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the disciple whom Jesus loved....

Discussion in 'Exposition & Bible Study' started by Wheeler, Jan 15, 2007.

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  1. Wheeler

    Wheeler Member

    There has been mystery about the identity of the unnamed disciple “whom Jesus loved” as found in the book of John. Here is a “theory” of who he is. Joseph is a type for the Messiah, Jesus….and Joseph very much loved his younger brother over the rest of his brothers…just as Jesus seemed to love or favor one of his disciples more than the others. Jesus revealed to the disciple “whom he loved” who the person was to betray Jesus, that is Judas. He seemed to have revealed this to the favored disciple first without letting the others know. In fact Peter nonverbally asked this disciple to ask Jesus who would betray him:

    John13:21 When Jesus had thus said, he was troubled in spirit, and testified, and said, Verily, verily, I say unto you, that one of you shall betray me.
    22 Then the disciples looked one on another, doubting of whom he spake.
    23 Now there was leaning on Jesus' bosom one of his disciples, whom Jesus loved.
    24 Simon Peter therefore beckoned to him, that he should ask who it should be of whom he spake.
    25 He then lying on Jesus' breast saith unto him, Lord, who is it?
    26 Jesus answered, He it is, to whom I shall give a sop, when I have dipped it. And when he had dipped the sop, he gave it to Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon.

    What is surprising when reading in Genesis is the first thing that Joseph said when he first saw Benjamin…..”God be gracious to you”.

    (Gen 43:29 KJV) And he lifted up his eyes, and saw his brother Benjamin, his mother's son, and said, Is this your younger brother, of whom ye spake unto me? And he said, God be gracious unto thee, my son.

    The name “John” means “God is gracious”! Therefore, it seems that the unnamed disciple whom Jesus loved is JOHN. Benjamim = John by the "code" phrase: "God is gracious". Jesus’ love for John seems to equal that of the love Joseph had for his younger brother. Joseph had the same mother as Benjamin who was Rachel. This is another clue that the 2 bible accounts parallel… Jesus declares the unnamed disciple the son of his mother:

    (John 19:26 KJV) When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son!
    27: Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home.

    Benjamin is a parallel to John. Rachel is a symbol for wisdom. The disciple whom Jesus loves took Jesus' mother to his own home.....wisdom comes to live in our homes. Wisdom cries out in the "chief places" or the high places (the seat of idolatry) where rulers over the body of Christ do not take heed to her:

    Proverbs 1: 20 Wisdom crieth without; she uttereth her voice in the streets:
    21 She crieth in the chief place of concourse, in the openings of the gates: in the city she uttereth her words, saying,
    22 How long, ye simple ones, will ye love simplicity? and the scorners delight in their scorning, and fools hate knowledge?

    Rachel also cries in "Ramah".....which means "high place"...she (wisdom) cries where the seat of idolatry is. She cries over her lack of children in the "land of the enemy" who don't heed her cry.

    Jeremiah 31:15 Thus saith the LORD; A voice was heard in Ramah, lamentation, and bitter weeping; Rahel weeping for her children refused to be comforted for her children, because they were not.
    16 Thus saith the LORD; Refrain thy voice from weeping, and thine eyes from tears: for thy work shall be rewarded, saith the LORD; and they shall come again from the land of the enemy.

    Jesus said that wisdom is "justified of her children":

    (Mat 11:19 KJV) The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children.

    Rachel's name in Hebrew is even an interesting clue to her being symbolic of wisdom. The three Hebrew letters of her name in order are:

    "Resh" – which means "beginning"
    "Chet" – which one of the meanings of is "fear"
    "Lamed" – which means "teach" or "study"

    What can be gleaned from this? That the FEAR of the Lord is the BEGINNING of WISDOM:

    (Psa 111:10 KJV) The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth for ever.

    And again....in Proverbs we are taught to hear the instruction of our God and not to forsake the law of our mother....WISDOM (Rachel).

    Proverbs1:7 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.
    8 My son, hear the instruction of thy father, and forsake not the law of thy mother:

    Only when Rachel (wisdom) brings all her Father's sheep with her will they be given water to drink from the wellspring of the Eternal:

    Genesis 29: 6 And he said unto them, Is he well? And they said, He is well: and, behold, Rachel his daughter cometh with the sheep.
    7 And he said, Lo, it is yet high day, neither is it time that the cattle should be gathered together: water ye the sheep, and go and feed them.
    8 And they said, We cannot, until all the flocks be gathered together, and till they roll the stone from the well's mouth; then we water the sheep.
    9 And while he yet spake with them, Rachel came with her father's sheep: for she kept them.

    Wisdom "keeps" the Father's children.

    Peter is the symbol of the church….and Jesus gave us an indication of the kind of death the church would suffer. One that would involve wolves entering into the church and not sparing the flock and people rising up within the church to lead people astray by what they teach. (Jesus told us to beware of false prophets in sheep’s clothing). They would dress us in their doctrines and lead us where we did not want to go….that is away from the Truth.

    (John 21:18 KJV) Verily, verily, I say unto thee, When thou wast young, thou girdedst thyself, and walkedst whither thou wouldest: but when thou shalt be old, thou shalt stretch forth thy hands, and another shall gird thee, and carry thee whither thou wouldest not.
    19 This spake he, signifying by what death he should glorify God. And when he had spoken this, he saith unto him, Follow me.

    Since Peter is the symbol of the church….he wondered what would happen to the disciple whom Jesus loved. If the church would go into the “second death”, what about those whom Jesus favors?

    (John 21:20 KJV) Then Peter, turning about, seeth the disciple whom Jesus loved following; which also leaned on his breast at supper, and said, Lord, which is he that betrayeth thee?
    21 Peter seeing him saith to Jesus, Lord, and what shall this man do?
    22 Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? follow thou me.

    It is indicated that there is/was a group of people who are protected from the influences of the "second death". It is interesting to note Benjamin's blessing in Deuteronomy...."Let the beloved of the Lord" = "the disciple whom Jesus loved" = those who have been protected in the Lord for His name's sake from the power of the enemy within the church.

    Deuteronomy 33: 12 About Benjamin he said: "Let the beloved of the LORD rest secure in him, for he shields him all day long, and the one the LORD loves rests between his shoulders."

    This is also illustrated in Revelation to the church of PHILADELPHIA. "Philadelphia = "brotherly love" or "the one who loves his brother" = Joseph's love for Benjamin = the disciple whom Jesus loved. Jesus tells the church of "brotherly love" that he will keep them from the hour of temptation by the enemy. It parallels the blessing of Benjamin that they will "rest secure" in the Lord for "he shields him all day long"......"the one the Lord loves rests between his shoulders."

    (Rev 3:10 KJV) Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

    The word "Philadelphia" is grammatically in the feminine gender. The reason it is used in the female gender is to illustrate that the church that Jesus loves or favors has wisdom....who is known as "she". As Jesus said on the cross to his mother and to the disciple whom he loved, "Behold, thy mother....Behold, thy son".

    It is evident that John is the disciple whom Jesus loves. Not only is the book named “John” in which he appeared (none of the other gospels have this), but Jesus also chose John to show the Revelation:

    Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to show unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

    John describes himself as the servant of Jesus Christ. Joseph told his brothers that the man whose hand the silver cup is found will be his servant which would be Benjamin.

    (Gen 44:17 KJV) And he said, God forbid that I should do so: but the man in whose hand the cup is found, he shall be my servant; and as for you, get you up in peace unto your father.

    "Benjamin" means "son of the right hand"....Jesus placed his right hand on John's head in Revelation:

    (Rev 1:17 KJV) And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:

    The people of Benjamin (son of the right hand) sounds the trumpet of wisdom in Ramah....the high places of idolatry and raises the battle cry in Beth Aven....the house of vanity...the house of unrighteousness. Wisdom cries out in the high places....Rachel crys in Ramah (the high places of idolatry).

    (Hosea 5:8 KJV) Blow ye the cornet in Gibeah, and the trumpet in Ramah: cry aloud at Bethaven, after thee, O Benjamin
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  2. Wheeler

    Wheeler Member

    2 John 1:1 The elder unto the elect lady and her children, whom I love in the truth; and not I only, but also all they that have known the truth;
    2 For the truth's sake, which dwelleth in us, and shall be with us for ever.

    Just as a side note....we find in JOHN 2 (John being parallel to Benjamin) the "elect lady" and her children....the "elect lady" is Wisdom and her children are those who know her and walk in the truth. Wisdom is the "principal thing"...she is the "elect lady" and her children exalt her and embrace her.

    Proverbs 4: 7 Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding.
    8 Exalt her, and she shall promote thee: she shall bring thee to honour, when thou dost embrace her.
    9 She shall give to thine head an ornament of grace: a crown of glory shall she deliver to thee.

    Wisdom cries out in the high places (Rachel cries in Ramah)...the seat of idolatry in the church:

    (Prov 9:3 KJV) She hath sent forth her maidens: she crieth upon the highest places of the city,

    ....where Folly has her seat:

    Proverbs 9:

    13 A foolish woman is clamorous: she is simple, and knoweth nothing.
    14 For she sitteth at the door of her house, on a seat in the high places of the city,
    15 To call passengers who go right on their ways:
    16 Whoso is simple, let him turn in hither: and as for him that wanteth understanding, she saith to him,
    17 Stolen waters are sweet, and bread eaten in secret is pleasant.
    18 But he knoweth not that the dead are there; and that her guests are in the depths of hell.

    Her guests are in the depths of "hell"....Sheol...the grave. The church is in a state of the "grave"...the "second death" because of the lack of wisdom. Babylon means "confusion"...there is a call to come out of "confusion"...Babylon is one of her names...she sits on a seat "in the high places of the city" (Babylon)...Satan's seat...she sits on a beast...in the "wilderness"...in the desert condition of the church:

    (Rev 17:3 KJV) So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.

    Satan's seat is within the "high places" of the church...as the church addressed to Pergamos
    which means "tower or fortified"...a tower is a high place.

    (Rev 2:13 KJV) I know thy works and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth.
  3. Beasley

    Beasley Senior Member

    Most of the scholars I know consider the disciple that Jesus loved to be John. He was the only one with enough gumption to be present when Christ was crucified and it was to him that Christ committed the care of Mary.
  4. Jerrysch

    Jerrysch Senior Veteran


    I wonder why you needed to consult the whole Bible when the meaning is in John's gospel?
  5. Jerrysch

    Jerrysch Senior Veteran


    Sadly you are drawing connections in the Scripture that do not exist. From the Biblical text, we cannot know who this elect woman was, we are not told, and when the Scripture is silent we are wise to be silent as well, don't you think?
  6. Proact

    Proact New Member

    John is the disciple that Jesus loved. He did not mentioned his name in his gospel out of humblness. However, he mentioned his name in Revelation as a credible witness to all what is coming, which apparently is soon.
  7. Jerrysch

    Jerrysch Senior Veteran


    Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh, you are sooooooooo right :thumbsup:
  8. Kristos

    Kristos Servant

    Eastern Orthodox
    I've never heard this is a mystery. It seems to be pretty much accepted.
  9. freespiritchurch

    freespiritchurch Visiting after long absence Supporter

    United States
    The identity of the "Beloved Disciple" isn't as clear as you might think. The best argument for John is church history--there are some very early attributions of the Gospel to the Apostle John. Personally, I think that the Beloved Disciple is Lazarus, since the "disciple" doesn't make an appearance until after Lazarus' return (and that would explain why people thought that he wasn't going to die).
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