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The Error of Lordship Salvation?

Discussion in 'Christian Philosophy & Ethics' started by Humble_Disciple, Jun 11, 2021.

  1. Oompa Loompa

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    I just wanted to jump back to this post because I think you overlooked a very important issue. You quoted gotquestions.org about grace salvation and admitted that if was a "one of your favorite resources". Yet the article you referenced specifically says this regarding Lordship Salvation:

    Do you agree with this statement and that the OP claim (that Lordship Salvation is heresy) is wrong?

     
  2. Humble_Disciple

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    Nowhere does Genesis indicate that Lot had a holy life, surrendered to God as Master of his life. And yet, according to 2 Peter 2:7, Lot was a righteous man.

    This is because Lot was declared righteous by his faith, rather than by works. (Romans 4:5) We can also look at the lives of King Solomon, King David, and numerous others in the Bible.

    In the words of Martin Luther, "Through faith in Christ, therefore, Christ’s righteousness becomes our righteousness and all that He has becomes ours; rather, He Himself becomes ours."

    While we should live a holier life than Lot did, it's not required for salvation. This is the difference between justification and sanctification, faith and discipleship, entering heaven and being rewarded in heaven.

    What is the purpose of there being rewards in heaven? | GotQuestions.org
     
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  3. d taylor

    d taylor Well-Known Member

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    Lordship salvation and other types of this approach to salvation.

    Appeal to humanity's sinful nature, in that they offer a person the false belief that a person can contribute to their salvation by doing something other that simple belief. It may be baptism, repentance from sin, obedience, commitment, following God's Law, opening the door, inviting Jesus into your heart, confessing Christ. bearing your cross, following Christ, denying yourself, the list can go on and on. Really whatever a charismatic personally decides is necessary and of course they will use the Bible to make their salvation legitimate
     
  4. Oompa Loompa

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    And scripture says that we will cast our crowns "rewards" at God's feet because true righteousness isn't motivated by the selfish ambition of eternal personal rewards. Our sole motivation for obedience is because God is God and we are His creation. Nothing more and nothing less. Jesus said "If you love me, you will follow my commandments." Therefore, obedience ought to be motivated by the love of our Lord. Not because we expect any reward for our efforts.
     
  5. Humble_Disciple

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    I agree. We should follow the Lord's commands out of love and gratitude, rather than fear of losing or never earning our salvation. As far as being rewarded for obedience, while it's not a condition of saving faith, it is promised throughout the New Testament.
     
  6. Clare73

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    It's no fruit = no evidence or assurance of salvation which is true. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
     
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  7. GraceInChrist

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    Being patronizing doesnt fix your bad teology. I wish you took your time and listen what others are trying to teach you.
     
  8. GraceInChrist

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    Then be baptize with your works of the law. Baptism gives us grace, it is a gift in which we are granted into his finish work. Nothing more. You sound very southern baptist tbh. This is was the only thing all the fathers of the church agreed upon.
     
  9. GraceInChrist

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    This is a verse about apostasy. Not about lordship.
     
  10. Clare73

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    Their false belief is not based on the teaching of the doctrine, but on their misunderstanding of the teaching of the doctrine. . .which misunderstanding has been explained here more than once.

    The "misunderstanding" seems to be deliberate, in an attempt to deny
    all the NT commands to pursue and grow in the holiness of faith (Hebrews 12:14).
     
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  11. d taylor

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    Actually it is not a verse it is a parable and it is about three types of believers, and an example of an unbeliever 1st soil.
     
  12. Clare73

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    "Gratitude" pales in comparison to the desire for "the likeness of his Son" (Romans 8:29;
    2 Corinthians 3:18) to fellowship with God in his Son (John 15:4).

    Can you say "holiness"? (Hebrews 12:14)
     
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  13. Clare73

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    Non-responsive to the Scriptures presented.
     
  14. Clare73

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    Non-responsive to the Scriptures presented.
     
  15. d taylor

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    Assurance of salvation rest in The Messiah and His promise. that anyone who believes in Him receives God's free gift of Eternal Life.

    Assurance does not rest in fruit production. If it did then assurance would be a product of a person and not God.
     
  16. d taylor

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    The teaching of Lordship salvation is flawed and flawed teaching births flawed beliefs.
     
  17. Clare73

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    Where does Scripture state this assurance is from God?

    And it's self-assurrance (you make) (2 Peter 1:10; Matthew 7:20)--not a guarantee or certainty--from the evidence of your obedience.
     
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  18. Clare73

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    Lordship salvation is based in the Scriptures I presented in post #62, and repeated in my quoted post in post #121.

    Feel free to show their "flawed teaching"
     
  19. Oompa Loompa

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    You still have not answered the question as to the eternal consequences of those professing to be "Christian" and deliberately refuse to accept the "gift" of water baptism. Remember, the thief on the cross wasn't baptized. The physical act of water baptism gives nothing to the one being baptized and there is nothing in scripture that suggests otherwise. We are baptized by water for two reasons: 1. Because Jesus himself was baptized. 2. Because he commanded us to baptize in the Great Comission. To even suggest that physical immersion is necessary for salvation is itself works based salvation and is on par with your accusations against Lordship Salvation.
     
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  20. d taylor

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    And Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst.

    All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out.

    And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”

    Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life.
     
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