Scholars throughout the History of Christendom, It was written in about 67 or 68 AD during the final years of the Neronic Persecution.

    As truthfully and correctly attested by the infallible Apsotle, It was written druing the Tribulation of Jesus Christ on the Day of the Lord (Revelation 1:9-10)

    Really? Why? Jesus can not lie, can He? Can you not trust His promises to be true?
    Should the People He gave the promises to not have trusted Him?

    Is that your position?

    If so, I say THAT is the utter foolsihness here.
     
  6. seventysevens Well-Known Member

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    YOU CANNOT UNDERSTAND BASICS
    Elementary fundamental entry level basics you fail miserably
    We are talking about the 2nd Advent when Jesus reigns

    You ignore this fact as you cannot understand what Jesus will do when He returns As King of Kings !!


    Example if you have left home on 12/8/1967 on a trip(compared to Jesus acsending into heaven) and then today 12/8/2017(compared to Book of Revelation Jesus saying He will come quickly) you tell people that you will be returning home but there are things that need to been completed before you return


    Entry level basic math of a 3rd grade level is -your return date will have to be sometime AFTER 12/8/2017 because that is the day that you write a letter telling people that you will be returning after you complete what you are involved in

    Can you not see the absolute foolishness if someone says that you will return on a day in 1967 ?
    Which is 50 years before the day you write a letter saying you will return after you complete some things you are involved in ?

    you really can't understand this simple thing ?



    The VERY LAST CHAPTER of the VERY LAST Book of the Bible is when Jesus says He WILL as in FUTURE TENSE return after some things are complete which are not yet complete as of today

    You choose to go back in time 50 years BEFORE the last time Jesus said He would return looking for evidence that he has returned -- This is absolute foolishness !!!!
     
  7. parousia70 I'm livin' in yesterday's tomorrow Supporter

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    Again, if you do not trust Jesus to Do WHAT he says He will do WHEN He says he would do it, then friend, you are the one practicing foolishness, not me.

    That You can not refute a single point I made should be ample evidence for our readers as to who's position has the weight of scripture behind it.

    There is only one coming of Christ as a thief prophesied in Scripture, and in Revelation 3:3 The Glorified Jesus from Heaven promises, yes PROMISES that event would befall the FIRST CENTURY PEOPLES at the Church of Sardis.

    Jesus MUST BE RIGHT, and therefore Futurism must be wrong on the timing of the Thief's coming.
     
  8. seventysevens Well-Known Member

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    Dude you are either drunk on alcohol and high on drugs as there is something seriously wrong with your reading and comprehension skill
    For Christ To come as a thief in the night in the 1st century is lunacy as he was a baby born in the first century . God told Mary she was carrying the savoir of the world in her belly
    I can easily refute your nonsense but you first need to be cognitive and able to comprehend what is written , be it in scripture or on a computer screen

    The story of Gods Word is to tell us that one day Jesus will reign as KING over the peoples of earth

    6 year old children understand this better than you do
    If you showed at least some comprehension skill I would show scripture of Your errors
    But you cannot grasp the fact that there is no evidence of Jesus returning from heaven simply because it has not happened yet , your level of reason is nothing short of bizarre

    I FULLY TRUST JESUS
    IT IS YOU THAT IS NOT TO BE TRUSTED!
     
  9. seventysevens Well-Known Member

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    Act1 7
    7 And the men who journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice but seeing no one

    Jesus was speaking from heaven , He was not on earth when he spoke to Paul in Acts 1-7
    Acts 7:56
    56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.

    Again Jesus is in heaven NOT on earth


    Acts 1:11
    1 who also said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven.”

    12 Then they returned to Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is near Jerusalem, a Sabbath day’s journey.

    Jesus RETURNS TO EARTH

    Zech14
    And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives,
    Which faces Jerusalem on the east.
    And the Mount of Olives shall be split in two,
    From east to west,
    Making a very large valley;
    Half of the mountain shall move toward the north
    And half of it toward the south.


    I have tried to make it as simple as possible but it seems you are unable to understand

    when Jesus returns in the 2nd advent HIS GLORIOUS COMING ON THE CLOUDS

    HE WILL BE A REAL PHYSICAL BODY JESUS COMING TO EARTH , YOU WILL BE ABLE TO LOOK HIM IN THE EYE , SHAKE HIS HAND , WALK WITH HIM , EAT FOOD WITH HIM , PLAY BASKETBALL WITH HIM, EMBRACE HIM AND HIM YOU . YOU WILL MEET ALL THE OT SAINTS , IS THIS GETTING THROUGH TO YOU ?? ????????????????????????

    JESUS RETURN IS A REAL PHYSICAL BODILY RETURN -NOT AN ALLEGORY-

    HE WILL RETURN BODILY PHYSICALLY- WHEN HIS TIME TABLE IS DECIDED BY HIMSELF WHEN HE RETURNS ON HIS OWN TERMS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
  10. parousia70 I'm livin' in yesterday's tomorrow Supporter

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    Please address my position and do not attack or impune my person as per forum rules.
    I am otherwise enjoying this conversation so I don't want to be forced to report you for rule violations.

    He aslo Grew up, and Died, rose again and ascended into heaven in the first century Did he not? And He came and Crushed the Chief Scribes and Priests at Jeruslam's 1st Century Destruction in 70AD (Matthew 21:33-45) - Long after you claim He was a Baby so could not do any of that.

    Friend, Jesus Promised His thiefs coming would Befall the first century peoples at Sardis.
    THIS IS A BIBLICAL FACT:

    Revelation 3:3
    Remember therefore how you have received and heard; hold fast and repent. Therefore if you will not watch, I will come upon you as a thief, and you will not know what hour I will come upon you.


    Jesus MUST have come upon those people otherwise HE is a Liar and false prophet. That you can so flippantly dismiss this promise as being false, fake, of no consiquence is frankly shocking.
    I guess you believe we can simly rip Revelaton 3:3 out of our Bibles since you believe it is an untrue passage? That Jesus was issuing empty threats He had no intention of fulfilling?

    He already does!
    And Scripture PROVES IT!

    Matthew 28:18
    Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth."

    Mark 1:14-15
    Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

    1 Peter 3:21-22
    Jesus Christ, who is at the right hand of God, having gone into heaven, after angels and authorities and powers had been subjected to Him

    Revelation 1:5
    Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth

    Acts 2:30-36
    David...being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear. For David is not ascended into the heavens...Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

    1 Timothy 6:15-16
    [He] is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords; Who alone has immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see

    Scripture clearly says that Jesus is the King of Kings now over heaven and earth!

    I must point out to you, seventysevens, that you have a lot of views, but none can be found in the actual pages of scripture. And that should provide you with caution, I think. Read again the scriptures above. What do they say? They say Jesus is the reigning king over all heaven and earth now. He has taken the throne promised to David's son, according to Acts 2:30-36, and he reigns and does great things, like pour out his powers at Pentecost and bring judgment at AD 70 and judge the all the living and the dead. Was King David able to do any such things? No. But the Son of David is a Divine King. A God-King, ruling over Heaven and Earth RIGHT NOW.
     
  11. Ronald Exhortations

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    Did you ever consider the that the dragon with seven heads and ten horns is Islam, not the EU? Look up Put, Cush, Togarmah, Persia, Assyria, Meshec and Tubal, Ethiopia, Him at, etc. All modern day Islamic nations. It is likely that the three horns that were plucked were Sadaam, Mubarek, Qudhafi. Or if not Sadaam, then Asad very soon.
    The Middle East is on fire with nothing but Islamic countries surrounding Israel and these are the ones who will join forces and attack her. Not only that, but they are also anti-Christian as well
    You are right, this idea that the EU will become this revised Roman Empire is misguided - not enough time for that. The West won't attack Israel - I don't think ... could be wrong since scripture states all nations come against Israel in the end times. That would be believable post-rapture and the Restrained taken out of the way.
     
  12. seventysevens Well-Known Member

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    I have tried to make it as simple as possible but it seems you are unable to understand
    when Jesus returns in the 2nd advent HIS GLORIOUS COMING ON THE CLOUDS
    HE WILL BE A REAL PHYSICAL BODY JESUS COMING TO EARTH , YOU WILL BE ABLE TO LOOK HIM IN THE EYE , SHAKE HIS HAND , WALK WITH HIM , EAT FOOD WITH HIM , PLAY BASKETBALL WITH HIM, EMBRACE HIM AND HIM YOU . YOU WILL MEET ALL THE OT SAINTS , IS THIS GETTING THROUGH TO YOU ?? ????????????????????????


    Zech14
    And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives,
    Which faces Jerusalem on the east.
    And the Mount of Olives shall be split in two,
    From east to west,
    Making a very large valley;
    Half of the mountain shall move toward the north
    And half of it toward the south.



    What part of HIS FEET WILL stand on the Mount of Olives do you not understand??
    The same piece of land that Jesus stood on when he went up into heaven in Act 1

    You have made the decision that Jesus will not come to earth in a bodily form and reign on earth and walk on the surface of this planet
    therefore THAT is YOUR OBSTACLE not mine

    You present yourself as "thee know it all" , so it is expected of you to know it all
    Obviously there is an enormous amount of the bible you do not know or refuse to believe
    It is your own responsibility to read and learn and you have adopted a belief that refuses to accept that Jesus will return to earth in a Physical Body just as Thomas refused to believe that Jesus rose from the dead until he put his hand on Jesus body where the spear went through Jesus body when he was stabbed by the spear when he was on the cross

    The Book of the Revelation of Jesus THEE CHRIST , John received this vision from Jesus 50 years after the gospel accounts were written

    I could post 200 scriptures that backup what I say , but that will not convince you since you have committed yourself to believing Jesus will not come to earth ,

    It is YOUR responsibility to learn , not mine to prove anything to you
    The Book of the Revelation of Jesus THEE CHRIST says that Jesus will return to earth and also says that anyone who removes any scripture from that PROPHECY HE will remove that person from the book of life ......Go read it !
     
  13. fat wee robin Newbie

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    Well the E.U. is very wobbly now , England is gone , many countries are voting nationalist ,
    régions too . Germany is likely to vote out Merkel for her immigration policies , as are others .
    BUT am not in the predicting business,so !!!!!
     
  14. Douggg anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist

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    It is not until the rider on the red horse that peace is taken from the world. Therefore, the world must be in peace aforehand when the white horse rider has been given an crown.

    4 And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.

    In Order....

    Little horn becomes leader of the EU
    Gog/Magog takes place
    the feast on Gog's Army, Ezekiel 39:4
    Little horn anointed the King of Israel

    Confirming of the covenant
    Beginning of the 7 years, false messianic age
    Beginning peace and safety
    The transgression of desolation
    Triggering of the Day of the Lord
    peace taken from the world (rider on the red horse)
    The abomination of desolation set up
    Triggering the Great tribulation
    Nations drawn into the middle east, Daniel 11:40-44
    Ending with Armageddon
    Ezekiel 39:17-20 Armageddon feast.
     
  15. Douggg anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist

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    EU is wobbly, but what I think is going to trigger change to the format of the EU govenrnent will be banking crisis across the EU triggrered by the debt of the weaken nations - the EU is a perfect picture of the feet of iron mixed with clay.

    Also there is a big resentment in the EU over the Islamization taking place - that will, imo, lead to an anti-islam leader - the little horn.
     
  16. Francis Drake Returning adventurer.

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    The ten toes are about the NWO, UN based world government, not the EU.
    The EU is just the first of ten world regions that have already been planned.
    Until you expand your focus away from the EU, you will always be misled in your reading of end times prophecies.

    The prophetic nature of the EU is profoundly clear, as my previous post documents. But the EU is just the first of many and we will undoubtedly see many other prophetic displays around the other regions.
     
  17. AlexDTX Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Thanks for making that connection. The woman on the bull is Europa who was raped by Zeus in the Greek myth. I had realized the irony of such a symbol which plainly is saying that the globalists are raping Europe, but I did not connect it to the woman in Revelations.
     
  18. Douggg anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist

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    Britain is out of the EU? Nigel Farage no longer travels to Brussels?
     
  19. Douggg anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist

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    The fourth kingdom will have ten concurrently reigning kings. Separately, there are 7 sequential kings of that kingdom. Six are accounted for historically. One of the seven is yet to come, and when he comes, he must continue a short space. (Revelation 17:10)

    What are the six sequential historical kings of the United Nations - of which, the sixth was reigning at the time of John?
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    Revelation 13:

    1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

    2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

    How is it that those attributes relating to the first 3 kingdoms apply to the Kingdom of the Beast - if that Kingdom is the U.N.?

    The leopard, the bear, the lion - of Greek, Medes-Persian, Babylon kingdoms border around the Mediterranean Sea. The Mediterranean Sea is bordered by Europe, Asia, Africa.
     
  20. Francis Drake Returning adventurer.

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    I never said that.
    These are my words, "Thank God Britain is finally shaking off the power of the EU/Rome/Babylon."
    I imagine that Nigel Farage will continue attending the Brussels parliament until the very end.

    The biggest problem we have right now is that most Westminster politicians are doing their utmost to obstruct the will of the people. Thus the negotiations seem to be largely a capitulation of Mrs May to the will of the EU.
    As of yesterday, it looked like the EU would still exert control over us for maybe another 8 years.
    It took years of prayer to get that referendum result, we won't stop praying till the nation gets its freedom.