The end of the Fossil Fuel era is upon us; what next-?

[tooldtocare]

70.5% of our energy sources are finite and will be consumed within your grandchild's lifetime

again; such is life -

 

[Goonie]

70.5% of our energy sources are finite and will be consumed within your grandchild's lifetime

again; such is life -

Actually 100% of energy sources are finite, just some are fare more finite than others. From our perspective of course the sun, water, wind are infinite.

 

[tooldtocare]

Actually 100% of energy sources are finite, just some are fare more finite than others. From our perspective of course the sun, water, wind are infinite.

I stand corrected. Thanks for that clarification -

 

[He is Risen 72]

The pie chart represents the percentage we get out of each type of fuel/energy source. The chart states that we/the world gets 48.9% of our energy from coal.

Within 40 or so years hydroelectric, solar and nuclear will be all that is left on that chart.

Such is life -

Natural gas is mostly methane and we can make that from the waste we produce. What happened to the wind? No more windmills? Geo thermal? Alcohol for auto fuel and bio diesel for trucks and trains. BTW there is enough coal to last 400 years

 

[tooldtocare]

Natural gas is mostly methane and we can make that from the waste we produce. What happened to the wind? No more windmills? Geo thermal? Alcohol for auto fuel and bio diesel for trucks and trains. BTW there is enough coal to last 400 years

Wow!! You just cleared the air for me, thanks.

Ethanol /ˈɛθənɒl/ (EtOH), also commonly called alcohol, ethyl alcohol, and drinking alcohol, is the principal type of alcoholfound in alcoholic beverages, produced by the fermentation of sugars by yeasts. It is a neurotoxic,[14][15] psychoactive drug, and one of the oldest recreational drugs. It can cause alcohol intoxication when consumed in sufficient quantity.

Ethanol is a volatile, flammable, colorless liquid with a slight chemical odor. It is used as an antiseptic, a solvent, a fuel, and due to its low freezing point, the active fluid in many alcohol thermometers. The molecule is a simple one, being an ethyl group linked to a hydroxyl group. Its structural formula, CH
3CH
2OH, is often abbreviated as C
2H
5OH, C
2H
6O or EtOH.

My doom and gloom days are over. Ethanol could replace the "heat" sources of energy that we now get from oil/gas.

I'm going to sleep good tonight.

Ethanol

 

[tooldtocare]

.,.,.,.,.Ethanol.,.,.,.,.,

A limitless source of energy​

I will drink to that.

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[ChristsSoldier115]

The end of the Fossil Fuel era is upon us so what are we going to do next-?
Energy information Administration Official Energy Statistics from the US government
http://www.eia.doe.gov/oiaf/forecasting.html

The above report indicates that the US will be using primarily oil as our main energy source through 2030.

The world's total declared reserves are 1,317,400,000,000 barrels (January 2007).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_reserves

World oil consumption 2005 is 80,290,000 barrels per day or 29,305,850,000 per year
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2174rank.html

Dividing annual consumption into total reserves gives us 44.9 years of oil supply at the current consumption rate.

That was eleven (11)years ago, we are not changing your habits and this spells doom for us all.

Do you have any suggestions--?

Libya will be an interesting place to watch.

• Libya’s current production rate is 1.8 million barrels of oil a day

• At that rate Libya will exhaust all its reserves within 63 years

• Existing oil fields undergoing a 7–8% decline rate

They have highways and freeways and use cars and trucks just like the rest of us do. But up until now gas was pretty much free. If there is going to be a drive to manufacture electric and hybrid cars for local consumption now is the time for Libya to use its cash reserves and invest in local production of the next generation power systems. At least in the US we have the cash and will to build a new future for America and the people are willing to do their part too. Anyway I hope people are trying to think this through? So far I have read some great posts from others in this forum and they have been great reading.

Thank you all for participating in this discussion—

Things will change in America in two ways

!) we finally run out of fossil fuels and we have no other choice
2) renewable/alternative energy because more profitable than fossil fuels.

its all about the moolah man. It has nothing to do with what benefits people. that is how change occurs in America

It is why we are like 5-10 years behind he rest of the world with internet connectivity because the big guys who control that find it more profitable to leave it as it is,

 

[OldWiseGuy]

The pie chart represents the percentage we get out of each type of fuel/energy source. The chart states that we/the world gets 48.9% of our energy from coal.

Within 40 or so years hydroelectric, solar and nuclear will be all that is left on that chart.

Such is life -

Thanks.

 

[curiouskay]

Got any more suggestions?

I believe the Mid Atlantic Ridge is a vast energy source that is worth looking into for a perpetual energy source.

 

[curiouskay]

Maybe its all over & or maybe not

There is an energy wall where the supper heated sea water is in constant contact with molten lava. With a temperature difference of 1303 degrees Fahrenheit

& this ridge runs on for about 1,000 miles.

Do you think this has potential?

Mid-Atlantic Ridge, submarine ridge lying along the north-south axis of the Atlantic Ocean; it occupies the central part of the basin between a series of flat abyssal plains that continue to the margins of the continental coasts. The Mid-Atlantic Ridge is in effect an immensely long mountain chain extending for about 10,000 miles (16,000 km) in a curving path from the Arctic Ocean to near the southern tip of Africa. The ridge is equidistant between the continents on either side

of it. The mountains forming the ridge reach a width of 1,000 miles. These mountains sometimes reach above sea level, thus forming the islands or island groups of the Azores, Ascension, St. Helena, and Tristan da Cunha, among others.

https://www.britannica.com/place/Mid-Atlantic-Ridge

Magma is a complex high-temperature fluid substance. Temperatures of most magmas are in the range 700 °C to 1300 °C (or 1300 °F to 2400 °F).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magma

Deep ocean water has a very uniform temperature, around 0-3 °C

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_ocean_water

The temperature difference at the spreading Mid Atlantic is

1303 degrees Fahrenheit

There is an energy wall where the supper heated sea water is in constant contact with molten lava. With a temperature difference of 1303 degrees Fahrenheit

& this ridge runs on for about 1,000 miles.

Do you think this has potential?

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[curiouskay]

As I see is, the trick is converting this huge temperature difference into electric power
Any ideas?

 

[pat34lee]

The end of the Fossil Fuel era is upon us so what are we going to do next-?

Running out of fossil fuels is one the least of our problems.

We will poison ourselves to death first from radiation, lead,
insecticides, plastics, GMO's, preservatives, fluoride, etc.
The mass poisoning of humanity: an exploration of human stupidity

We are killing off the fish and other animals we need for food.
Mass Animal Deaths 2017 - Updated List of Worldwide Die Offs

And the oil isn't going anywhere.
http://www.wnd.com/2008/02/45838/

 

[curiouskay]

Running out of fossil fuels is one the least of our problems.

I used to be as bleak about our future as you are. The following helped me climb out of that rat hole. Listen to this song; it might help

 

[chuckpeterson]

Renewable update---

Monaco—

Since 1994, the Government has been encouraging the use of clean energy vehicles in the Principality, in particular by granting purchasing subsidies. The Government wished to adapt the scale of subsidies to take account of the increased availability of hybrid versions, as this had led to the granting of subsidies to vehicles that cause too much pollution. With this in mind, the State took note of incentive schemes in operation in neighbouring countries, especially in France. It also demonstrated a more proactive policy, modifying these policies to suit the needs of Monaco – a step that continues to favour electric technology.

In this new scheme, subsidies for electric vehicles are still 30% of the purchase price including all taxes, with a ceiling of 9,000 Euros. There is a ceiling of 3,000 Euros for two-wheeled vehicles.

Electric vehicles also benefit from specific advantages, such as free recharging at the 574 charging points in public car parks, and at the fast and semi-fast charging points on public roads: at the lower end of Rue Grimaldi, on Place des Moulins and at 24 Avenue de Fontvieille (in front of the Single Buoy Mooring building). They also have their own special identification, "VE" (for véhicule électrique - electric vehicle), which offers free on-street parking in Monaco and a free annual sticker.
Subsidy scheme for electric and hybrid vehicles / Soft mobility / The Environment / Policy & Practice / Portail du Gouvernement - Monaco

Does our great leader, TRUMP know about this and\or does he even care-?

 

[Desk trauma]

Renewable update---

Monaco—

Since 1994, the Government has been encouraging the use of clean energy vehicles in the Principality, in particular by granting purchasing subsidies. The Government wished to adapt the scale of subsidies to take account of the increased availability of hybrid versions, as this had led to the granting of subsidies to vehicles that cause too much pollution. With this in mind, the State took note of incentive schemes in operation in neighbouring countries, especially in France. It also demonstrated a more proactive policy, modifying these policies to suit the needs of Monaco – a step that continues to favour electric technology.

In this new scheme, subsidies for electric vehicles are still 30% of the purchase price including all taxes, with a ceiling of 9,000 Euros. There is a ceiling of 3,000 Euros for two-wheeled vehicles.

Electric vehicles also benefit from specific advantages, such as free recharging at the 574 charging points in public car parks, and at the fast and semi-fast charging points on public roads: at the lower end of Rue Grimaldi, on Place des Moulins and at 24 Avenue de Fontvieille (in front of the Single Buoy Mooring building). They also have their own special identification, "VE" (for véhicule électrique - electric vehicle), which offers free on-street parking in Monaco and a free annual sticker.
Subsidy scheme for electric and hybrid vehicles / Soft mobility / The Environment / Policy & Practice / Portail du Gouvernement - Monaco

Does our great leader, TRUMP know about this and\or does he even care-?

In France switching to electric vehicles is actually switching to green energy as their grid is only 9% fossil fuel based with the great bulk of energy coming from nuclear power. In the US that is not the case. Switching to electric vehicles is switching to coal/natural gas powered cars. While coal and natural gas powered boilers have better energy to waste heat ratios then the internal combustion engine and the pollutants other then carbon can be better controlled they are still fossil fuels powered.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

In France switching to electric vehicles is actually switching to green energy as their grid is only 9% fossil fuel based with the great bulk of energy coming from nuclear power. In the US that is not the case. Switching to electric vehicles is switching to coal/natural gas powered cars. While coal and natural gas powered boilers have better energy to waste heat ratios then the internal combustion engine and the pollutants other then carbon can be better controlled they are still fossil fuels powered.

We should build more nuke power plants. However that doesn't solve the 'range' problem of electrics. America is a big country with states larger than some European countries. I think we should develop steam engines. They are a lot cleaner while still burning fossil fuels. Steam/hybrid would be a great system.

 

[Desk trauma]

We should build more nuke power plants.

Simply not going to happen. With the failure of the VC Summer project and the coming failure of Vogtle project (yes they just voted to keep throwing good money after bad but it's only a matter of time until everyone involved goes broke) nuclear power is a dead letter in this country. Older units are being taken off line and not being replaced as the economics simply do not support the current generation of technology. Why would a company build a nuclear reactor when they can build just as much generating capacity for 1/10 the cost?

However that doesn't solve the 'range' problem of electrics.

The advances in battery and recharging tech are chipping away at that with each generation of electric vehicles.

I think we should develop steam engines. They are a lot cleaner while still burning fossil fuels. Steam/hybrid would be a great system.

Any working models for cars and trucks you can point to?

 

[chuckpeterson]

I think we should develop steam engines. They are a lot cleaner while still burning fossil fuels. Steam/hybrid would be a great system.

You have to heat the water to turn it into steam and that heating process requires an energy source. What would that energy source be--?

Personally I vote for nuclear

 

[chuckpeterson]

The advances in battery and recharging tech are chipping away at that with each generation of electric vehicles.

I envision cars driving up to a re-changing station, a robotic arm reaches up and removes a battery that is under your car, that is about as wide as your car and half the length. Replaced the discharged battery with a recharged one. The process takes about three (3) minutes and then you are on your way with a charge that will last for about 200 miles before a recharge.

 

[chuckpeterson]

From our perspective of course the sun, water, wind are infinite.

And of course, geothermal