Note: DO NOT BLAME MUSLIMS! -
but critique the evil and evil elements of the ideology of Islam.
The Critiques of Islam versus Muslim Apologists
After a serious study the scriptures of Islam (Qur’an, Sahih Hadith, Sira, the Four Jurists, and most renowned Tafsir) and from reviewing Islam's 1400+ years of history, it is quite obvious the ideology of Islam (Shar’ia), is uncompromising toward non-Muslims – inherently malignant, hateful, violent, and evil in its core ethos. Considering this evidence, we must recognize that Islam Ideology is a disease that causes an unrelenting evil plague upon the earth that will not rest until the all religion is Islam alone. Islam has "good" elements but that is confined to Muslims only.
When critiqued, Muslims and Muslim apologists will resort to all sorts of deflections, rhetoric, bad logic, amateurish arguments to portray Islam is a peaceful religion. The purpose of this deception (Taqyah) is to prevent hostility from unbelievers (to placate unbelievers) as Islam cleverly carries out its perpetual Jihad (physical, political and social) against all unbelievers and their nations and laws, with the ultimate goal of bringing the world under Shar’ia.
A summary of points related the above can be found in this thread and is summarized below;
Do Not Bash Muslims
A. Premises and argument of The Critiques of Islam
To justify why the ideology of Islam at its core is inherently uncompromising and violent to non-Muslims consider the following sequential premises:
1) The main focus/purpose of Islam Jihad is to make Islam the only religion on earth, with Sharia replacing all infidel law and culture. This Jihad objective is historically rooted in Islam's core Scriptures [imperative upon all Muslims] with an inherently malignant, evil and violent ethos. All non-Muslims are to be fought and subjugated simply because they refuse to believe in the religion of Islam. . .
2) This evil and violent ethos is supported by the loads of evil and violent elements within a core strategy of Jihad in stages until the whole world is one religion - Islam. Historically, Jihad includes the subjugation, enslaving, pillaging, destruction or conversion of unbelievers (infidels), with the goal of Shar'ia replacing all infidel laws and culture.
3) These evil and violent elements of Jihad against unbelievers “had,” “has” and “will” influence and compel a critical 'SOME' of evil prone Muslims to commit terrible evil and violent acts upon non-Muslims. The motive or reward for Islamic Jihad are
4) There is a natural percentile of evil prone Muslims [conservatively 20% to probable 80%] who are born with an active tendency of a range of degrees to commit evil and violent acts.
5) The percentile of Evil prone Muslims [they have professed their faith via shahada] are essentially Muslims. Based on the concept of Takfir, no Muslim can accuse another Muslim as an disbeliever except for what a devout Muslim perceives as hypocrisy.
6. The Evil prone Muslims [ point 4, 5], when exposed to the core teachings of traditional Islam’s [2] scriptures, will naturally be triggered to commit terrible and range of evil and violent acts as a religious duty in the name of Islam. The consequences are glaring and evident within Islam’s 1400+ years of history. To this day we see large numbers of terror, evil and violent acts committed by evil prone Muslims around the world, i.e. those of Al Qaeda, IS, Boko Haram, others, lone wolf(s) who justify their acts by quoting verses from their scriptures.
7) The evil and violent ethos of Islam (rooted in Islam’s Core Scriptures) [1] and the consequential and potential terrible evil and violent acts are a threat to humanity at present and in the future… Islam’s Core Scriptures are, therefore, the destructive force behind the ideology of Islam with its universal strategy of Jihad against all unbelievers.
8) Therefore primary attention must be directed to the ideology of Islam to resolve the potential threat of evil and violence to humanity.
Islam’s Core Scriptures are the foundation for the violent ideology of Islam against all unbelievers, apostates, and hypocrites - a universal and everlasting worldwide Jihad until Islam is the only religion.
B. The Muslim and Muslim Apologist’s counter the above with the following premises;
1. Muslim Apologist: The terrible evil and violent acts are not attributable to Islam and ordinary Muslims but only to the extremists.
[this is debunked, re Dr. Bales and others]. JosephZ had agreed with this but very conditionally.
2. Muslim Apologist: The extremists are not practicing Islam.
[this is debunked by Islam's core scriptures of which all Islam's Caliphs, and main Jurists and Tafsir clearly utilize as their authority to carry out worldwide Jihad against unbelievers, hypocrites and apostates throughout Islam's 1400 + year history].
3. Muslim Apologist: What is Islam is practiced by the majority of Muslims who do not commit evil and violent acts upon non-Muslims.
[debunked re ad populum fallacy]. The majority are merely devotees and lay-Muslims who are ignorant of what is truly Islam in accordance to its core scriptures.
4. Muslim Apologist: Who is a Muslim is self-defined by anyone who claim to be a Muslims and not one who must adhere 100% to the core scriptures.
[this contradict the definition of Allah's definition of Who is a Muslim in the Quran] Point is a person is a Muslim as long as he has professed his faith via the Shahada and make the attempt to practice the 5 pillars of Islam to the best of his abilities.
5. Muslim Apologist: Critics of Islam like Robert Spencer, Bill Warner, David Wood, Christian Prince, and others always rely on anti-Islam propagandist sites. These sites has been listed as hate sites by the SPLC. It is evident these serious critiques of Islam relied on the original scriptures of Islam, the tafsir by Islamic scholars and experts.
6. Muslim Apologist: Islamic related terrorist acts represent a small % of ALL terrorists acts around the world.
The Muslims apologist will often deflect the issue to only terrorists acts that are notable but overlook the whole range of evil and violent committed by the evil prone Muslims.
7. [Edited To Add]Muslim Apologist: All the warring verses are meant to be historical and confined to the specific period, i.e. in the 7th century.
The Quran is meant to be an eternal guideline for all Muslim to apply in similar situations at any time offensively and defensively. Most Muslims at the least agree they are for defense purposes at anytime.
The above is only summary of the points raised, the details are posted in the other thread.
Do Not Bash Muslims
As can be seen above, the Muslims and Muslim apologists do not have any defense to insist the ideology of Islam is peaceful to non-Muslims.
There are many verses in the Quran that exhort Muslims to do good, but those are only for the Muslims themselves and not applicable to non-Muslims.
There are some verses [Mecca] which are seemingly peaceful to non-Muslims but these very few rare verses are conditional and abrogated by the more evil and violent verses from the Medinian period.
Views?
but critique the evil and evil elements of the ideology of Islam.
The Critiques of Islam versus Muslim Apologists
After a serious study the scriptures of Islam (Qur’an, Sahih Hadith, Sira, the Four Jurists, and most renowned Tafsir) and from reviewing Islam's 1400+ years of history, it is quite obvious the ideology of Islam (Shar’ia), is uncompromising toward non-Muslims – inherently malignant, hateful, violent, and evil in its core ethos. Considering this evidence, we must recognize that Islam Ideology is a disease that causes an unrelenting evil plague upon the earth that will not rest until the all religion is Islam alone. Islam has "good" elements but that is confined to Muslims only.
When critiqued, Muslims and Muslim apologists will resort to all sorts of deflections, rhetoric, bad logic, amateurish arguments to portray Islam is a peaceful religion. The purpose of this deception (Taqyah) is to prevent hostility from unbelievers (to placate unbelievers) as Islam cleverly carries out its perpetual Jihad (physical, political and social) against all unbelievers and their nations and laws, with the ultimate goal of bringing the world under Shar’ia.
A summary of points related the above can be found in this thread and is summarized below;
Do Not Bash Muslims
A. Premises and argument of The Critiques of Islam
To justify why the ideology of Islam at its core is inherently uncompromising and violent to non-Muslims consider the following sequential premises:
1) The main focus/purpose of Islam Jihad is to make Islam the only religion on earth, with Sharia replacing all infidel law and culture. This Jihad objective is historically rooted in Islam's core Scriptures [imperative upon all Muslims] with an inherently malignant, evil and violent ethos. All non-Muslims are to be fought and subjugated simply because they refuse to believe in the religion of Islam. . .
Qur’an 61:9 He [Allah] it is who hath sent His messenger with the guidance [HDY: hudā] and the religion [wadeeni i.e Islam] of truth, that He may make it conqueror [ZHR: liyuẓ'hirahu; prevail] of all religion [alddeeni] however much idolaters [l-mush'rikūna: infidels] may be averse [kariha: dislike].
Qur'an 9:29 Fight against those who (1) believe not in Allah, (2) nor in the Last Day, (3) nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger (4) and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islam) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.
Qur'an 9:29 Fight against those who (1) believe not in Allah, (2) nor in the Last Day, (3) nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger (4) and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islam) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.
2) This evil and violent ethos is supported by the loads of evil and violent elements within a core strategy of Jihad in stages until the whole world is one religion - Islam. Historically, Jihad includes the subjugation, enslaving, pillaging, destruction or conversion of unbelievers (infidels), with the goal of Shar'ia replacing all infidel laws and culture.
3) These evil and violent elements of Jihad against unbelievers “had,” “has” and “will” influence and compel a critical 'SOME' of evil prone Muslims to commit terrible evil and violent acts upon non-Muslims. The motive or reward for Islamic Jihad are
- the divine promise of eternal reward to satisfy basic sensual pleasures,
- temporal prestige and reward of riches and sex slaves.
4) There is a natural percentile of evil prone Muslims [conservatively 20% to probable 80%] who are born with an active tendency of a range of degrees to commit evil and violent acts.
What is ‘evil’ is any act that is negative to the well being of the individual and humanity.
Evil acts come in range from low [petty crimes, lies] 10/100 to high [genocide] 90/100.
Evil acts come in range from low [petty crimes, lies] 10/100 to high [genocide] 90/100.
5) The percentile of Evil prone Muslims [they have professed their faith via shahada] are essentially Muslims. Based on the concept of Takfir, no Muslim can accuse another Muslim as an disbeliever except for what a devout Muslim perceives as hypocrisy.
Takfir or takfeer (Arabic: تكفير takfīr) .. denoting excommunication, as one Muslim declaring another Muslim as a non-believer (kafir).-wiki
6. The Evil prone Muslims [ point 4, 5], when exposed to the core teachings of traditional Islam’s [2] scriptures, will naturally be triggered to commit terrible and range of evil and violent acts as a religious duty in the name of Islam. The consequences are glaring and evident within Islam’s 1400+ years of history. To this day we see large numbers of terror, evil and violent acts committed by evil prone Muslims around the world, i.e. those of Al Qaeda, IS, Boko Haram, others, lone wolf(s) who justify their acts by quoting verses from their scriptures.
7) The evil and violent ethos of Islam (rooted in Islam’s Core Scriptures) [1] and the consequential and potential terrible evil and violent acts are a threat to humanity at present and in the future… Islam’s Core Scriptures are, therefore, the destructive force behind the ideology of Islam with its universal strategy of Jihad against all unbelievers.
8) Therefore primary attention must be directed to the ideology of Islam to resolve the potential threat of evil and violence to humanity.
Islam’s Core Scriptures are the foundation for the violent ideology of Islam against all unbelievers, apostates, and hypocrites - a universal and everlasting worldwide Jihad until Islam is the only religion.
B. The Muslim and Muslim Apologist’s counter the above with the following premises;
1. Muslim Apologist: The terrible evil and violent acts are not attributable to Islam and ordinary Muslims but only to the extremists.
[this is debunked, re Dr. Bales and others]. JosephZ had agreed with this but very conditionally.
2. Muslim Apologist: The extremists are not practicing Islam.
[this is debunked by Islam's core scriptures of which all Islam's Caliphs, and main Jurists and Tafsir clearly utilize as their authority to carry out worldwide Jihad against unbelievers, hypocrites and apostates throughout Islam's 1400 + year history].
3. Muslim Apologist: What is Islam is practiced by the majority of Muslims who do not commit evil and violent acts upon non-Muslims.
[debunked re ad populum fallacy]. The majority are merely devotees and lay-Muslims who are ignorant of what is truly Islam in accordance to its core scriptures.
Note:
We have no idea how many Muslims in the West are supporters of Jihadists.
Many other Muslims are presently being fundamentally indoctrinated in Mosques and terrorist supporting Islamic Organizations being installed all over the USA and Europe for the past 50 years at least.
Many Muslims (and the numbers are increasing due to re-indoctrination) are presently just biding their time (silent supporters) until the next Caliph arrives to order them to fight – A silent Jihad army within our walls waiting to be commanded.
We have no idea how many Muslims in the West are supporters of Jihadists.
Many other Muslims are presently being fundamentally indoctrinated in Mosques and terrorist supporting Islamic Organizations being installed all over the USA and Europe for the past 50 years at least.
Many Muslims (and the numbers are increasing due to re-indoctrination) are presently just biding their time (silent supporters) until the next Caliph arrives to order them to fight – A silent Jihad army within our walls waiting to be commanded.
4. Muslim Apologist: Who is a Muslim is self-defined by anyone who claim to be a Muslims and not one who must adhere 100% to the core scriptures.
[this contradict the definition of Allah's definition of Who is a Muslim in the Quran] Point is a person is a Muslim as long as he has professed his faith via the Shahada and make the attempt to practice the 5 pillars of Islam to the best of his abilities.
5. Muslim Apologist: Critics of Islam like Robert Spencer, Bill Warner, David Wood, Christian Prince, and others always rely on anti-Islam propagandist sites. These sites has been listed as hate sites by the SPLC. It is evident these serious critiques of Islam relied on the original scriptures of Islam, the tafsir by Islamic scholars and experts.
The SPLC is a very bias site and will label any views they disagree with as anti-Islam. They had even labeled Majid Nawas, a Muslim reformist as anti-Islam and was sued and they lost.
6. Muslim Apologist: Islamic related terrorist acts represent a small % of ALL terrorists acts around the world.
The Muslims apologist will often deflect the issue to only terrorists acts that are notable but overlook the whole range of evil and violent committed by the evil prone Muslims.
7. [Edited To Add]Muslim Apologist: All the warring verses are meant to be historical and confined to the specific period, i.e. in the 7th century.
The Quran is meant to be an eternal guideline for all Muslim to apply in similar situations at any time offensively and defensively. Most Muslims at the least agree they are for defense purposes at anytime.
The above is only summary of the points raised, the details are posted in the other thread.
Do Not Bash Muslims
As can be seen above, the Muslims and Muslim apologists do not have any defense to insist the ideology of Islam is peaceful to non-Muslims.
There are many verses in the Quran that exhort Muslims to do good, but those are only for the Muslims themselves and not applicable to non-Muslims.
There are some verses [Mecca] which are seemingly peaceful to non-Muslims but these very few rare verses are conditional and abrogated by the more evil and violent verses from the Medinian period.
Views?
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