The ethics of voting for Donald Trump

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I’ll be the first to admit that president Donald Trump isn’t perfect. He said some mean things about undocumented immigrants, calling them drug-dealers, criminals, and rapists. He has a huge ego. And I certainly don’t approve of his extramarital affairs. But whatever Trump’s flaws, at least he gets one thing right: he is pro-life.

Abortion is arguably the number one issue of our time. According to the Wikipedia page called “Abortion statistics in the United States,” there have been 45.7 million abortions in the United States since Roe v. Wade. By comparison, 6 million Jews were killed in the Holocaust. This means that 7.5 times more babies have been murdered in the womb than Jews who were gassed by the Nazis. Let those numbers sink in for a moment.

The Bible consistently confirms that God believes life begins at conception. One example is Jeremiah 1:5, which says, “Before you were in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations.” Another example is Luke 1:41, which says, “When Elizabeth heard Mary’s greeting, the baby leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit.”

How is Trump against abortion? Here are some facts on the matter:

1. Trump has chosen many nominees who are against abortion, including Attorney General Jeff Sessions and Supreme Court Justice Neil Gorsuch.

2. Trump wants to completely ban abortion except for rape, incest, or when the life of the woman is in danger.

3. Trump showed support for a ban on abortion after 20 weeks of pregnancy. Just In: Brody File Exclusive: Donald Trump Comes Out In Support Of 20 Week Abortion Ban

4. Trump wants to appeal the Affordable Care Act, which provides people with health insurance coverage for abortion.

5. Trump would have preferred to shut down the government rather than fund Planned Parenthood, a prominent abortion racket.

6. Trump’s VP Pence said he wants to see Roe v. Wade on “the ash heap of history,” and he has a consistent record of defending life in the womb. Democratic National Convention, the final day: 'When there are no ceilings, the sky's the limit,' Clinton says - Los Angeles Times

Because abortion is arguably the Holocaust of our day, it is of the utmost importance that we Christians vote for pro-life political leaders. We all must take a principled stand against the notable genocide that is occurring in our country. Trump isn’t perfect, but at least he is pro-life. For that reason, I believe he is the most ethical candidate to vote for next year when the 2020 presidential election takes place.

I'm ok with Trump calling Illegal Immigrants names. Considering they're here illegally and breaking the Law! As well as, some of those are those things. I wonder what percentage of the drugs in America come from other Countries? I'm sure it's a pretty Large Number! And the drugs aint coming in "Legally" that's for sure!

He could definitely use more Humbleness, but hey, if you're ganna be an full of yourself, go big or go home! Can anyone that is logical, honestly say that most politicians higher up like at least in the house and senate aren't full of themselves at least some what? He's Humble when he needs to be, and that's thee most important part.

I definitely don't approve of his affairs.

Only if it would kill another human/ aka the Mother, is it justifiable. Other than that, any sort of Abortion, or killing of a Baby is Murder.
For that is thee only thing that would make logical as well as Moral sense.

Unfortunately, we live in a Society that has become so far to the left, and towards Socialism within America, that even a lot of Republicans think that for instance such as rape or incest, it's ok to have an Abortion. Thee Republican Party that I use to hear about, never use to think that way. Conservatism, and morality is thee last of a dying breed in America. People sticking to their core values, is thee last of a dying breed as well.
 
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While Bill Clinton would have been gone after for doing any of the same things before, with Trump you can look the other way because you like some things he has done.

Why are migrant children dying in U.S. custody?

Why are migrant children dying in US custody? Why should Christians be alright with this, when they support the one who lets this happen and have it continue?
 
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While Bill Clinton would have been gone after for doing any of the same things before, with Trump you can look the other way because you like some things he has done.

Why are migrant children dying in U.S. custody?

Why are migrant children dying in US custody? Why should Christians be alright with this, when they support the one who lets this happen and have it continue?
I don’t think they even know or understand what he’s actually done. They just like the casual way he talks and appeals to their fears, prejudices, and emotions. It strikes them as genuine because they’re naive to the kind of conman he is.
 
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I don’t think they even know or understand what he’s actually done. They just like the casual way he talks and appeals to their fears, prejudices, and emotions. It strikes them as genuine because they’re naive to the kind of conman he is.

...or perhaps we just need to realize that in order to be elected and to remain elected, a person running for office in the U.S. needs to tell the masses, or the majority within the masses, what they want to hear. And this can go both ways and manifest among both Democrats and Republicans.

The unfortunate thing is that what the plurality of majorities of this or that demographic niche would like to 'hear' isn't always what Jesus would like for them to hear.

Then again, if history serves us right, we know that this political phenomenon among the masses is nothing new and will keep repeating itself.
 
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While Bill Clinton would have been gone after for doing any of the same things before, with Trump you can look the other way because you like some things he has done.

Why are migrant children dying in U.S. custody?

Why are migrant children dying in US custody? Why should Christians be alright with this, when they support the one who lets this happen and have it continue?

Why doesn't the Liberal media talk about how Democrat Politicians don't help little girls that are coming over in the caravans of people that are getting put on birth control, because a lot of them get raped?

Why Do Democrat Politicians want open borders? That's simple, because they have no loyalty to Americans, and simply want illegal immigrant votes.

The Democrat Politicians constantly wine about that they win the popular vote. Thee only problem is, is that they're counting thee illegal votes, when they're not suppose to be.

Why does America have to take care of everyone else's problems?

A lot of these children that you see on the Liberal Fake News Media, usually already have diseases or infections, and are already on their last leg.

Keep in mind that most of these people are coming from countries where they don't get clean Food, Water, Shelter every day. They don't get 3 meals with snacks whenever they want. They don't have warm blankets and beds.

But they do here in America. They also have doctors caring for them. So more than likely, Liberal voters shouldn't be listening to people like AOC(Ms. Cortez), the crazy Socialist, and one of her friends that said in front of her own daughter that they're going to impeach the mfer.

I dunno about ya'll but I try to never cuss around children. Personally, I don't find it right.
 
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...or perhaps we just need to realize that in order to be elected and to remain elected, a person running for office in the U.S. needs to tell the masses, or the majority within the masses, what they want to hear. And this can go both ways and manifest among both Democrats and Republicans.

The unfortunate thing is that what the plurality of majorities of this or that demographic niche would like to 'hear' isn't always what Jesus would like for them to hear.

Then again, if history serves us right, we know that this political phenomenon among the masses is nothing new and will keep repeating itself.
Trump is an actual conman. It’s too generous to say he’s just a shrewd politician like the rest of them and he’s just more crude about it.
 
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This is often overlooked for convenience, which is why we will have nearly no chance of recognizing Antichrist or any other Beast.

The Antichrist, the Man of Lawlessness, will come to power with the enthusiastic support of very many Christian ministers and leaders.
 
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The Antichrist, the Man of Lawlessness, will come to power with the enthusiastic support of very many Christian ministers and leaders.

That microcosm going on now

Trump looks to cement, expand evangelical support with launch of new 2020 coalition

What it Would Take for Evangelicals to Turn on President Trump


This is a trial run, as it has always been throughout history, for the Antichrist and Beast (system). We have succeeded in failing in resisting every iteration of exploitation, ignorance and antipathy that comes with the Anthchrist and Beast (system) - even up to now.


Trump is an example of an icon for the choices we accept, make and justify. That way, when whatever happens to us happens to us (success, prosperity, failure or destruction) we will know why.
 
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I’ll be the first to admit that president Donald Trump isn’t perfect. He said some mean things about undocumented immigrants, calling them drug-dealers, criminals, and rapists. He has a huge ego. And I certainly don’t approve of his extramarital affairs. But whatever Trump’s flaws, at least he gets one thing right: he is pro-life.

Abortion is arguably the number one issue of our time. According to the Wikipedia page called “Abortion statistics in the United States,” there have been 45.7 million abortions in the United States since Roe v. Wade. By comparison, 6 million Jews were killed in the Holocaust. This means that 7.5 times more babies have been murdered in the womb than Jews who were gassed by the Nazis. Let those numbers sink in for a moment.

The Bible consistently confirms that God believes life begins at conception. One example is Jeremiah 1:5, which says, “Before you were in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations.” Another example is Luke 1:41, which says, “When Elizabeth heard Mary’s greeting, the baby leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit.”

How is Trump against abortion? Here are some facts on the matter:

1. Trump has chosen many nominees who are against abortion, including Attorney General Jeff Sessions and Supreme Court Justice Neil Gorsuch.

2. Trump wants to completely ban abortion except for rape, incest, or when the life of the woman is in danger.

3. Trump showed support for a ban on abortion after 20 weeks of pregnancy. Just In: Brody File Exclusive: Donald Trump Comes Out In Support Of 20 Week Abortion Ban

4. Trump wants to appeal the Affordable Care Act, which provides people with health insurance coverage for abortion.

5. Trump would have preferred to shut down the government rather than fund Planned Parenthood, a prominent abortion racket.

6. Trump’s VP Pence said he wants to see Roe v. Wade on “the ash heap of history,” and he has a consistent record of defending life in the womb. Democratic National Convention, the final day: 'When there are no ceilings, the sky's the limit,' Clinton says - Los Angeles Times

Because abortion is arguably the Holocaust of our day, it is of the utmost importance that we Christians vote for pro-life political leaders. We all must take a principled stand against the notable genocide that is occurring in our country. Trump isn’t perfect, but at least he is pro-life. For that reason, I believe he is the most ethical candidate to vote for next year when the 2020 presidential election takes place.


Trump isn't anti-abortion, he was pretty openly pro choice until he started to get into politics.

I have no reason to believe he's abandoned his pro choice beliefs, however given that he's a Republican President that relies on the evangelicals to stay in power, of course he's going to identify himself as "pro-life" and spew the usual rhetoric that crowd expects.
 
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If you feel that Trump is wrong on most issues but right on the abortion issue, then it's worth thinking about whether abortions can be reduced in any other way besides presidential action. If there are ways to reduce unplanned pregnancies, or to make it easier for moms to raise children when they do have unplanned pregnancies, then one option is to vote for a candidate who is good for the nation in most ways, and at the same time work on these other non-governmental avenues to reducing abortions.

For example, high quality sex education and easy and cheap access to contraception.

Places that have that have far lower rates of abortion than the United States.
 
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Trump isn't anti-abortion, he was pretty openly pro choice until he started to get into politics.

I have no reason to believe he's abandoned his pro choice beliefs, however given that he's a Republican President that relies on the evangelicals to stay in power, of course he's going to identify himself as "pro-life" and spew the usual rhetoric that crowd expects.

That's correct. Trump isn't pro-life, as I demonstrated in my previous post earlier in this thread. He supports killing an unborn child in cases of rape, incest, and if the pregnancy risks the mother's life.
 
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That's correct. Trump isn't pro-life, as I demonstrated in my previous post earlier in this thread. He supports killing an unborn child in cases of rape, incest, and if the pregnancy risks the mother's life.

And presumably if he knocked up one of his mistresses.
 
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And presumably if he knocked up one of his mistresses.

His personal attorney Michael Cohen who paid off the inappropriate content stars Trump cheated on his 3rd wife with also paid off a inappropriate content star a "pro-life" RNC official had adultery with, to get her to stay quiet about her abortion.

The pay offs to Trump's inappropriate content stars only became public bc he committed campaign finance law violations. I think Cohen has played janitor to way more of Trump's mess ups than what has become public.
 
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Trump isn't anti-abortion, he was pretty openly pro choice until he started to get into politics.

I have no reason to believe he's abandoned his pro choice beliefs, however given that he's a Republican President that relies on the evangelicals to stay in power, of course he's going to identify himself as "pro-life" and spew the usual rhetoric that crowd expects.

Like I said before, he probably doesn't really care that strongly one way or the other. He just says whatever is the most convenient to get him elected.
 
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Like I said before, he probably doesn't really care that strongly one way or the other. He just says whatever is the most convenient to get him elected.

My pastor once said that it was truly disconcerting how many of his fellow Evangelicals fell for Trump's deception and were so easily captivated by him. He said seeing this happen with many Christians gave him a better understanding of how easy it could be for even Christians to fall for the Antichrist.
 
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