The cronicles of Narnia: The Lion, the witch and the wardrobe...ending(spoilers)

[vipertaja]

Warning, spoiler about the ending!




I'm not sure where to put this...but in a way I see how Ethics and
Morality has to do with it.

One thing I noticed when I saw the movie was the ending and I
wondered if someone could explain it to me.

I was waiting for a big climax and it was looking good with the sword
fight and all, but IIRC the white witch basically only had about time
to turn around and crap her pants (dress) as Aslan jumped her while
she was still fighting the boy. This I saw as pretty unfair considering
they were the "good guys" of the "cleanest kind" so to speak. The
only excuse I could imagine is if she would have been too strong for
Aslan to take on one on one.

Just curious as to why it was done like that and if the scene in the
book was similar or if it was changed for the movie.

 

[flicka]

Wish I could help. I thought the whole story was weak. Those kids were annoying too.

 

[vipertaja]

Wish I could help. I thought the whole story was weak. Those kids were annoying too.

Yeah, it wasn't exactly a masterpiece, I admit. The kids were a bit
irritating and some behaviour and plot twists seemed a bit too obvious
concidering the christian origins, but it was watchable.

There is also the whole santa dealing out weapons issue but let's not
even get into that.

 

[Electric Skeptic]

It wasn't the greatest movie, but it was a good adaptation of the book, IMO. The book was simply not that good.

 

[vipertaja]

So, the ending...anyone? Any thoughts on that? Is it dramatic to have the "main good guy" suprise attack his nemesis without a warning while she's still in a fight with someone else? Isn't that what a cowardly villain would do instead?

 

[redMountian]

It seemed to me more like Aslan was just coming to the boy's aid when the boy needed his help.

 

[vipertaja]

It seemed to me more like Aslan was just coming to the boy's aid when the boy needed his help.

Then he could have jumped down and screamed "you fight me!" in
his best Bruce Lee impersonation. Besides, for a newbie the boy was
doing remarkably well against an age old sorceress general.

Right now Aslan gave her no chance while she fought the boy one on
one (and I think the boy actually sought her out and challenged
her but I might be wrong on that). It's akin to stabbing her in the
back from Aslan's part. Or taking her down with a sniper rifle.

Sure it got the job done as was shown, but involved cheating in a
sense. She fought people face to face and it would have been more
dramatic had Aslan done so as well IMO. Or was the lady too strong
for the furry Jesus?

 

[flicka]

It seems Aslan needed some help. Perhaps he couldn't win any other way?

 

[Sabina41]

The attack on the White Witch is just as quick in the book. Aslan comes over the hill and attacks the Witch in all of 3 sentences. Personally I have no issue with Aslan ending the battle so quickly. The children may have been holding off the bad guy (and if they're in a country where animals talk and griffins, unicorns and giants exist is it so hard to believe the children would learn to fight?) but they're presence in Narnia was just the symbol that the evil times would end. It was Aslan who was prophesied to actually "do" the ending of the evil times.

 

[Eudaimonist]

The children may have been holding off the bad guy ... but they're presence in Narnia was just the symbol that the evil times would end. It was Aslan who was prophesied to actually "do" the ending of the evil times.

Hm, it makes the presence of the children in Narnia all... rather meaningless.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[vipertaja]

The attack on the White Witch is just as quick in the book. Aslan comes over the hill and attacks the Witch in all of 3 sentences. Personally I have no issue with Aslan ending the battle so quickly. The children may have been holding off the bad guy (and if they're in a country where animals talk and griffins, unicorns and giants exist is it so hard to believe the children would learn to fight?) but they're presence in Narnia was just the symbol that the evil times would end. It was Aslan who was prophesied to actually "do" the ending of the evil times.

Oh come on. A little struggle between the main rivals wouldn't have
hurt. The suprise resurrection & backstab is what bad guys do. And
maybe some less honourable anti hero types. The good guy that
follows "the rules" and encourages fair play should know how
cowardly an attack like that is. Hell even the white witch seemed to
follow these concepts even though she was the coldblooded killer!
Basically the boy had to take care of the fighting and then Aslan
just assassinated her at the end.

It is good that they kept it accurate with the book though all in all
then, even though it was a disappointing twist for me. If it was written
that way then I respect the filmmakers for not meddling with it like
was done with the return of the king movie. That one would have been
close enough to perfect had they not chosen to tamper with the ending.

 

[redMountian]

Oh come on. A little struggle between the main rivals wouldn't have
hurt. The suprise resurrection & backstab is what bad guys do. And
maybe some less honourable anti hero types. The good guy that
follows "the rules" and encourages fair play should know how
cowardly an attack like that is. Hell even the white witch seemed to
follow these concepts even though she was the coldblooded killer!
Basically the boy had to take care of the fighting and then Aslan
just assassinated her at the end.

It is good that they kept it accurate with the book though all in all
then, even though it was a disappointing twist for me. If it was written
that way then I respect the filmmakers for not meddling with it like
was done with the return of the king movie. That one would have been
close enough to perfect had they not chosen to tamper with the ending.

Narnia is a kids movie and a kids book series. LOTR isn't.

 

[The_Horses_Boy]

Warning, spoiler about the ending!




I'm not sure where to put this...but in a way I see how Ethics and
Morality has to do with it.

One thing I noticed when I saw the movie was the ending and I
wondered if someone could explain it to me.

I was waiting for a big climax and it was looking good with the sword
fight and all, but IIRC the white witch basically only had about time
to turn around and crap her pants (dress) as Aslan jumped her while
she was still fighting the boy. This I saw as pretty unfair considering
they were the "good guys" of the "cleanest kind" so to speak. The
only excuse I could imagine is if she would have been too strong for
Aslan to take on one on one.

Just curious as to why it was done like that and if the scene in the
book was similar or if it was changed for the movie.

It's supposed to be an allegory to the life of Jesus Christ. Being the good guy hardly means that you want to see a fair fight, and even if it did was the white witch vs. Edmund a fair fight? No.

Aslan=Jesus
Witch=Satan
Edmund=just another boy who has fallen to "the Dark Side" and is struggling

that should help clear it up.

 

[Chajara]

Yeah, I figure it's a kid's sort of thing and there was already plenty of violence before the witch died. Personally, I thought it a fitting end to her, since she was so smug about killing Aslan earlier.

Of course, I also died laughing when Susan put an arrow through that little dwarf thing that followed her around. I hated that thing so much throughout the whole movie and call me a sadist but that one shot made me laugh like crazy. Actually, I still grin like a fool every time I see it.

 

[The_Horses_Boy]

Yeah, I figure it's a kid's sort of thing and there was already plenty of violence before the witch died. Personally, I thought it a fitting end to her, since she was so smug about killing Aslan earlier.

Of course, I also died laughing when Susan put an arrow through that little dwarf thing that followed her around. I hated that thing so much throughout the whole movie and call me a sadist but that one shot made me laugh like crazy. Actually, I still grin like a fool every time I see it.

You didn't laugh because you're a sadist, man, you laughed because it was absolutely hilarious!

 

[vipertaja]

Narnia is a kids movie and a kids book series. LOTR isn't.

True, though I don't see what that has to do with anything.

 

[vipertaja]

It's supposed to be an allegory to the life of Jesus Christ. Being the good guy hardly means that you want to see a fair fight, and even if it did was the white witch vs. Edmund a fair fight? No.

Aslan=Jesus
Witch=Satan
Edmund=just another boy who has fallen to "the Dark Side" and is struggling

that should help clear it up.

Oh, but the white witch is the bad one as you said. She could have
snuck up on Aslan and killed him just fine being evil and all, but she
had him surrender (though he knew a loophole that spared him of
course). "Bad guys" have no such restrictions unless they choose
so. However good guys do have them if they want to remain
squeaky clean. It just seemed a bit...empty...to have him just pounce
on her all of a sudden while she's all busy doing something else.

Only thing I could think of is that she was so powerful he had to use
that tactic or something.

 

[TheMissus]

Perhaps the people involved in the film lost focus of the Christian allegory, and just wanted a sweet movie moment.

 

[vipertaja]

Perhaps the people involved in the film lost focus of the Christian allegory, and just wanted a sweet movie moment.

Well, somebody implied it was the same in the book so in fact it would
be an accurate portrayal of it...whether it in turn is accurate portrayal of
christian allegory is another thing. I can't say. I considered reading the
books at one time myself but so far I have not.

 

[ebia]

Maybe the idea that killing someone is somehow better if done in a "fair fight" rather than quickly with minimum fuss isn't an assumption that Lewis shared.