The Dangers of the Christian Extremists...

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Recently I was so frustrated that I quickly jotted down a political satirical essay just to vent, my husband and son thought it should be posted on both fb and here on the forums. So, I'm experimenting with you all. This piece is intended only as a vent and a conversation starter......

The other day, my daughter posted this gem....Another Christian terrorist is shooting up an abortion clinic. Moderate Christians, do something about your religious extremists.

I thought she might have a point, so I looked for the most Christian extremist group I could find. Let me tell you about the ordeal, it was really heroing.

It all started as we were heading to Church on Sunday morning. The air was cool and the sky clear, all in all a beautiful day to be alive. We had left the house without a care in the world, after all, where we live, terrorists are not too interested because they couldn't produce mass panic. It would be good territory for a terrorist camp wanting to instruct their young people in how to be a terrorist, how to be suicide bombers, how to recruit young people to their cause, even how to teach them to murder and rape like we keep hearing about in the news. So I thought about the admonition to focus on the terrorists in the Christian community, you know the extremists.

We turned down a dirt road and that is when things began to get frightening. I had never thought about the Christian extremists before, how truly dangerous and threatening they were, but there it was, plain as day, real threats from the most Christian extremist group I know, a horse and buggy going down the road at a good clip, a father, mother, and 3 children waving at us as they headed to their morning meeting. How dare they be so threatening as to drive their horse on the same road we were driving on, much less wave a friendly greeting, how could they be so suspicious. Suspicious, that was the word of the day. In our current society, the muslim draws suspicion, not condemnation until there is no longer a threat. So I asked my husband to do the only thing a good citizen could do in the case of Christian Extremists...turn around and follow them to see what they were up to.

We followed them to a farm house not far away where other such folks were gathered. Fear seized me because we all know that it is the Christian extremists that are posing the most danger to our safety, right? After all, they wear clothes that identify them as extremists. Their attire would allow them to hide weapons such as guns and bombs. There were children around, they must be teaching them to be terrorists, how to rape, murder, and how to be offended if someone looks at them suspiciously. In fact, our fear was so great at this point that we thought best to drive on by and leave them so that we were not beaten and beheaded for having different views than they do about God and how to live our lives.

After our own worship meeting, we headed home down the same stretch of road. That is when we really began to fear for our lives. You see, these people who drove horses and met on farms and wore clothes that could hide things, were now walking in a group of youth, like a gang. Terror, that is all I can say, sheer terror struck us as we began to realize just how dangerous the Amish can be. Even in the heat of summer, they wear long sleeves, and their woman....they wear bibs and aprons and bonnets that can conceal weapons. Don't even get me started about the vehicles that they drive, I mean, have you ever in all your life seen the damage that a pile left on the road by one of their horses can do to a car if you aren't aware that they are there? We affectionately call them "road apples", but after realizing how dangerous the Amish can be, I think a new term might be in order. It's horrifying, simply horrifying to think about how dangerous the Christian Extremists really are.

There is a reason why Muslim extremists are targeted for scrutiny when it comes to terrorist activity and it isn't because they wear burkas or have places of worship for their god. It isn't because they have different religious views, or because some random stray unfortunate soul goes psycho and decides to shoot people and call it holy and just. No, they are targeted because they are known for their violent behavior and everyone who identifies themselves with these groups should without offense expect to be scrutinized until they are found to be no threat. It's the world we live in.

The Amish have a reputation for working hard and doing quality work, The reputation is the result of repeated behaviors. My aunt was told once to put the Amish name on something she made and she would double the amount she got from it. The Amish have a reputation and if I identify with them that reputation also is applied to me. No muslim in our world today should be offended when they are scrutinized because they identify themselves with a known terrorist group. People who hire the Amish for a job, expect them to do the job well and to do it at a reasonable rate because that is their reputation. We in our area, expect to see Amish drive their horse and buggy down the road and meet at farm houses for meeting and even participate in house and barn raisings, because that is the reputation they have. They have a reputation for being friendly, kind, not dangerous and threatening, hard working, and not a threat at all. A lone Amish who does not work hard or doesn't participate is not considered a condemnation on the whole community. Likewise, the muslim extremists have a reputation, it is a reputation for terrorism and if there is a lone Muslim who doesn't participate in terrorism, it doesn't mean that the muslim extremists suddenly lose their reputation, that takes the entire group to change. Likewise there is a difference between a lone church or mosque being extremist and a whole group, spread across a nation or world who align themselves with radical ideas and lifestyle beliefs. In fact, a local small group of extremists that are centered in a local church or mosque is easy to control and express our disagreements with. It is when that group becomes wide spread and tries to cause terror and chaos wherever they go that we have a problem on our hands.

So next time you see a group of Christian extremists walking down the road in their blue shirts and dark pants and wide brimmed hats, be cautious, you never know just how dangerous that Christian extremist group can be. After all, the suicide Amish bombers are always in the news, aren't they?
 
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You paint a beautiful picture of the Amish, not the picture they are known for in our area, true they do quality work but they gouge for it and engage in extortion in order to get a corner on certain markets, but that is not all of them, there is a Amish fellow down the road from me who I occasionally buy firewood off of who as far as I can tell is straight as an arrow and doesn't want his name even mentioned with the name of his brethren who have less than scrupulous business practices. I have met Islamic folks who are unapologetic terrorists (did a tour in Iraq) I have also met fine upstanding Muslims who bear no ill will and as far as I was able to tell these are the vast majority of them (regardless of what our government would have us believe). I say don't let a few bad apples spoil the whole darn bunch. The essay is good and it makes you point my comments were not meant to denigrate the quality of the writing just to disagree with the content.
 
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You paint a beautiful picture of the Amish, not the picture they are known for in our area, true they do quality work but they gouge for it and engage in extortion in order to get a corner on certain markets, but that is not all of them, there is a Amish fellow down the road from me who I occasionally buy firewood off of who as far as I can tell is straight as an arrow and doesn't want his name even mentioned with the name of his brethren who have less than scrupulous business practices. I have met Islamic folks who are unapologetic terrorists (did a tour in Iraq) I have also met fine upstanding Muslims who bear no ill will and as far as I was able to tell these are the vast majority of them (regardless of what our government would have us believe). I say don't let a few bad apples spoil the whole darn bunch. The essay is good and it makes you point my comments were not meant to denigrate the quality of the writing just to disagree with the content.
in practise, I think you and I agree for the most part....that being said, we also can't ignore the fact that a group, not just an individual has a reputation and whether that reputation is good or bad, if we are associated with that group on any level, that reputation is also applied to us until or unless we have found a way to separate ourselves from that group in someway.

BTW, I totally enjoyed your comments and think they are well thought out. As far as your comments about the amish, my grandparents would have agreed with you due to dealings they had with some, however, the general population, whether right or wrong, at least here has a different understanding and if I claim to be part of the group, I should not be offended by the reputation being applied to me, which was my point and it sounds like you understand that point....nice to meet you and thanks for the comments, very good points.
 
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Religious extremists are made on the tenets of Fox news type scare tactic shows. The worst offenders are Hannity, Beck, and Alex Jones. They know they appeal to the right and some folks are superstitious and easy to convince that Obama is ready to round up the Christians and put them in Fema camps.
I have a close friend who warns me that they are coming. He acts as if a civil war is ready and I better be ready to fight.
Fight what? The whole thing is nuts.
 
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Religious extremists are made on the tenets of Fox news type scare tactic shows. The worst offenders are Hannity, Beck, and Alex Jones. They know they appeal to the right and some folks are superstitious and easy to convince that Obama is ready to round up the Christians and put them in Fema camps.
I have a close friend who warns me that they are coming. He acts as if a civil war is ready and I better be ready to fight.
Fight what? The whole thing is nuts.
oh, it isn't just the Fox news types or Obama, I have family members who for awhile were stockpiling or at least talking about stockpiling weapons and ammo so they were prepared. I think all the media is out there right now trying to stir emotional responses so that they can "win" their desires.

But, maybe this leads into another discussion that we might want to delve into a bit here, how do we combat the insanity that is our world today? Let's take the media for example, no matter where you turn, someone is trying to fear monger people into their way of thinking. Yet, the founding fathers warned us against allowing people to do this to us and we still feed it with all kinds of support for what they are doing. Even your response feeds into the fear mongering because it supports one side over the other. How can we bring sanity back into our otherwise insane world and government?
 
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how do we combat the insanity that is our world today? Let's take the media for example, no matter where you turn, someone is trying to fear monger people into their way of thinking. Yet, the founding fathers warned us against allowing people to do this to us and we still feed it with all kinds of support for what they are doing. Even your response feeds into the fear mongering because it supports one side over the other. How can we bring sanity back into our otherwise insane world and government?

All you can do is stop listening to the media. Yup. No more news. No more paper. No more conspiracy shows. Basically just become a non-crazy person and just live life and enjoy your family.
I stay away from all of that.
 
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All you can do is stop listening to the media. Yup. No more news. No more paper. No more conspiracy shows. Basically just become a non-crazy person and just live life and enjoy your family.
I stay away from all of that.
chuckling....not sure that is enough, but can't say it doesn't help.

Some years ago, my father and I got involved in a political discussion, which was really rare. Anyway, he said, "voting the lesser of two evils has kept us speaking English rather than German." Unfortunately I think many people follow that advice, just postpone the inevitable by voting the lesser of two evils and hold your nose to the stink that comes with the evil you have voted for. Personally I find that terrible advice and the reason that today, when it comes to the insanity of our world I personally feel somewhat like it is all hopeless at this point, that is, that it can't be saved because we are so far removed from reason.

We need media to inform us, but we don't need them to tell us who to vote for, what to believe and think, etc. We need to restore liberty, logic, reason, common sense to our lives. We live in the information world, but we need to scrutinize that information and become educated rather than simply being drones that go through life without a clue what we are believing and why. We need to study, not what we are told to study, but everything we can get our hands on. We need to value one another more than we value not being called names for standing for what is right. We need to understand the constitution and why it was created and how or if it should be changed rather than simply letting people tell us that it needs changes and what they want to change it to. We need to study history and what has and has not worked in the past and from that take lessons not take our lessons from the professors who have an agenda. We need to start thinking for ourselves, using the mind we were given and start being a people of reason rather than mindless followers of whoever makes the best emotional plea....at least, that is my way of seeing things.
 
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We need media to inform us, but we don't need them to tell us who to vote for, what to believe and think, etc. We need to restore liberty, logic, reason, common sense to our lives. We live in the information world, but we need to scrutinize that information and become educated rather than simply being drones that go through life without a clue what we are believing and why. We need to study, not what we are told to study, but everything we can get our hands on. We need to value one another more than we value not being called names for standing for what is right. We need to understand the constitution and why it was created and how or if it should be changed rather than simply letting people tell us that it needs changes and what they want to change it to. We need to study history and what has and has not worked in the past and from that take lessons not take our lessons from the professors who have an agenda. We need to start thinking for ourselves, using the mind we were given and start being a people of reason rather than mindless followers of whoever makes the best emotional plea....at least, that is my way of seeing things.

That's pretty much what the secular socialist democracies like the Scandinavian countries and Australia/New Zealand etc have been doing for the past couple of generations. It's sometimes called progress :)
 
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They know they appeal to the right and some folks are superstitious and easy to convince that Obama is ready to round up the Christians and put them in Fema camps.
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Surely not relatively sane people, though? And are you saying such people actually fear the President?
 
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That's pretty much what the secular socialist democracies like the Scandinavian countries and Australia/New Zealand etc have been doing for the past couple of generations. It's sometimes called progress :)
They have been educating people? Rather than telling them what to believe? Interesting, can you back up your claim?
 
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did you think about getting them to a doctor?
lol...one had already been, long long long story....but as a general rule, my theory is, "not my circus, not my monkeys in fact one family member tried to accuse us of being another Ruby Ridge and we don't even own a gun, just now got to move to the country and don't really have radical ideas at all, just quiet, keep to ourselves and live life the best we can, helping when we can, not caring about what others do as long as no one is hurt.

IOW's everything I just said could be manipulated into something it isn't, but the point is, we are not extremists in any way shape or form. Closest we come to extremist is middle ground on most things and even that isn't something we try to push on others.
 
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Yes. I live in one of these countries.
so, what education are they doing of the history of different governments and government programs that works and those that don't, can you please give a couple of specifics that are being taught from a historical standpoint? Thanks
 
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