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Featured The end of "magic"

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by mcarans, Mar 20, 2019.

  1. mcarans

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    Dave-W Welcoming grandchild #7, Arturus Waggoner! Supporter

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    Disagree with the premise of the article.

    Neither God's nor the devil's powers have been diminished.
     
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  3. Hammster

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    More liberalism rearing its ugly head.

    Machen was right.
     
  4. Hammster

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    The only reason there are fewer miracles in the NT (assuming that’s true) is that the time frame is much shorter.
     
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    Ignorance of the Scriptures is the root of all error. J. C. Ryle

    I like that quote and it is so true, especially as you see it demonstrated on many of these threads. Thanks, Hammster, for standing side by side for the faith of the gospel!
     
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    Eusebius records a dimenishing of foreign miracles after Christ. In fact one of the accusations of the Roman pagans was that their gods ceased to function and give aid. Plutarch records the death of pan at this same time and writes his book on the cessation of oracle's. So there is something to be said about the restraining power of Christ in the areas where He is preached.

    The leperous hand was a 'sign act' showing a divine being has given authority to a person throughout the Ancient Near East. Most of the magic books were about controlling fates and dealing with evil spirits of malady like utukku lemnutu and Maglu. It was invoking other spirits to do a work invisibly for you rather than performing signs yourself. That these "Magicians" are able to perform such a sign act, shows that they were given an authority position just like Moses by the national powers of Egypt which they called gods. The acts done in Egypt were not just a witness to Egyptians, but to the powers in heavenly places over Egypt. Moses, Gods representative, was greater in the staff sign given among the Priests, the representatives of the powers over Egypt. In like manner the same supremacy is shown by God himself in the plagues against the powers over the nation of Egypt.
     
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  9. mcarans

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    To those who've disagreed with the premise of the article, I agree there are miracles in the New Testament. However, these are of a different scale to the Old Testament. We don't see or hear about things like God coming in a pillar of fire or the Nile being turned to blood ie. large easily verifiable miracles. I think that Christ's resurrection was meant to be the final spectacular sign and the OP expands on that idea.
     
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    All He did was that minor incarnation thing.

    :doh:
     
  11. Handmaid for Jesus

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    Lord Jesus performed many miracles (i guess they could be called magic) but even He was restricted by unbelief. Many times He related the success of His miracles to a person's faith that He could do the miracle. Today there is little faith in the supernatural. Today people are guided by logic, not faith. It is a sad stat that the supernatural Church is walking by sight instead of walking in faith.
     
  12. Dave-W

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    Very true. IMO that is even a bigger restraint in our day.
     
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  13. Dave-W

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    Written about someone intimately familiar with all of the OT miracles:

    Acts 19:11
    God was performing extraordinary miracles by the hands of Paul,
    And that was long after the resurrection. Not just miracles; EXTRAORDINARY miracles.
     
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    Perhaps we put too much emphasis on the miracle of signs and wonders when the greatest miracles of life are all around us everyday. Just be be alive and to be given such a wonderful world to enjoy. The Exodus account of those miracles or maybe judgements would be a better term are always amazing to read about, but the historical documentation is rather perplexing to when it actually occurred. Jacobs journey to Egypt begins around 1876 BC the Exodus around 1446 BC the commencement of Solomon’s temple 966 BC. That comes to 910yrs . Now there is a miracle within itself. 11 generations are mentioned within that time frame. 40yrs per generation =440yrs. And that’s a miracle I have yet to understand.
     
  15. mcarans

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    The extraordinary miracles in Acts 19 are healings.
    "God did extraordinary miracles through Paul, 12 so that when the handkerchiefs or aprons that had touched his skin were brought to the sick, their diseases left them, and the evil spirits came out of them."

    As mentioned, I'm talking about a change from large scale miracles like turning the Nile to blood or God in a pillar of fire in the OT to healings in the NT.
     
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    And after that?
     
  17. Hammster

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    For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God. - 2 Corinthians 5:21
     
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    Magic of the OT will be back soon. It's already here, and technical never left.
     
  19. Handmaid for Jesus

    Handmaid for Jesus You can't steal my joy Supporter

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    You just are not looking. Check out this pillar of cloud.
     
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    Thanks for bringing that up. I had almost forgotten about it. It also brings to mind 2 Thessalonians 2:6-7
     
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