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The Deception of The Book of Enoch

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reprove, rebuke and exhort is NOT the same thing as attack and accuse.
LOL!!!!!!!!I'm not attacking. If you knew me in person, you would know the difference. You and yeshuasavedme are just upset because I WON"T accept your false beliefs. I am rebuking you..which isn't a pleasant thing to receive, but the bible says to do it, and therefore I shall when I see false doctrine!!!

I don't care what you think about me, personally, Nana. I don't care about any accusation that you level against me. You are not going to bait me, satan.
Mat 7:6"Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs.If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces.Uh, didn't I just read on here from you something about attacking ^_^? Oh yeah, I posted it at the bottom. Gee, now I am Satan, a dog and a pig just because I refuse to believe your deception.
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The Holy Spirit doesn't attack, Nana. The Holy Spirit doesn't accuse either.
You are so funny!!! You have had it to easy in the "debate" department.
 
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LOL!!!!!!!!I'm not attacking. If you knew me in person, you would know the difference. You and yeshuasavedme are just upset because I WON"T accept your false beliefs. I am rebuking you..which isn't a pleasant thing to receive, but the bible says to do it, and therefore I shall when I see false doctrine!!!

Mat 7:6"Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs.If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces.Uh, didn't I just read on here from you something about attacking ^_^? Oh yeah, I posted it at the bottom. Gee, now I am Satan, a dog and a pig just because I refuse to believe your deception.

You are so funny!!! You have had it to easy in the "debate" department.

AW, gee whiz...you're sucking me in...

#1. You can believe whatever you want to believe. We aren't trying to convince you, we are correcting your errors you've committed in ignorance of the Word of God for anyone who reads this thread.

#2. Your "rebuke" is nothing but slander and accusations which is not of God. You don't even stay on topic in your slander and accusations.

#3. It gets to a point where it's pointless. That was the point I was making with this passage and it's applicability to this situation:

Mat 7:6"Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces.

DO you see? It is pointless to show you something valuable from the Word of God because you trample it down and then attack.
 
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I thought I was ^_^ I hadn't gotten into name calling lol!!!!
 
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I thought I was ^_^ I hadn't gotten into name calling lol!!!!

2Ti 2:14 Keep reminding them of these things. Warn them before God against quarreling about words; it is of no value, and only ruins those who listen.
2Ti 2:15 Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth.
2Ti 2:16 Avoid godless chatter, because those who indulge in it will become more and more ungodly.

(I guess you could say that I'm letting God do the talking from now on)
 
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2Ti 2:14 Keep reminding them of these things. Warn them before God against quarreling about words; it is of no value, and only ruins those who listen.
2Ti 2:15 Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth.
2Ti 2:16 Avoid godless chatter, because those who indulge in it will become more and more ungodly.

(I guess you could say that I'm letting God do the talking from now on)
I too, leave BigMouthNana to her heresies which she has been admonished with the corrections from the Word of God about, and will not heed.
the only reason I replied as long as I did in the face of her non-responses to the Scriptures I posted was for the same reason you listed, so that others who may read may see the Truth. I think anyone of any intelligence at all can check out the facts and see what the plain words of Scripture say that BigMouthNana refuses to believe -and even stated that she would not believe any amount of Scripture for her mind was made up and she believes herself above the Word that is written.

This is also for those who may read this: If BigMouth Nana cannot even read the Word of God and comprehend what is written, and posts so blatant contradictions with no reading comprehension, then she will never be able to read the posts which refute her with any comprehension either.
I leave with this, showing that she has flat out falsely accused Noah's father of being Cain's grandson, and applied to Noah's father all that Cain's grandson did -so it is hopeless for her, but others may take heed


Genesis 4
The Family of Cain
16 Then Cain went out from the presence of the Lord and wandered in the land, east of Eden.
17 And Cain knew his wife, and she conceived and bore Enoch. And he built a city, and called the name of the city after the name of his son--Enoch.
18 To Enoch was born Irad; and Irad begot Mehujael, and Mehujael begot Methushael, and Methushael begot Lamech.
19 Then Lamech took for himself two wives: the name of one was Adah, and the name of the second was Zillah.

20 And Adah bore Jabal. He was the father of those who dwell in tents and have livestock.
21 His brother's name was Jubal. He was the father of all those who play the harp and flute.
22 And as for Zillah, she also bore Tubal-Cain, an instructor of every craftsman in bronze and iron. And the sister of Tubal-Cain was Naamah.
23 Then Lamech said to his wives:
"Adah and Zillah, hear my voice; Wives of Lamech, listen to my speech! For I have killed a man for wounding me, Even a young man for hurting me.
24 If Cain shall be avenged sevenfold, Then Lamech seventy-sevenfold."


Genesis 5
The Family of Adam
(1 Chr. 1:1-4; Luke 3:36-38)5This is the book of the genealogy of Adam. In the day that God created man, He made him in the likeness of God. 2 He created them male and female, and blessed them and called them Mankind in the day they were created. 3 And Adam lived one hundred and thirty years, and begot a son in his own likeness, after his image, and named him Seth. 4
After he begot Seth, the days of Adam were eight hundred years; and he had sons and daughters. 5 So all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years; and he died.6 Seth lived one hundred and five years, and begot Enosh.
7 After he begot Enosh,
Seth lived eight hundred and seven years, and had sons and daughters. 8 So all the days of Seth were nine hundred and twelve years; and he died.
9 Enosh lived ninety years, and begot Cainan.
10 After he begot Cainan, Enosh lived eight hundred and fifteen years, and had sons and daughters. 11
So all the days of Enosh were nine hundred and five years; and he died.
12 Cainan lived seventy years, and begot Mahalalel.
13 After he begot Mahalalel, Cainan lived eight hundred and forty years, and had sons and daughters.
14 So all the days of Cainan were nine hundred and ten years; and he died.
15 Mahalalel lived sixty-five years, and begot Jared.
16 After he begot Jared, Mahalalel lived eight hundred and thirty years, and had sons and daughters.
17 So all the days of Mahalalel were eight hundred and ninety-five years; and he died.18 Jared lived one hundred and sixty-two years, and begot Enoch.
19 After he begot Enoch, Jared lived eight hundred years, and had sons and daughters. 20 So all the days of Jared were nine hundred and sixty-two years; and he died.
21 Enoch lived sixty-five years, and begot Methuselah.
22 After he begot Methuselah, Enoch walked with God three hundred years, and had sons and daughters.
23 So all the days of Enoch were three hundred and sixty-five years.
24 And Enoch walked with God; and he was not, for God took him.
25 Methuselah lived one hundred and eighty-seven years, and begot Lamech.
26 After he begot Lamech, Methuselah lived seven hundred and eighty-two years, and had sons and daughters.

27 So all the days of Methuselah were nine hundred and sixty-nine years; and he died.

28 Lamech lived one hundred and eighty-two years, and had a son.
29 And he called his name Noah, saying, "This one will comfort us concerning our work and the toil of our hands, because of the ground which the Lord has cursed."

30 After he begot Noah, Lamech lived five hundred and ninety-five years, and had sons and daughters.
31 So all the days of Lamech were seven hundred and seventy-seven years; and he died.

32 And Noah was five hundred years old, and Noah begot Shem, Ham, and Japheth.
Lamech died only 5 years before the flood, and he was not a wicked man, as Methusaleh also was not wicked and died only a week before the flood.
In Jasher, we are told that Noah was 5 years building the Ark, and so he commenced it at Lamech's death. IN Enoch we have a fragment of Noah, from which the quote of the angel telling Lamech to tell Noah it is now time to prepare.

Nana is also flat out telling falsehoods about the Book of 1 Enoch, which has been in the Ethiopian Coptic Bible from the beginning of the NT Church in Ethiopia. It has been included in their "Bible" for these two thousand years of NT Church in Ethiopia.
She has been informed of this fact, but she has flat out written false statements of her own making against that easily proven fact.
 
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AW, gee whiz...you're sucking me in...
Now why would I want to do that? I'm praying that this deception will be sucked OUT of you!!

#1. You can believe whatever you want to believe. We aren't trying to convince you, we are correcting your errors you've committed in ignorance of the Word of God for anyone who reads this thread.
Wrongo!! That is the problem that you and yeshuasavedme has. The bible is the ONLY book that we should believe. We are not to be "adding to" the bible with The Book of Enoch!! Read the back page of Revelation.

#2. Your "rebuke" is nothing but slander and accusations which is not of God. You don't even stay on topic in your slander and accusations.
Oh, I don't think so. I went above and beyond with the evil generations and what they were in to. You don't have comprehension evidently.

#3. It gets to a point where it's pointless. That was the point I was making with this passage and it's applicability to this situation:

Mat 7:6"Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces.
Oh my, you are further gone then I thought!!! There is only ONE sacred book..the bible!!!!

DO you see? It is pointless to show you something valuable from the Word of God because you trample it down and then attack.
Show me something valuable Jen. It isn't in the Book of Enoch..which I don't consider the Word of God. Just because it has some of the Word in it doesn't make it a viable book as it can very well be Satan inspired who knows the Word...probably better then we do.
 
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Now why would I want to do that? I'm praying that this deception will be sucked OUT of you!!

Wrongo!! That is the problem that you and yeshuasavedme has. The bible is the ONLY book that we should believe. We are not to be "adding to" the bible with The Book of Enoch!! Read the back page of Revelation.

And what's interesting about that the admonishment is not JUST about adding to the Bible but also about TAKING AWAY.

Enoch and others, including Jasher, which the Bible references and quotes, are not in our Bible. Why is that?

Rev 22:19And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and [from] the things which are written in this book.


Oh my, you are further gone then I thought!!! There is only ONE sacred book..the bible!!!!

Show me something valuable Jen. It isn't in the Book of Enoch..which I don't consider the Word of God. Just because it has some of the Word in it doesn't make it a viable book as it can very well be Satan inspired who knows the Word...probably better then we do.

Nana,

The Bible is a library. It is a collection of books and letters. There are several different Bible canons on the planet. The canon in Judaism does not contain the New Testament and they consider the New Testament letters as blasphemous heretical documents. We don't...but they do.
Does that mean that the New Testament is bad? no

Likewise, the Ethiopian Church which has the largest collection of books and letters in their Bible canon has had Enoch in it for centuries, if not millennia. But you say that Enoch is bad. Does that make it bad? no...especially when our Bible canon QUOTES Enoch. Jesus teaches truths found in Enoch. Enoch was found among the scriptures in the caves at Qumran as though it, itself, is scripture.

[One canon contains a book/letter called 4 Esdras. In the 4th chapter, it claims that there are 94 books and letters (I don't know if that's just the OT or the entire collection).] How many books and letters does your Bible canon contain? 66...{and 6 is a man's number, imperfect.}

So, don't you want to read ALL the scriptures that there ever were? I DO!

Who told you that there are only 66 books and that's all that is written?

In fact, Jesus defined the meaning of Scripture. He said it's the "Law, the Prophets, and the Psalms". So, anything beyond that, Nana, is technically, not Scripture.
 
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I too, leave BigMouthNana to her heresies which she has been admonished with the corrections from the Word of God about, and will not heed.
the only reason I replied as long as I did in the face of her non-responses to the Scriptures I posted was for the same reason you listed, so that others who may read may see the Truth. I think anyone of any intelligence at all can check out the facts and see what the plain words of Scripture say that BigMouthNana refuses to believe -and even stated that she would not believe any amount of Scripture for her mind was made up and she believes herself above the Word that is written.
If anyone with any intelligence reads this, has biblical knowledge, has the Sprit of Christ, they will see your warped belief.

This is also for those who may read this: If BigMouth Nana cannot even read the Word of God and comprehend what is written, and posts so blatant contradictions with no reading comprehension, then she will never be able to read the posts which refute her with any comprehension either.
I leave with this, showing that she has flat out falsely accused Noah's father of being Cain's grandson, and applied to Noah's father all that Cain's grandson did -so it is hopeless for her, but others may take heed
I would like to know where I stated this?


Lamech died only 5 years before the flood, and he was not a wicked man, as Methusaleh also was not wicked and died only a week before the flood.
In Jasher, we are told that Noah was 5 years building the Ark, and so he commenced it at Lamech's death. IN Enoch we have a fragment of Noah, from which the quote of the angel telling Lamech to tell Noah it is now time to prepare.

Nana is also flat out telling falsehoods about the Book of 1 Enoch, which has been in the Ethiopian Coptic Bible from the beginning of the NT Church in Ethiopia. It has been included in their "Bible" for these two thousand years of NT Church in Ethiopia.
She has been informed of this fact, but she has flat out written false statements of her own making against that easily proven fact.
You better do a study on Lamech...I did!!!! Once again folks, we have the book of Jasher and Enoch, and don't forget folks, that the book of Enoch was in a church in Ethiopia :doh: It wasn't included as part of the cannon of the Christian church or Hebrew.
 
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You better do a study on Lamech...I did!!!! Once again folks, we have the book of Jasher and Enoch, and don't forget folks, that the book of Enoch was in a church in Ethiopia :doh: It wasn't included as part of the cannon of the Christian church or Hebrew.

ENOCH IS QUOTED WORD FOR WORD IN THE TEXT OF YOUR BIBLE!!!















did you catch that?




















Enoch is quoted WORD FOR WORD in your BIBLE CANON!













DO YOU UNDERSTAND?















SOMEONE HAS REMOVED IT FROM YOUR BIBLE CANON.


Jud 1:14 Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men: “See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones
Jud 1:15to judge everyone, and to convict all the ungodly of all the ungodly acts they have done in the ungodly way, and of all the harsh words ungodly sinners have spoken against him.”



THAT is a DIRECT QUOTE. The words written in the Book of Enoch are written in your Bible canon. Just like Jesus quoted the OT and Paul quoted other books, Jude has quoted the Book of Enoch...and did so as though you're supposed to KNOW what he's talking about. Now, who is responsible for TAKING AWAY what has been written so that this book is no longer found in the Bible canon? Where is the outrage, Nana, that someone has taken away something that belongs in the Word of God?

Rev 22:19 And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.
 
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And what's interesting about that the admonishment is not JUST about adding to the Bible but also about TAKING AWAY.

Enoch and others, including Jasher, which the Bible references and quotes, are not in our Bible. Why is that?

Rev 22:19And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and [from] the things which are written in this book.
It totally amazes me that people like yourself and yeshuasavedme limit an all powerful God. You can't even believe that He could have done something about "those books" if they were supposed to be included in with the 66 other books of the bible. No, I guess God just wanted us all to be ignorant to every apect of His Word eh? Give me a break!! He created the heavens and everything in them. He created we people and our intricacies are marvelous and how they work...but yet, He wasn't intelligent enough to see that the books that were supposed to be in the bible are there :doh:

Nana,

The Bible is a library. It is a collection of books and letters. There are several different Bible canons on the planet. The canon in Judaism does not contain the New Testament and they consider the New Testament letters as blasphemous heretical documents. We don't...but they do.
Does that mean that the New Testament is bad? no
Jen, the end of my username may say "nana", but that doesn't mean that I am some old woman sitting in a rocking chair and having senior moments....yet anyway. I have been a Christian for almost 49 years now, and have been reading the bible in all of that time. You aren't talking to a "newbie" in the Lord, so you don't have to explain to me things that a child should know. You are like a lot of the younger generation who have the zeal, but haven't gotten to the meat yet, so therefore you let your head rule your Spirit...that is dangerous...which is evident. We aren't talking about the canon in Judaism. We are talking about the Book of Enoch. Off subject like you accused me of doing.

Likewise, the Ethiopian Church which has the largest collection of books and letters in their Bible canon has had Enoch in it for centuries, if not millennia. But you say that Enoch is bad. Does that make it bad? no...especially when our Bible canon QUOTES Enoch. Jesus teaches truths found in Enoch. Enoch was found among the scriptures in the caves at Qumran as though it, itself, is scripture.
It doesn't matter if the Book of Enoch has been in the Ethiopian collection of books since God first sat on the throne!! That doesn't make them acceptable by the church of Jesus NOW!! They weren't accepted, and they aren't accepted by most Christians NOW!! That should tell you something, it sure does me, but no, you hold on to this like the Book of Enoch is your lifeline...Jn 1:1 ~In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word WAS God (Jesus)......not some book supposedly written by Enoch. We have Gods word, the OT and the NT. Jesus fulfilled the OT. It's done until the rest of the prophacies are fulfilled. If God wanted us to have something else added, He would have seen to it that it was there!!! QUIT LIMITING GOD!!

One canon contains a book/letter called 4 Esdras. In the 4th chapter, it claims that there are 94 books and letters (I don't know if that's just the OT or the entire collection).] How many books and letters does your Bible canon contain? 66...{and 6 is a man's number, imperfect.}
Oh gee, where is Esdras, in between Enoch and Jasher:doh:? Here you go with the conspiracy theroies again. Just because we have 66 doesn't mean that it is a mans number in this instance and imperfect. How old are you??!!

So, don't you want to read ALL the scriptures that there ever were? I DO!
No, I sure don't, and you are headed in that direction now. The bible is sufficient for me and a lot of Christians. It tells me everything that I need to know. Evidently you aren't happy with just the bible since you are "wandering."

Who told you that there are only 66 books and that's all that is written?
Every bible that I have ever owned came with 66 books. Unlike you, I figure that God is smart enough to know which ones to include.

In fact, Jesus defined the meaning of Scripture. He said it's the "Law, the Prophets, and the Psalms". So, anything beyond that, Nana, is technically, not Scripture.
Yes He did, but we are NO LONGER under the law. That was because that is all that they had to go by back then...Lk 24:44-49 ~And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me. 45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, 46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: 47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. 48 And ye are witnesses of these things. 49 And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high...FULFILLED ALREADY.
 
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It totally amazes me that people like yourself and yeshuasavedme limit an all powerful God. You can't even believe that He could have done something about "those books" if they were supposed to be included in with the 66 other books of the bible. No, I guess God just wanted us all to be ignorant to every apect of His Word eh? Give me a break!! He created the heavens and everything in them. He created we people and our intricacies are marvelous and how they work...but yet, He wasn't intelligent enough to see that the books that were supposed to be in the bible are there

God did indeed "do something" about those books. How arrogant you are! They've never been removed from the Biblical canon in one part of the world. They were found among the Dead Sea Scrolls which alerted people to the fact that they do belong. It's quoted in your Bible canon, Nana. There are clues everywhere! It was removed from OUR canon.



Jen, the end of my username may say "nana", but that doesn't mean that I am some old woman sitting in a rocking chair and having senior moments....yet anyway. I have been a Christian for almost 49 years now, and have been reading the bible in all of that time. You aren't talking to a "newbie" in the Lord, so you don't have to explain to me things that a child should know. You are like a lot of the younger generation who have the zeal, but haven't gotten to the meat yet, so therefore you let your head rule your Spirit...that is dangerous...which is evident. We aren't talking about the canon in Judaism. We are talking about the Book of Enoch. Off subject like you accused me of doing.

I'm not talking about the canon in Judaism either...and age has nothing to do with anything. It's about spiritual maturity.

It doesn't matter if the Book of Enoch has been in the Ethiopian collection of books since God first sat on the throne!! That doesn't make them acceptable by the church of Jesus NOW!! They weren't accepted, and they aren't accepted by most Christians NOW!! That should tell you something, it sure does me, but no, you hold on to this like the Book of Enoch is your lifeline...Jn 1:1 ~In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word WAS God (Jesus)......not some book supposedly written by Enoch. We have Gods word, the OT and the NT. Jesus fulfilled the OT. It's done until the rest of the prophacies are fulfilled. If God wanted us to have something else added, He would have seen to it that it was there!!! QUIT LIMITING GOD!!

YOU are the one who is limiting God. God is giving us clues right and left of what books he wants us to have and study. It's quoted in your Bible, Nana! That's a HUGE clue! Someone has removed it from your canon!

It's almost like you are saying that if it's not in a Bible published in the USA, it's not true. Well, Nana, the true church, the body of believers is from every nation, people and language. God has led us back to books that belong.
Oh gee, where is Esdras, in between Enoch and Jasher? Here you go with the conspiracy theroies again. Just because we have 66 doesn't mean that it is a mans number in this instance and imperfect. How old are you??!!
Forget Esdras...you can't handle it right now.

What does it matter how old I am?

1Ti 4:12Don't let anyone look down on you because you are young, but set an example for the believers in speech, in life, in love, in faith and in purity.



No, I sure don't, and you are headed in that direction now. The bible is sufficient for me and a lot of Christians. It tells me everything that I need to know. Evidently you aren't happy with just the bible since you are "wandering."

Every bible that I have ever owned came with 66 books. Unlike you, I figure that God is smart enough to know which ones to include.


Yes, He is smart enough to know which ones to include. ENOCH IS IN YOUR BIBLE in the form of a quote in Jude! You have obviously not cared enough to study the Word and dig for His treasure to even NOTICE!



Yes He did, but we are NO LONGER under the law. That was because that is all that they had back then...Lk 24:44-49 ~And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me. 45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, 46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: 47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. 48 And ye are witnesses of these things. 49 And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high...FULFILLED ALREADY.

AND THAT HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYTHING THAT I SAID! :confused::doh:
 
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ENOCH IS QUOTED WORD FOR WORD IN THE TEXT OF YOUR BIBLE!!!















did you catch that?




















Enoch is quoted WORD FOR WORD in your BIBLE CANON!













DO YOU UNDERSTAND?















SOMEONE HAS REMOVED IT FROM YOUR BIBLE CANON.


Jud 1:14 Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men: “See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones
Jud 1:15to judge everyone, and to convict all the ungodly of all the ungodly acts they have done in the ungodly way, and of all the harsh words ungodly sinners have spoken against him.”



THAT is a DIRECT QUOTE. The words written in the Book of Enoch are written in your Bible canon. Just like Jesus quoted the OT and Paul quoted other books, Jude has quoted the Book of Enoch...and did so as though you're supposed to KNOW what he's talking about. Now, who is responsible for TAKING AWAY what has been written so that this book is no longer found in the Bible canon? Where is the outrage, Nana, that someone has taken away something that belongs in the Word of God?
Let's not cry Jen over Enoch not in our bibles ^_^. The only way that I would accept Enoch is if his book was in our bibles, and not just one prophecy. That way I would believe that God intended it to be there. He doesn't.

Rev 22:19 And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.
I am a little deaf in one ear, but I'm not blind!!! So what for the 100th time that Enoch is quoted in my bible. I've read it. He has one prophacy in the bible..Jude 1:14-15 ~And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.
Should we canonize Enoch just because he has one prophacy in Jude?
 
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Christians all over the world have the 66 books of the bible. Missing Enoch and others is not going to rob them of the gospel message. That is the most important thing..Jesus Christ and Him crucified, risen, and coming again. We don't need the book of Enoch telling us about His coming. It's all over our bibles.
 
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Christians all over the world have the 66 books of the bible. Missing Enoch and others is not going to rob them of the gospel message. That is the most important thing..Jesus Christ and Him crucified, risen, and coming again. We don't need the book of Enoch telling us about His coming. It's all over our bibles.


Certainly...I can agree with that. You should be just as concerned about what has been taken away from the canon as what may have been added!

I've said it before...Enoch is "meat" and not "milk" and many (including those who removed it) are unable to accept it because it speaks of heavenly things. It's too fantastic for most people because they are still on 'milk'.

Jhn 3:12I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe; how then will you believe if I speak of heavenly things?


Hbr 5:12 In fact, though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you the elementary truths of God's word all over again. You need milk, not solid food!
Hbr 5:13 Anyone who lives on milk, being still an infant, is not acquainted with the teaching about righteousness.
Hbr 5:14 But solid food is for the mature, who by constant use have trained themselves to distinguish good from evil.




1Pe 2:1 Therefore, rid yourselves of all malice and all deceit, hypocrisy, envy, and slander of every kind.
1Pe 2:2 Like newborn babies, crave pure spiritual milk, so that by it you may grow up in your salvation,
1Pe 2:3 now that you have tasted that the Lord is good.
 
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I've said it before...Enoch is "meat" and not "milk" and many (including those who removed it) are unable to accept it because it speaks of heavenly things. It's too fantastic for most people because they are still on 'milk'.
Greetings. I like to think I am on meat/solid-food but even I have to admit Enoch is just too fantastic for me. Give me another 20yrs on the 66 books we have now then I may give Enoch another look see. :)

Reve 19:20 and the wild-beast was taken, and with him the false-prophet who did the signs before him, in which he led astray those who did receive the mark of the beast, and those who did bow before his image; living they were Cast--the two--to the Lake of the fire, that is burning with brimstone;

Revelation 15:3 and They are singing the Song of-Moses, the bond-servant of the God, and the song of the Lamb-kin, saying, `Great and marvelous the works of Thee, Lord!, the God, the Almighty, just and true the ways of Thee, the king of the [*Ages/Saints] Nations

Exodus 15:1 Then sang Mosheh and the sons of Yisra'el this song unto YHWH, and they spake saying,--"I will sing to YHWH for He is exalted exalted,--The horse and his rider hath He cast into the Sea.
 
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Greetings. I like to think I am on meat/solid-food but even I have to admit Enoch is just too fantastic for me. Give me another 20yrs on the 66 books we have now then I may give Enoch another look see. :)

Reve 19:20 and the wild-beast was taken, and with him the false-prophet who did the signs before him, in which he led astray those who did receive the mark of the beast, and those who did bow before his image; living they were Cast--the two--to the Lake of the fire, that is burning with brimstone;

Revelation 15:3 and They are singing the Song of-Moses, the bond-servant of the God, and the song of the Lamb-kin, saying, `Great and marvelous the works of Thee, Lord!, the God, the Almighty, just and true the ways of Thee, the king of the [*Ages/Saints] Nations

Exodus 15:1 Then sang Mosheh and the sons of Yisra'el this song unto YHWH, and they spake saying,--"I will sing to YHWH for He is exalted exalted,--The horse and his rider hath He cast into the Sea.

Well, even a teacher of Israel could not understand what Jesus was saying to him.

Jhn 3:7 You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You must be born again.’
Jhn 3:8 The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”
Jhn 3:9 “How can this be?” Nicodemus asked.
Jhn 3:10 “You are Israel's teacher,” said Jesus, “and do you not understand these things?
Jhn 3:11 I tell you the truth, we speak of what we know, and we testify to what we have seen, but still you people do not accept our testimony.
Jhn 3:12 I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe; how then will you believe if I speak of heavenly things?
 
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God did indeed "do something" about those books. How arrogant you are! They've never been removed from the Biblical canon in one part of the world. They were found among the Dead Sea Scrolls which alerted people to the fact that they do belong. It's quoted in your Bible canon, Nana. There are clues everywhere! It was removed from OUR canon.
You are starting to sound like yeshuasavedme..must come with the territory and the beliefs.

I'm not talking about the canon in Judaism either...and age has nothing to do with anything. It's about spiritual maturity.
You aren't a babe in the Lord, that's evident....you are just sadly misinformed.


YOU are the one who is limiting God. God is giving us clues right and left of what books he wants us to have and study. It's quoted in your Bible, Nana! That's a HUGE clue! Someone has removed it from your canon!
They can keep it ^_^. I don't need it to tell me the names of fallen angels, and about the stars, and punishment that is coming. It's in my bible...all except the fallen angels, which I could care less what their names are.


It's almost like you are saying that if it's not in a Bible published in the USA, it's not true. Well, Nana, the true church, the body of believers is from every nation, people and language. God has led us back to books that belong.
Ya think so huh? I don't! More like Satan has lead you to books that don't belong.


Forget Esdras...you can't handle it right now.
I could, but I don't want to.

What does it matter how old I am?
At times you sound like maybe a teenager, and other times a grown woman.

1Ti 4:12Don't let anyone look down on you because you are young, but set an example for the believers in speech, in life, in love, in faith and in purity.

Yes, He is smart enough to know which ones to include. ENOCH IS IN YOUR BIBLE in the form of a quote in Jude! You have obviously not cared enough to study the Word and dig for His treasure to even NOTICE!
I didn't have to dig hard with one prophacy.


AND THAT HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYTHING THAT I SAID! :confused::doh:
Yes it does, if you are referring to the scripture regarding the law, prophets and the psalms. If Jesus is the focal point of our salvation, and He fulfilled the law, what else do you need to know that you feel these others books can offer?
 
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Well, even a teacher of Israel could not understand what Jesus was saying to him.

Jhn 3:7 You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You must be born again.’
Jhn 3:8 The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”
Jhn 3:9 “How can this be?” Nicodemus asked.
Jhn 3:10 “You are Israel's teacher,” said Jesus, “and do you not understand these things?
Jhn 3:11 I tell you the truth, we speak of what we know, and we testify to what we have seen, but still you people do not accept our testimony.
Jhn 3:12 I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe; how then will you believe if I speak of heavenly things?
You mean like this "cannibal" passage?

John 6:51 `I am the bread, the living, the out of the heaven descending. If ever any-one may be eating out of this, the bread, he shall be living--into the age. And the bread yet which I shall be giving, the flesh of Me, is for sake of the world, Life.
52 Striving then toward one another, the Judeans, saying, `How is able He to us to give the flesh to be eating?
60 Many then hearing out of the disciples of Him say:, "Hard is this the Word, who-any is-able of it to be hearing?"
 
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You mean like this "cannibal" passage?

John 6:51 `I am the bread, the living, the out of the heaven descending. If ever any-one may be eating out of this, the bread, he shall be living--into the age. And the bread yet which I shall be giving, the flesh of Me, is for sake of the world, Life.
52 Striving then toward one another, the Judeans, saying, `How is able He to us to give the flesh to be eating?
60 Many then hearing out of the disciples of Him say:, "Hard is this the Word, who-any is-able of it to be hearing?"

Yeah, they didn't understand that, did they?
 
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Yeah, they didn't understand that, did they?
Doesn't look like it. They also asked about the "son of the man" here

John 12:34 The crowd answered Him, "We have heard out of the Law that the Christ remains into the Age, and how thou say, 'The Son of the Man must be lifted up/exalted/uywqhnai <5312> (5683)'? Who-any is this the Son of the Man?"
 
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