The Divine Dilemma and its Solution in the Incarnation

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"We saw in the last chapter that, because death and corruption were
gaining ever firmer hold on them, the human race was in process of
destruction. Man, who was created in God's image and in his possession
of reason reflected the very Word Himself, was disappearing, and the
work of God was being undone. The law of death, which followed from the
Transgression, prevailed upon us, and from it there was no escape. The
thing that was happening was in truth both monstrous and unfitting. It
would, of course, have been unthinkable that God should go back upon
His word and that man, having transgressed, should not die; but it was
equally monstrous that beings which once had shared the nature of the
Word should perish and turn back again into non-existence through
corruption. It was unworthy of the goodness of God that creatures made
by Him should be brought to nothing through the deceit wrought upon man
by the devil; and it was supremely unfitting that the work of God in
mankind should disappear, either through their own negligence or
through the deceit of evil spirits. As, then, the creatures whom He had
created reasonable, like the Word, were in fact perishing, and such
noble works were on the road to ruin, what then was God, being Good, to
do? Was He to let corruption and death have their way with them? In
that case, what was the use of having made them in the beginning?
Surely it would have been better never to have been created at all
than, having been created, to be neglected and perish; and, besides
that, such indifference to the ruin of His own work before His very
eyes would argue not goodness in God but limitation, and that far more
than if He had never created men at all. It was impossible, therefore,
that God should leave man to be carried off by corruption, because it
would be unfitting and unworthy of Himself."

Forgive me...
 

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Skipping forward a bit...

"The Word perceived that corruption could not be got rid of
otherwise than through death; yet He Himself, as the Word, being
immortal and the Father's Son, was such as could not die. For this
reason, therefore, He assumed a body capable of death, in order that
it, through belonging to the Word Who is above all, might become in
dying a sufficient exchange for all, and, itself remaining
incorruptible through His indwelling, might thereafter put an end to
corruption for all others as well, by the grace of the resurrection. It
was by surrendering to death the body which He had taken, as an
offering and sacrifice free from every stain, that He forthwith
abolished death for His human brethren by the offering of the
equivalent. For naturally, since the Word of God was above all, when He
offered His own temple and bodily instrument as a substitute for the
life of all, He fulfilled in death all that was required. Naturally
also, through this union of the immortal Son of God with our human
nature, all men were clothed with incorruption in the promise of the
resurrection. For the solidarity of mankind is such that, by virtue of
the Word's indwelling in a single human body, the corruption which goes
with death has lost its power over all. You know how it is when some
great king enters a large city and dwells in one of its houses; because
of his dwelling in that single house, the whole city is honored, and
enemies and robbers cease to molest it. Even so is it with the King of
all; He has come into our country and dwelt in one body amidst the
many, and in consequence the designs of the enemy against mankind have
been foiled and the corruption of death, which formerly held them in
its power, has simply ceased to be. For the human race would have
perished utterly had not the Lord and Savior of all, the Son of God,
come among us to put an end to death."

Forgive me...
 
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Skipping forward a bit...

"The Word perceived that corruption could not be got rid of
otherwise than through death; yet He Himself, as the Word, being
immortal and the Father's Son, was such as could not die. For this
reason, therefore, He assumed a body capable of death, in order that
it, through belonging to the Word Who is above all, might become in
dying a sufficient exchange for all, and, itself remaining
incorruptible through His indwelling, might thereafter put an end to
corruption for all others as well, by the grace of the resurrection. It
was by surrendering to death the body which He had taken, as an
offering and sacrifice free from every stain, that He forthwith
abolished death for His human brethren by the offering of the
equivalent. For naturally, since the Word of God was above all, when He
offered His own temple and bodily instrument as a substitute for the
life of all, He fulfilled in death all that was required. Naturally
also, through this union of the immortal Son of God with our human
nature, all men were clothed with incorruption in the promise of the
resurrection. For the solidarity of mankind is such that, by virtue of
the Word's indwelling in a single human body, the corruption which goes
with death has lost its power over all. You know how it is when some
great king enters a large city and dwells in one of its houses; because
of his dwelling in that single house, the whole city is honored, and
enemies and robbers cease to molest it. Even so is it with the King of
all; He has come into our country and dwelt in one body amidst the
many, and in consequence the designs of the enemy against mankind have
been foiled and the corruption of death, which formerly held them in
its power, has simply ceased to be. For the human race would have
perished utterly had not the Lord and Savior of all, the Son of God,
come among us to put an end to death."

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For those who have come to HIM and humbly pled a need for access into HIS kingdom?

Remember me when you come into your kingdom?

I see Paul's words in that HE learned obedience by what HE suffered and once made perfect through suffering (because we suffer) HE became the source of salvation for all who obey HIM

I also see THE "TEMPLE" above made not by human hsndsbin your post regarding the KING who came and dwelt amongst us and opened THE WAY and the TRUE DOOR Unto that ETERNAL KINGDOM in by and through THE TRUE VEIL which is HIS BODY
 
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For those who have come to HIM and humbly pled a need for access into HIS kingdom?

Remember me when you come into your kingdom?

I see Paul's words in that HE learned obedience by what HE suffered and once made perfect through suffering (because we suffer) HE became the source of salvation for all who obey HIM

I also see THE "TEMPLE" above made not by human hsndsbin your post regarding the KING who came and dwelt amongst us and opened THE WAY and the TRUE DOOR Unto that ETERNAL KINGDOM in by and through THE TRUE VEIL which is HIS BODY

"...it was our sorry case that caused the Word to come down, our transgression that called out His
love for us, so that He made haste to help us and to appear among us. It is we who were the cause of His taking human form, and for our salvation that in His great love He was both born and manifested in a
human body."

Forgive me...
 
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"...it was our sorry case that caused the Word to come down, our transgression that called out His
love for us, so that He made haste to help us and to appear among us. It is we who were the cause of His taking human form, and for our salvation that in His great love He was both born and manifested in a
human body."

Forgive me...

So we told God what to do? We directed Christ's behavior? Really??
 
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No we didn't
But GOD already knew what we would do

And still..,knowing beforehand Adam/mankind/our fall....HE created us

But earlier you said, "it was our sorry case that caused the Word to come down, our transgression that called out His love for us, so that He made haste to help us and to appear among us. It is we who were the cause of His taking human form, and for our salvation that in His great love He was both born and manifested in a
human body."

We caused...we were the cause... That sure sounds that God was forced to do something.
 
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But earlier you said, "it was our sorry case that caused the Word to come down, our transgression that called out His love for us, so that He made haste to help us and to appear among us. It is we who were the cause of His taking human form, and for our salvation that in His great love He was both born and manifested in a
human body."

We caused...we were the cause... That sure sounds that God was forced to do something.
I actually think a church father said that and I don't disagree with his contemplation of the INCARNATION

Athanasius I think it was
 
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And you repeated it.
No I didn't repeat it. I never said it even once.

Sir
You had better go back to the original post of what you accused me of writing and correct your error
 
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Please review the below post:

"...it was our sorry case that caused the Word to come down, our transgression that called out His
love for us, so that He made haste to help us and to appear among us. It is we who were the cause of His taking human form, and for our salvation that in His great love He was both born and manifested in a
human body."

Forgive me...

But earlier you said, "it was our sorry case that caused the Word to come down, our transgression that called out His love for us, so that He made haste to help us and to appear among us. It is we who were the cause of His taking human form, and for our salvation that in His great love He was both born and manifested in a human body."

No I didn't
When you read the personal works of a Christian who is contemplating a TRUTH, you will get their emotion tied to their work

The author of this thread, orthodoxyUSA, is attaching the personal works of Athanasius

If you disagree with his work, that is fine.

But please don't accuse me to be the author of Athsnasius' work again
 
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It's okay... not everyone is going to grasp it the first time round.
One thing is for certain. Pescador has not read the book.
Let's give the time God gave us...

Forgive me...
 
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It's okay... not everyone is going to grasp it the first time round.
One thing is for certain. Pescador has not read the book.
Let's give the time God gave us...

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I haven't read it either but I can understand what athanasius is saying
 
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It's a short book by the way... sixty some odd pages.
Easy to read. Lot's to grasp.

It's a very important piece that shows how Christians of the second and third century had held to what had been handed down to them from the Apostles.

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It's a short book by the way... sixty some odd pages.
Easy to read. Lot's to grasp.

It's a very important piece that shows how Christians of the second and third century had held to what had been handed down to them from the Apostles.

Forgive me...
What is the title of the book...I am interested in reading his works/contemplations
 
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