The Death and True Resurrection of Jesus.

ViaCrucis · Mar 13, 2021

Strong in Him said:
Ok, but it was not from midnight - midnight.
The soldiers broke the legs of the 2 thieves so they would die quicker and the bodies not be left on the cross during the Sabbath. The women were prevented from anointing the body straight away because it was the Sabbath.
The mention of the Sabbath places the crucifixion, as far as I can see, on the equivalent of our Friday.

And John 19:31 straight up tells us it was Friday, saying that it was the day of preparation. The day of preparation is the day before the Sabbath, the sixth day of the week. It's what we call Friday.

The Bible really couldn't be more clear, that Jesus was crucified, He died, and was buried on a Friday afternoon. He lay in the tomb on the Sabbath (Saturday). And then He rose early on the first day of the week before sunrise, that's Sunday morning.

People get hung up on the "three days and three nights" statement and then seem to want to just blatantly disregard what the Four Evangelists actually and explicitly wrote about when Jesus died and rose.

The lengths some go to in order to manipulate Scripture and reject basic, historic Christian teaching and practice is phenomenal. And when evidence in support of traditional Christian faith and practice is presented, the tone-shift often enters into the arena of conspiracy theory. In which case evidence against a conspiracy theory is reinterpreted as evidence in favor of the conspiracy theory.

Why aren't there any records of the Council of Nicea or Emperor Constantine picking and choosing which books would be in the Bible? Because the big bad Catholic Church erased them all. Which begs the question, if there are no records, no evidence--then why does one believe the claim in the first place? But the conspiracy theorist cannot deal with that.

Just look at the conspiracy theories concerning the American 2020 presidential election. Or flat earthers. Or moon landing hoaxers, or 911 truthers, or the Q-cultists.

"Easter is Pagan"
"Constantine changed the Sabbath"
"The Council of Nicea decided the Bible"
"The Vatican has a supercomputer with the names of every Protestant on it"
"The Jews run the world through international banking"

It's all the same thing.

-CryptoLutheran

Bro.T · Mar 13, 2021

d taylor said:
It is not the Bible that gives Eternal Life.

It is The promised Messiah that gives Eternal Life.

You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me. But you are not willing to come to Me that you may have life.

I will add, there are many beliefs that are not based in The Bible, that have worked there way into the current visible church and the visible church is mostly man lead. But that can be different for each denomination, one thing is for certain the current visible church is not in unity.

Well, to search the scriptures one must needs the word of God, the old Testament, which is in the KJV Bible. I have found that many people blame the book (Bible), and not there own understanding. One must understand that the Messiah (Jesus) is the God of scriptures (old testament). Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. (John 8: 57, 58).

Bro.T · Mar 13, 2021

DamianWarS said:
So this thread has a sabbath agenda? May I suggest it would be better placed in the sabbath forum. Christ rests on the Sabbath through his death, if I want to obtain sabbath rest I'll seek it from the only one who can give it to me. There is no explicit NT verse to observe the letter of the Sabbath law.

Well, the fact that Jesus didn't die on good Friday and rise Sunday morning, may affected some people. Unless you can get three day and three night from Good Friday to Sunrise Sunday Morning service. So the sabbath day on the seventh day of the week has come up in this case. Because that's the day Jesus rose. Did you take time and read the lesson in total to get understanding? The lessons had to continue from one post to another, because of the length there of.

Bro.T · Mar 13, 2021

Yeshua HaDerekh said:
An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign...is that you? He never told them the end game...his Resurrection! The eyewitnesses on the road to Emmaus disprove your timeline!

Interesting spirit you have there! Paul says Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. 1 Thessalonians 5:21. Peace in the mighty name of Jesus

Clare73 · Mar 13, 2021

Bro.T said:
Now that we have firmly established the pagan history of Easter, we will look at it from the perspective of the bible. The scriptures will show that Easter is a tradition implemented by man. The word Easter appears in the bible one time and one time only. The following verse is the one that makes reference to Easter.

Now in Acts (12:4) And when he had apprehended him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him; intending after Easter to bring him forth to the people.
Now an individual may see this, as the legitimizing of the holiday Easter. After all one sees it being referred to in the bible. However, if we look at the verse directly above this one, it points to the fact, that the period being referred to is actually the Passover.

Acts (12:3) And because he saw it pleased the Jews, he proceeded further to take Peter also. (Then were the days of unleavened bread.) Verse (3) states that when Peter was taken it was the days of unleavened bread. One can determine that the time they were going to bring forth Peter was the Passover, by looking at the following verses. In them one will see that the Passover is the day preceding the Feast of Unleavened Bread not Easter. In addition the verse in John, states that it was a Jewish custom that the Romans would deliver unto them one at the time of the Passover.

Let's go in Leviticus (23:5) In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the Lord's passover. (23:6) And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the Lord: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread. Now let's go into St.John (18:39) But you have a custom, that I should release unto you one at the passover: will ye therefore that I release unto you the King of the Jews? One will not find that its observance is supported by the bible. And that is because, Easter itself is supposed to be a commemoration of the resurrection of Jesus. And Jesus told us to commemorate His death, not His resurrection. In Luke (22:19) And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me. In reading chapter 22 of the Gospel of Luke one will find that Jesus asked this of His disciples during the Passover meal.

The Passover is what Jesus asked us to observe to remind ourselves that He died for us not Easter. Jesus asked us to commemorate the Passover. He was not only to die on the Passover, He became our Passover.

Jesus asked us to commemorate the Lord's Supper of bread and wine, not the Passover meal of the lamb.

And unless Scripture forbids celebration of the Resurrection, there is no reason not to do so.

Easter was the church's response to pagans they were converting. It was the pagan custom to celebrate their feast at that time, so the feast of the Resurrection was instituted as an alternative, so they wouldn't go to the pagan feast.

Bro.T · Mar 13, 2021

Eloy Craft said:
C'mon Bro, why would some vanquished god from a culture that turned to dust long ago own a word or a day used for worship today? Who thinks of conquered pagan gods on Easter Sunday? No one but you guys trying to give the day back to the pagans. Easter means what people think it means now not then.

Sorry bro, if that was the case there would be know need of it at all.
my purpose is not to antagonize. It is only to cause you, to carefully examine the doctrine and practices, which you are following. By researching the scriptures one can ensure, that their doctrine lines up with the word of God. Having said that, Jesus told us to worship in spirit and the Lord gave everyone specific instructions how to do that. Those instructions are contained in the Holy Bible, for it contains the word of God. If any one follows a doctrine or operates in a spirit that is contrary to the scriptures, that doctrine and spirit they are following, are contrary to God.

In I John (4:1) it tells you to try the spirits Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. How does one try the spirits? By the word of God. By operating in the so called spirit of things, people worship God in ways that can not be supported or substantiated by the bible. They do this while still not observing God's commandments. Observing the Passover is a commandment from God Leviticus (23:5). People world wide observe so called religious holidays in the name of Christ but none of these are supported by the bible. This lesson hopefully showed that one of them, Easter, is no more than a tradition established by man.

Bro.T · Mar 13, 2021

Strong in Him said:
IF someone were to come and preach another Jesus who was different from the one that Paul preached ......
The apostles preached that Jesus of Nazareth, the eternal Word made flesh and Son of God, was the Messiah. Jesus may have been a common name then, but they preached no other Jesus.

That's right Paul say in 2 Corinthians 11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him. Now any Christian in their right mind wouldn’t dare say that it’s okay to steal, kill or commit adultery or break any of the other seven commandments. But when it comes to the fourth commandment, people avoid it like a plague! They are either uninformed about which day is the Sabbath day of the God of the Bible or they are just following the tradition of religion that was passed down through the family or maybe they have let some preacher give them other excuses for ignoring God’s true day of worship.

Let’s take a look and see what Jesus did when he came in the flesh, And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about. And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all. And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read. (Luke 4:14-16).

Jesus is the one who rested on the Sabbath day and commanded that you do the same. If you really understood the scriptures you would realize that He was the one who became known as Jesus who gave you the Ten Commandments. So not only did He command you to cease from your work on that day He also commanded you to. (Lev.23:3) “Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the Sabbath of rest, an holy convocation;” He said on the Sabbath day that you should also have an holy convocation, which means holy gathering or simply put, go to church.

There another Jesus being preach on another day, that's not written in the same book, that Jesus Christ in the Bible, stood up for to read..

Clare73 · Mar 13, 2021

Semper-Fi said:
Correct
Correct
Some claim the last supper was not the Passover,
but the bible clearly says "the night he was betrayed",
He ate the Passover with his disciples.

Yes, but the bread and wine were not the Passover meal, the lamb was.

The Passover and the Days of Unleavened Bread was a memorial,
ordained forever, before one word of the old covenant was spoken.

Clare73 · Mar 13, 2021

Semper-Fi said:
As for Easter and its traditional Sunday “sunrise service,” there is no biblical basis
for its observance. The Catholic Encyclopedia frankly admits that
“the apostolic fathers do not mention it” (article “Easter”).

I guess not. . .it's only about 60 years old.

Clare73 · Mar 13, 2021

Bro.T said:
Always remember the foundation of the church started in the wilderness on the seventh day of the week, which is called the Sabbath day. Stephen mention that in Acts 7:38 - This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us: My point is we have that to follow, we have a beginning time, back in the days of Moses. Theirs no need for anything extra or doctrine to be added for us to do. Let's see is Jesus follow the same guide lines in his time on earth. Let's go to Luke 4: 14 And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about. 15 And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all. 16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.

The "church" (ek-klesia, called-out assembly) in the wilderness is simply God's OT people before Canaan.

How is the Sabbath involved?

Bro.T · Mar 13, 2021

klutedavid said:
There are multiple definitions of sin in the scripture. Anything that is not of faith. The good that you know you should do but don't. There are also many sins and abominations mentioned by the prophets. For example; drunkenness and gluttony.

Sin is transgression of the law, actually means, the entire law.

That's great you recognize other thing thou shouldest not do. Because Paul says in (Rom. 4:15) Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression. If there is no law there is no sin. Also Paul says in (Rom. 5:13) (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. If there is no law, there is no sin!

Clare73 · Mar 13, 2021

pescador said:
Acts 12:1-4, NET v2.1, "About that time King Herod laid hands on some from the church to harm them. He had James, the brother of John, executed with a sword. When he saw that this pleased the Jews, he proceeded to arrest Peter too. (This took place during the feast of Unleavened Bread.) When he had seized him, he put him in prison, handing him over to four squads of soldiers to guard him. Herod planned to bring him out for public trial after the Passover.

Clearly the feast of Unleavened Bread and the Passover are separate things.

Unleavened Bread was a seven-day feast, following on Passover, a one day feast, making it an eight-day event. Because of that, sometimes Unleavened Bread is called Passover, and vice-versa.

d taylor · Mar 13, 2021

Bro.T said:
Well, to search the scriptures one must needs the word of God, the old Testament, which is in the KJV Bible. I have found that many people blame the book (Bible), and not there own understanding. One must understand that the Messiah (Jesus) is the God of scriptures (old testament). Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. (John 8: 57, 58).

I am not arguing against the Bible, it is the only way now to learn about God and that it is, trusting in The Messiah for God's free gift of Eternal Life. that is only found in the Bible. The Bible is in a way kind of like The Cross and Resurrection, Miracles of Jesus. They should all point the person looking for Eternal Life to The Messiah.

Bro.T · Mar 13, 2021

Jaxxi said:
What do you mean True Resurrection? John 11:9 says
Jesus answered, “Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world.

This is what we go by. Three days.

You would get a full understanding if you read the full lesson. I had to break it up in parts, but I'll try to explain.

Jesus was always being inquired of by the Jews for a sign. He gave them one in reference to His death and resurrection. He told them that just like Jonas, He would be in the earth 3 days and 3 nights. In the Gospel of John Jesus again gave the Jews a sign by telling them if this temple was destroyed He would raise it up in 3 days. Jesus was referring to His body. (Matthew 12:38) Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee. 39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: 40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Let's take another look at it (John 2:18) Then answered the Jews and said unto him, “What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things?” (19) Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. (20) Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days? (21) But he spake of the temple of his body.

Jesus makes it clear the time between His death and resurrection would be 3 days and 3 nights.

Now despite the fact that Jesus Himself said that He would be in the grave 3 days and 3 nights, man has come up with the tradition of Jesus dying on Good Friday and rising early Sunday morning. In following this tradition, not only does one not observe one of God's Holy Days, which is the Passover, they directly deny the words of Jesus. It was Jesus who gave the sign of being in the grave 3 days and 3 nights. The tradition of Good Friday and Easter clearly does not line up with scripture. Because following this tradition the maximum one has Jesus in the grave is 1 day and 2 nights.
According to tradition, if Jesus had died on Friday, He would have been in the grave Friday night, Saturday day and Saturday night. One would not count Sunday because in John (20:1) it states that the 1st day of the week which is Sunday, Mary came to the grave site when it was still dark. In Luke (24:1-6) They find that the stone which was placed in front of the sepulcher had been removed and an angel tells them that Jesus had already risen.

How They Say It Happened

Tradition of Man - Good Friday & Easter SU M T W TH F S
Days 1 1
Nights 1 1

This is the short version of this lesson, but the version is posted here.
Now remember God's days start at evening and end the next evening. Keep that in mind as you view the next set of scriptures. Jesus had been betrayed by Judas the evening of the Passover. John 13 tells how Jesus and His disciples, that evening, were sharing the Passover meal. John (18:3) shows that same evening; Jesus was betrayed and taken away. It was still nighttime when they took Jesus, because the men that came and took and bound Him had lanterns and torches.

Jesus was crucified the next day but it was still the Passover. Remember God's days run from sundown to sundown. Jesus had been taken into custody the night of the Passover and the next morning which is the day of the Passover, He was condemned and crucified.

The following verses deomonstrate how Pilate was willing to release Jesus the morning after he had been taken in to custody. It was still the Passover. We all know the Jews refused and Jesus was crucified.

(John 18:39) But ye have a custom, that I should release unto you one at the passover: will ye therefore that I release unto you the King of the Jews? (40) Then cried they all again, saying, Not this man, but Barabbas. Now Barabbas was a robber.
Remember Mark (15:42) Joseph craved the body of Jesus the evening of the Passover. Now one can see that this was towards the end of the Passover.
3 Days And 3 Nights

The scriptures explain how Jesus was in the earth 3 days and 3 nights just as He had foretold.
How It Really Happened

3 Days And 3 Nights
SU M T W TH F S
Days 1 1 1
Nights 1 1 1

That's because Jesus went into His grave right before the end of the Passover or Wed. evening. The passing of the Passover brought in the Feast of the Unleavened Bread. So Jesus would Have been in the Grave Wednesday night, Thursday daytime and Thursday night, Friday daytime, Friday night, Saturday daytime and Jesus rose right before the sun went down on Saturday. Hence one has the 3 days and 3 nights which Jesus prophesied.

Bro.T · Mar 13, 2021

ViaCrucis said:
If you have a problem with Christians celebrating Christ's resurrection on the first day of the week then you may want to take it up with Jesus--He's the One who rose on the first day of the week.

Maybe you can file a formal complaint or something. Let us know how that goes.

-CryptoLutheran

I did take that up with Jesus, and show us in the Bible that he didn't.
Jesus Himself said that He would be in the grave 3 days and 3 nights, man has come up with the tradition of Jesus dying on Good Friday and rising early Sunday morning. In following this tradition, not only does one not observe one of God's Holy Days, which is the Passover, they directly deny the words of Jesus. It was Jesus who gave the sign of being in the grave 3 days and 3 nights. The tradition of Good Friday and Easter clearly does not line up with scripture. Because following this tradition the maximum one has Jesus in the grave is 1 day and 2 nights.

According to tradition, if Jesus had died on Friday, He would have been in the grave Friday night, Saturday day and Saturday night. One would not count Sunday because in John (20:1) it states that the 1st day of the week which is Sunday, Mary came to the grave site when it was still dark. In Luke (24:1-6) They find that the stone which was placed in front of the sepulcher had been removed and an angel tells them that Jesus had already risen.

Bro.T · Mar 13, 2021

Albion said:
We know what the Scriptures say; the question is what do the Scriptures mean by it. It is well-known (and it's been discussed here before) that the counting of days then was not as we do it now.

This should come as no surprise to you, considering (for example) that you know the Sabbath does not start at 12 midnight and end 24 hours later.

I post a pretty much full lesson on the subject at hand, if you have time go back and read it all. It's in parts because of the length, but I believe it should help you understand more in details. I believe you can see this thing, pray for little understanding before reading, because you have some understanding already.

Bro.T · Mar 13, 2021

truefiction1 said:
Why not just look for yourself? There are Biblical explanations in many an internet article.

Look up what for myself? Am I'm not the one who post a lesson on this thread? Have I not shown scriptures and verses to prove the word of God in the Bible, according to this lesson title. Have you read the whole lesson or just skim through comments? If someone tells me I'm wrong without proof then they have prove themself according to what Paul says in (1Thess. 5:21) Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. How absolute is all things.

Bro.T · Mar 13, 2021

d taylor said:
I am not arguing against the Bible, it is the only way now to learn about God and that it is, trusting in The Messiah for God's free gift of Eternal Life. that is only found in the Bible. The Bible is in a way kind of like The Cross and Resurrection, Miracles of Jesus. They should all point the person looking for Eternal Life to The Messiah.

It's always a blessing to fellowship in the word of God, in spirit and in truth. Jesus said in (Matt. 16:24-27) (v.24) Then said Jesus unto his disciples, if any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. That was the Lord’s burden, to die on the cross for the sins of man. Now as we read earlier every man must bear his own burden, and what is your burden? (v.25) For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it. You must give up your life in this world; you must not get caught up in the cares of this world. You must bring forth-good fruits of faith by keeping God’s commandments, statues, and judgments. (v.26) For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? Or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?

Yeshua HaDerekh · Mar 13, 2021

Strong in Him said:
Ok, but it was not from midnight - midnight.
The soldiers broke the legs of the 2 thieves so they would die quicker and the bodies not be left on the cross during the Sabbath. The women were prevented from anointing the body straight away because it was the Sabbath.
The mention of the Sabbath places the crucifixion, as far as I can see, on the equivalent of our Friday.

Agreed

truefiction1 · Mar 13, 2021

Bro.T said:
Look up what for myself? Am I'm not the one who post a lesson on this thread? Have I not shown scriptures and verses to prove the word of God in the Bible, according to this lesson title. Have you read the whole lesson or just skim through comments? If someone tells me I'm wrong without proof then they have prove themself according to what Paul says in (1Thess. 5:21) Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. How absolute is all things.

The only thing we prove by deeming ourselves superior in knowledge and understanding to the ancient Christian elders is how spiritually illumined the prophet Isaiah is: (Isaiah 5:21).

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