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Featured The date of great tribulation

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by shilohsfoal, Mar 22, 2019.

  1. ewq1938

    ewq1938 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    What remains untenable here is changing the second coming into a spiritual coming rather than the type of coming the NT describes. Do you believe in a second coming that's visible and physical etc? Or do you only believe in this "spiritual coming". Then the next obvious question is are you a supporter of full preterism?
     
  2. parousia70

    parousia70 I'm livin' in yesterday's tomorrow Supporter

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    I am not a Full preterist. Nothing I believe and profess is a view EXCLUSIVE to Full preterism.

    Again, Exegete Revelation 14:14-20 for us... it's not enough to say what you believe it isn't if you can't demonstrate to us what you believe it IS.

    What coming of Christ on the clouds to reap the harvest of the earth IS Revelation 14:14-20 describing?

    You have no scriptural instruction to apply a polar opposite meaning to the nature of Christ's "coming on the clouds in the glory of the Father" from the meaning of all previous "comings of the Father on the clouds in His Great Glory" that preceded it.

    None.

    Such is purely a man made tradition taught nowhere in scripture.
     
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  3. ewq1938

    ewq1938 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    It shows the rapture. Christ raptures the living saints up to the clouds to meet with him. After that he descends to the Earth completing his second coming which remains physical,
    Mat 24:30-31, Rev 19:11-21.
     
  4. LittleLambofJesus

    LittleLambofJesus PESKY DEVIL! GIT! l SAID GIT! Supporter

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    Does John 8 count?

    John 8 and Jesus writing in dirt

    John 8:
    6 This yet they said, trying Him, that they may be having to be accusing<2723> of Him. But Jesus down-stooping to the finger Wrote into the ground,
    7 As yet they persisted asking Him. He up-bends and said toward them "The sinless-one of ye first the stone on her let be casting!"!
    8 And again down-stooping, He Wrote into the ground.

    Now let's look further at "accusing/accused" in the NT.

    Matthew 27:12
    And while He was being accused by the chief priests and elders, He answered nothing.

    Mark 15:3
    And the chief priests accused Him of many things, but He answered nothing.

    Luke 23:10
    And the chief priests and scribes stood and vehemently accused Him.

    Paul actually appealed to Caesar:

    Acts 25:11

    “For if I am an offender, or have committed anything deserving of death, I do not object to dying; but if there is nothing in these things of which these men accuse me, no one can deliver me to them. I appeal to Caesar.
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    I believe the accuser in Revelation 12 is symbolizing those OC Murderous Judean Rulers who were constantly accusing Jesus and the Apostles, especially my bro Paul. Them and Their City and Temple got leveled in the 1st century.

    Revelation 12:10
    And I hear great voice saying in the Heaven: "Now became the salvation and the power and the Kingdom of the God of us, and the authority of the Christ of Him, that was cast the Accuser of the brothers of us,
    the one accusing them in sight of the God of us day and night.

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  5. ewq1938

    ewq1938 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    The text tells us who the accuser is:

    Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
    Rev 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
    Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
    Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

    The accuser is the devil, not "those OC Murderous Judean Rulers".
     
  6. LittleLambofJesus

    LittleLambofJesus PESKY DEVIL! GIT! l SAID GIT! Supporter

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    Did you miss John 8:44?

    Jesus' Birth, Crucifixion, Death, Resurrection and Ascension in Revelation.

    Here is the birth of our Lord:

    Revelation 12:5
    And She brought forth<5088> a Son, a male,
    Who is about to be shepherding<4165> all the nations in iron rod/staff.

    Then as He turns 30, He begins to preach.

    Jesus calls these guys "offspring of the Devil"...................

    John 8:44
    Ye out of a father, the Devil are, and the desires/epiqumiaV <1939> of the father of ye, ye are willing to be doing. [<1939> Revelation 18:14]
    That one a man-killer was from beginning and in the truth not has stood, that not is truth in him.
    Whenever he may be talking, the falsehood out of the own/P he is talking, that a falsifier he is and the father of it.

    Oh, Jesus also condemns them to "gehenna hellfire"

    Matthew 23:
    15 Woe to ye Scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! That ye are going about the sea and the dry to make one proselyte, and whenever he may be becoming, ye are making him a son of geennhV<1067> twofold-more of ye-selves
    Matthew 23:33
    33 "Serpents! brood of vipers! how? ye may be fleeing from the judging<2920> of the geennhV <1067>
    34 Therefore behold! I send to you prophets, wise men, and scribes.
    Some of them you will kill and crucify;
    and some of them you will scourge in your synagogues, and persecute/pursue from city to city

    Now, didn't those corrupt Judean rulers have followers of Jesus, including Peter and Paul, thrown into jails?

    Luke 21:12
    “But before all these things, they will lay their hands on you and persecute you,
    delivering you up to the synagogues and prisons
    <5438>.
    You will be brought before kings and rulers for My name’s sake.

    Revelation 2:10 "tribulation 10 days"

    What is the tribulation for 10 days all about?

    Revelation 2:10
    No yet one thou be fearing! which-things thou are being about to be suffering.
    Behold! the Devil is being about to be casting ye into a prison<5438>, that ye may be being tried.
    And ye shall be having Tribulation<2347> of ten days,
    Be thou becoming! faithful until death! and I shall be giving to thee the crown of the life.


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  7. ewq1938

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    It's not relevant. To identify who the accuser in Rev 12 is, you just read Rev 12 because it tells us who he is.
     
  8. LittleLambofJesus

    LittleLambofJesus PESKY DEVIL! GIT! l SAID GIT! Supporter

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    Better to look at the Greek ............

    John 8:44
    Ye out of a father, the Devil are,
    and the desires<1939> of the father of ye, ye are willing to be doing. [<1939> Revelation 18:14]
    That one a man-killer was from beginning and in the truth not has stood, that not is truth in him.
    Whenever he may be talking, the falsehood out of the own/P he is talking, that a falsifier he is and the father of it.

    Matthew 23:
    37 - “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her!
    38 Behold! the House of ye is being left desolate/a wilderness<2048>
    Luke 13:
    34 - “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her!
    35 Behold! the House of ye is being left desolate/a wilderness<2048>,

    The Great City/Harlot/Queen Revelation chapts 17-19


    #1939 used in John 8 used only in 1 verse of Revelation:

    Revelation 18
    14 ‘And the fruition<3703> of Thee of the desires<1939> of Thy soul passed away<565> from Thee,
    and all the dainty and the splendid things perished from Thee,
    and no longer not no Thou shall be finding them.
    15 The Merchants of these, those being rich from Her,
    from afar shall be standing, because of the fear of Her torment, weeping, and mourning<3996>,

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  9. SandwichBoy

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    Ridiculous.
     
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