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The Erroneous Christian Belliefs of Heaven and Hell

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by kayus, Feb 13, 2013.

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  1. kayus

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    This may raise eyebrows but the truth must be told.

    Do you know that no Christians or the heroes of faith are in heaven now? Even the ungodly are not yet in hell.This is not to say there is no heaven and hell.what I'm getting at is that it is after the resurrection of the dead will there be hell for those who are ungodly and the christian as well as heroes of faith inheriting the earth by reigning with Christ for a thousand years.

    The often quoted story of Lazarus and the rich man is has for long be wrongly interpreted and explained.

    Do you know Lazarus never went to heaven after he died neither did the rich man went to hell fire immediately?

    I know many of you will take a swipe at my statement but I can't but tell you the truth as it is contained in the Bible.

    No true christian will ever get to heaven but we will be changed if alive and the dead in Christ will rule with Christ in the kingdom of God starting in the Millennium.

    Take time to click through the link in my signature:wave: Wisdom for Living and read after death, what next?
     
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  2. LostMarbels

    LostMarbels All-Lives-Matter

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  3. ZoneChaos

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    Two questions:

    Is Linear Time a factor after death?

    And, where does Luke 23:43 fit into your belief?

    Myself, I do not think we go someplace and wait 10's, hundreds, or in some cases 1000's of years for the return of Christ, once we die...

    But I also believe that when we die, as Christians, we are with the Lord instantly... :)

    I guess my questions above point to that...
     
  4. SayaOtonashi

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    Technically sheol is hell for only unbelievers go there. It's not longer as both believers and non believer for Jesus went there to save and preach his word. People before believe in Jesus were both went in the place of Sheol. Now this is know as the present hell for non believer go to Sheol and than the final hell the lake of fire. So Sheol is the present hell." And until the final judegement they will be cast in the lake of fire.

    Hell, Sheol, Hades, Paradise, and the Grave | Berean Bible Society
     
  5. christ disciple

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    I agree,

    Absent from the body, present with the Lord.

    Where is the Lord?

    Of course, the body remains in the grave until the ressurection.
     
  6. hiscosmicgoldfish

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    if there is a heaven, then it is outside of time, so our time dosn't matter. i don't believe in a millennium. i think that is intertestimental garbage. there might be a hell, but if there is then it is unjust and immoral, and shouldn't exist.
     
  7. ZoneChaos

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    Why not, given the verses in Revelation that speak of it?

    how is is intertestamental if if is written about and comes after the intertestamental period?

    Why is it unjust and immoral.. by who's definition of justice and morality?

    Why not?
     
  8. revrobor

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    Paradise is not Heaven. It is the holding place for the righteous dead. Jesus will be there. Jesus is not just sitting at the right hand of God. That is a term of honor not necessarily a place. Hades is the holding place for the lost dead. Both are awaiting the judgments.
     
  9. miamited

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    Hi kayus,

    I'm just curious. Did you start this new thread because you didn't have an answer for my questions on the old?

    God bless you.
    In Christ, Ted
     
  10. miamited

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    Hi kayus,

    I'm just curious. Did you start this new thread because you didn't have an answer for my questions on the old?

    God bless you.
    In Christ, Ted
     
  11. CityOfGod

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    Why do you continue to create threads concerning heretical subjects.
     
  12. hiscosmicgoldfish

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    that's what i think. it's really something for the unorthodox, but this is what i think now, after years of study on the matter.
     
  13. TheyCallMeDave

    TheyCallMeDave At your service....

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    If there is no eternal Hell for punishment, then Jesus himself is the worlds biggest Liar and Fraud . Further, there is no ultimate justice for heinous crimes and no objective right from wrong since no act will be morally accounted for in the final analysis. Lastly, the many people who have come back to life who have witnessed some degree of afterlife have all been duped including millions of people whove had a terrifying post-death experience. Surgeons such as Dr. Charles Rawlings who actually tape recorded people dying and coming back to life again (several consecutive times with the same person) who have told of a very frightening experience while still fresh in their minds...was all make believe .

    No Sir...i believe that theres a better possibility that you just dont want Hell to exist and/or you dont think youre sins are bad enough to get you there. What do u think ?
     
  14. ORWildcat

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    I believe Revelation is an apocalyptic book and cannot be taken literal. 1,000 years is apocalyptic language for "forever" Christ cannot come to back to reign 1,000 years when he is already reigning here on earth. After Christ ascended to heaven He was placed at the right Hand Of God to rule over ALL things. Do you not think Christ was in on the destruction of Israel in A.D. 70? for Israel's rejection of the messiah? He warned them years before. What about the churches in asia minor who the Lord said to them that He would take away there lampstand s if they continued down the paths they were on in Revelation? Do you not think the Lord was behind judging those churches where to now those churches in ancient Asia Minor are now and have been for years islamic strongholds? Just because we still have evil in this world, doesn't mean the Lord isn't reigning from above, of course he is. Evil is now having its day, although the Lord does intervene, but it will not come to full fruition until when He returns. Jesus Christ is in full control of history. I think people really misconstrue Revelation by taking it literal. It's not literal, it's apocalyptical, just like the 7 year tribulation is. Just my beliefs and my opinions, and i am still learning. It has really set me free, though. I once did believe dispensationalism, but i have come to find out is left wanting. It leaves people with a false hope of rapture and always expecting Jesus to come back and rescue is and leaves people disappointed in the end. I believe the Lord will come back, but when He does there will be no Millenium, nor tribulation but then He will take the veil off of what is this present day earth and it will be a newly restored earth and we will have have bodies like his, minus divinity of course. This will all happen in a split second. Satan has already been judged, guys. He was defeated on the cross. No need for Christ to re-defeat him. These are all just my personal beliefs, btw.
     
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  15. LostMarbels

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    Man, when are you putting your version of the bible on the market? I'd like to check it out.
     
  16. ORWildcat

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    It's just my beliefs, didn't intend to mean it was dogma. Just what i believe. I don't expect everyone to agree with it.
     
  17. ZoneChaos

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    Based on what?

     
  18. hiscosmicgoldfish

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  19. xxxxxxtra

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    You are wrong again.. All of the saints that have gone before us are with the Lord.. Right up until Christ's resurrection they were in hades which is refered to the bossom of abraham.. Atleast the good side is.. Thecunsaved are still in haydes awaiting the great white throne judgment... Then they will be cast into hell.
    Honestly, you do know that salvation has nothing to do with what ypu know.. Right? I mean i have read a few of your threads and wow are you misguided.. I recommend that you take everything you hear or have been told and review it in light of scripture.. If you review what i told you. You will find in scripture the words, "to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord".. So where is the Lord? Sitting at the right hand of All Power..
     
  20. SayaOtonashi

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    Also Hell is shoel for it's nowthe present hell and the final hell will come.
     
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