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Featured The date of great tribulation

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by shilohsfoal, Mar 22, 2019.

  1. Maria Billingsley

    Maria Billingsley Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Jesus Christ of Nazareth put an end to the daily sacrifice. He made it of no effect as He was the last and "perfect sacrifice". He has made the sanctuary desolate. God no longer dwells in that temple. Subsequently He destroyed it in 70 AD. All has been fulfilled. There is no interruption in the 70 weeks of Daniel. All has been fulfilled. The fulfilled interpretation is the correct view; that the 69 weeks measured "unto Messiah"; that in the midst of the 70th week after three and a half years of ministry—he was cut off in death; that this sacrifice, being the perfect sacrifice, caused other sacrifices to cease in God' s plan.
    AMEN!
    Blessings

    PS: Desolation means "a state of bleak and dismal emptiness". The Jews rejected Christ and were an abomination to God. He left their temple empty. His face does not shine.
    "Now therefore, our God, hear the prayer of Your servant, and his supplications, and for the Lord’s sake cause Your face to shine on Your sanctuary, which is desolate."
     
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  2. shilohsfoal

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    Ive already studied much of it but have found that to be a false teaching.
    According to the prophecy of Daniel the daily sacrifice is abolished three and a half years before the abomination of desolation is placed.According to eye witness accounts ,the sacrifices were not abolished in 66ad and therefore the abomination that causes desolation was also not set up in 70 ad.
    In fact the more you study the abomination that causrs desolation,the more this fact is known.
     
  3. shilohsfoal

    shilohsfoal Newbie

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    Sp you believe now that the Roman Titus,whos millitary destroyed a building in,Jerusalem is in fact Jesus?

    Or are you saying John who Josephus said stop sacrificing in Jerusalem is Jesus?

    History just doesnt support the claims you are making.
     
  4. Maria Billingsley

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    If you already studied it and found it false, I will not convince you otherwise. Jesus Christ of Nazareth fulfilled the 70 weeks.
    Blessings
     
  5. Brian Mcnamee

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    I agree with you about the EU but the structure for the system of government is the UN with the IMF and world bank. The EU is not rising they are heading towards a global collapse like the rest of the nations. The beast does not get power over the earth until the middle of the week. Which follows the seal judgments that come on all the earth. The beast has authority over every tribe tongue kindred and nation. The EU is one of the 10 and the other nations are in this counsel too. Fakers of the lost ark
    The one world financial system is already plotted out. A pretty sharp guy named Martin ARmstrong is an economic forecaster who has a computer model that has a food track record and he is not Biblically influenced and he sees the IMF bringing about a one world currency.

    The Coming One World Currency | Armstrong Economics

    There are many more voices on this topic.
     
  6. His student

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    Yes there is.
    Yes there is.
     
  7. His student

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    If that happens after the Tribulation and the Lord's coming in glory - who would populate the Millennium?

    Perhaps you reject that there is a Millennial reign of Christ as well. What a surprise that would be.:rolleyes:
     
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  8. His student

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    The believers in that 7 year period are relatively new since all others were raptured before that time.

    While they may well avail themselves of a N. T. when they come to believe and after that read the warnings of Jesus - it isn't likely that they will have studied enough systematic eschatology to fully understand the relationship of the Daniel prophecy vis-a-vis the warnings of Jesus.

    Heck - look at the folks here. They've had the Word of God, complete with various commentaries from different viewpoints dissecting these events ad nauseam, for most of their lives - and look at the ignorance displayed in this thread alone concerning the meaning of the "abomination that causes desolation" which the Lord was talking about - not to mention the rather clear and simple to understand doctrine concerning the rapture of the Church of Jesus Christ prior to the various judgments in those last days.
     
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  9. parousia70

    parousia70 I'm livin' in yesterday's tomorrow Supporter

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    Wait... so Jesus tells his disclipes “look at the temple, it will all come down stone by stone not one left upon another”, the disciples then ask Jesus “WHEN?” Jesus then totally ignores their question about “when the temple would fall” and instead talks about events thousands of years away that do not apply to them or the temple at all, but forgets to mention “hey by the way, The question you asked about when the temple would fall? I’m not gonna bother answering that, Instead I’m going to talk about a bunch of stuff that has no bearing on your lives here in this generation, that you’ll never see come to pass even though I’m going to use all kinds of language indicating you will see it come to pass before this generation passes...”

    That’s what you are saying?
     
  10. eleos1954

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    Matthew 24 - 2 questions asked - 2 points addressed - multi-question/multi-answers

    1And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple. 2And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down. (His response to them showing Him the temple, and Him predicting it would be destroyed and it was)

    3And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things (referring to temple destroyed & His 2nd coming)? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
     
  11. Jonaitis

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    Exactly...
     
  12. Jonaitis

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    Actually, "world" is a translation that could also be rendered "age" and may have a limited scope, referring to Israel and the Old Covenant. "Coming" can be referred to as a judgment coming to Israel, rather than a physical appearance yet to happen. This language is used throughout Scripture, like the divine counsel during Babel.
     
  13. eleos1954

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    well... then further down it says which is definitely talking about His 2nd coming and the 1st resurrection.

    Matthew 24

    26Wherefore (so) (he's still talking to them) if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. 27For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 28For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

    29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
     
  14. Douggg

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    Brian, we have much in common. The role of the cartel can not be underestimating. I don't know about a one world currency, but the banking cartel would want it, but more than that they want everything digital. I doubt that there will be a one currency.

    The globalist would want it. That' why they are trying to sabotage brexit.

    Ever since the 2008/2009 meltdown, everything is being propped up by the central bankers and QE. It is just one scheme after another.

    I wouldn't be a bit surprised if the little horn person comes out of the banking sector. Like Macron. But since he is not a Jew, that rules him out.

    Yes, I have listened to Martin Armstrong, many times. There is so much on how the central bankers have got the world in the precarious situation it is now.

    The person who becomes the beast does not do so until the middle part of the 7years, agreed.

    What I am thinking that will cause a change in the EU government is (1) political crisis, which brexit is (2) financial crisis.
     
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  15. parousia70

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    Ok, let’s assume you are right about “multiple questions multiple answers....”

    If So, can you show me where in the discourse Jesus answers His disciples question about “WHEN the temple would fall.”?

    You assert above That Jesus did in face address that question.
    If so, Can you cite the verse?
     
  16. tranquil

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    There is a lot to parse out here. (just curious if you have an opinion on the question?)

    'Abomination that causes desolation': I seem to recall that you view the AoD as a nuclear bomb, and I don't disagree in part. But we have to distinguish a few things, is the nuke in response to the man of sin calling himself God? Which is the 'abomination that causes desolation'?

    In other words, the word 'destruction' revolves around a spiritual meaning & a physical meaning.

    Daniel 9:26 Interlinear: And after the sixty and two weeks, cut off is Messiah, and the city and the holy place are not his, the Leader who hath come doth destroy the people; and its end is with a flood, and till the end is war, determined are desolations. In Daniel 9:26, the people of the ruler to come will 'destroy' the city & sanctuary. 'Destroy' is 'shachath' Strong's Hebrew: 7843. שָׁחַת (shachath) -- perhaps to go to ruin which is also translated as 'corrupt'.

    when the man of sin call himself God, this would 'corrupt'/ spiritually destroy people who choose to believe that he is God, that would be an abomination that causes desolation.

    when a different actor responds to this action with a nuke, that would be an abomination that causes desolation.

    Also, 'middle of the week' has multiple meanings & occurences. IMO, the event in Judea referenced in Matt 24 is the middle of a particular 7 days (starting at the 70th anniversary of Jerusalem desolations, add 70 weeks, add 7 weeks, add 62 weeks, then go forward 3.5 days

    Because people have been taught that the 'middle of the week' is 1260 days, then of course people will be caught unawares when it is only 3.5 days later.

    As I tentatively understand it, the man of sin calls himself God in the middle of a particular week/ 7 days (which just so happens to land on Dec 21, 2020). Because he does this, then Judea is attacked? And this reactionary attack would be on the 10th of Tevet which happens to be on Christmas day Dec 25, 2020. Jewish Calendar 2020 | Hebcal Jewish Calendar

    the 10th of Tevet referenced from Ezekiel 24
    In the ninth year, in the tenth month, on the tenth day of the month, the word of the Lord came to me:
    2 “Son of man, write down the name of this day, this very day. The king of Babylon has laid siege to Jerusalem this very day. 3 And utter a parable to the rebellious house and say to them, Thus says the Lord God:

    “Set on the pot, set it on;
    pour in water also;
    4 put in it the pieces of meat,
    all the good pieces, the thigh and the shoulder;
    fill it with choice bones.
    5 Take the choicest one of the flock;
    pile the logs under it;
    boil it well;
    seethe also its bones in it.

    6 “Therefore thus says the Lord God: Woe to the bloody city, to the pot whose corrosion is in it, and whose corrosion has not gone out of it! Take out of it piece after piece, without making any choice. 7 For the blood she has shed is in her midst; she put it on the bare rock; she did not pour it out on the ground to cover it with dust. 8 To rouse my wrath, to take vengeance, I have set on the bare rock the blood she has shed, that it may not be covered. 9 Therefore thus says the Lord God: Woe to the bloody city! I also will make the pile great.​
     
  17. SandwichBoy

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    What's the great tribulation?
     
  18. Bruce Leiter

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    How do "the saints know and understand" the date to be 3 1/2 years before it comes? Three and a one-half years was the time of Elijah's famine. Therefore, as in the Book of Revelation, it probably is a symbolic number. Jesus' prophecy along with many OT prophecies has direct and deeper meanings. The direct meaning deals with the time of the destruction of Jerusalem in 40 years (note the beginning of the chapter), while the deeper meaning refers to Jesus' second coming, when there will be great unrest (now?). I prefer to be a "pan-millennialist." It'll all pan out. I prefer to think about the great hope we have that Jesus, when he comes, will create our resurrection bodies and a new universe.
     
  19. HTacianas

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    The daily sacrifice was ended by Antiochus Epiphanes during the Maccabean revolt. He was the "horn" that moved toward Egypt but then turned back to attack Israel.

    See I Maccabees.
     
  20. shilohsfoal

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    It has nothing to do with a man showing himsrlf that he is God.

    The abomination of desolation is placed after the king of the norths forces have been defeated in jerusalem.His military will lay dead in the street after being killed by the beast/aka/king of the south.
    It takes place at the time of the end.

    Daniel 11:40 At the time of the end, the king of the South will engage him in battle, but the king of the North will storm out against him with chariots, horsemen, and many ships, invading many countries and sweeping through them like a flood.

    The king of the norths military occupies Jerusalem,for 42 months,then it is attacked and killed . The king of the north responds with the abomination that causes desolation.He will destroy many cities and countries at that time.

    Daniel 11:44 But news from the east and the north will alarm him, and he will go out with great fury to destroy many and devote them to destruction.

    Both Daniel and Jesus said at that time ,would be great tribulation.
    Both these verses pertain the the abomination that causes desolation.

    Daniel 12:1 At that time Michael, the great prince who stands watch over your people, will rise up. There will be a time of distress such as never has occurred from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time your people--everyone whose name is found written in the book--will be delivered.

    Matthew 24:21 For at that time there will be great tribulation, unmatched from the beginning of the world until now, and never to be seen again.
     
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