I do see it and understand where your confusion lies. John says, "No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God's seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God," and also, "Let no one fool you, he who does what is right is righteous and he who does not do what is right is of the devil." Now, we can go all over the place if you prefer, but I am sure that eventually you are going to run into context after context of God teaching people not to sin, to repent, and to "sin no more." The particulars matter, true, but it is all the same and summed up well in many places.
here is the problem YOU have. John was not teaching the sermon on the mount in mat 5 Jesus was. You quote Jesus not john, and in this case perfection of God is defined by Jesus as forgiveness, not living sin free.
Nothing else you said here is relevent in any way. All I get from you is smoke and mirrors. when I checked you for misquoting all you have produced is smoke and mirrors. (evasion and deception in such a way as to take emphasis off of what you actually did and replace it with a sermon as your reason why... as if your good it great enough it is ok to misrepresent the bible intentionally if you don't call it that... come on man you were caught red highhandedly time to make amends and stop this cat and mouse stuff.
Fact 1
Jesus produced the quote you cut out of context. (not john or anyone else, so quoting them is a red herring)
Fact 2 you preach to me a sermon on living a sin free life and used Jesus' quote to give your sermon authority.
Fact 3 you misused the quote by inferring the quote says live sin free as your father in heaven is sin free. The Quote is explained by Jesus again refers to forgiveness being the type of perfection we are called to NOT living sin free life.
fact 4 Jesus never intended to communicate to us in that passage to live a sin free life. no where in that paragraph or in the rest of what is referred to as the sermon on the mount is that messaged conveyed.
if your idea of living a sin free life was indeed something we are called to do then why didn't jesus use this quote and this opportunity as you tried to do?
It all relates. Remember that Jesus is teaching people, so when he brings his sermon to a close with these words, do you really think it only applies to what he is very specifically saying at the moment?
kinda has too sport.. don't ya think?!? because how else would the people standing there have any other idea of what was going on?
Does your preacher regularly close this Sundays sermon with a lesson to be taught by a sub pastor at a future time? That would not be a summary. that would not eve make sense. two different men speaking at two separate times and one summarizing a message not given yet... Jesus carefully measured out a senerio gave a command and connected the dots has to how his father's perfection fitted the senerio and how we fit in to those dots. So when Jesus summed up everything he said about his father it would have to be in the context of the passage he was speaking about. how stupid would it have been to go on and on about forgiveness and then sum up on a subject not mention throughout the whole sermon?!?! That is what you are suggesting here!
Where is the common sense in that?
Christ specifically gave us a command in this passage and then defined how this command was to be carried out. If the bible is any more cryptic than that for you then the God of the bible could very well be lost forever to you.
why? because when you allow yourself to rewrite the bible (give yourself permission because "Jesus was not just talking about the sermon on the mount when he was preaching the sermon on the mount, but john talks about perfection so when jesus doesn't ever mention perfection in this passage he means perfection!"
Come on! You got to know deep down that is wrong!! Not to mention you miss out on key principles for the man made doctrines you are building. don't you get when you ignore this bit on forgiveness when you take the importance Christ put on a subject away, so you can use it to enforce your idea of how important living a perfect life is! Then what Christ said about forgiveness has for been taken out of the bible forever! Now you have to be perfect! because your version of God does not forgive readily and or completely.
put another way:
Do you understand you took the level 10 importance away from Jesus own words on forgiveness and applied it to perfection..
If Jesus wanted level 10 perfection then why did he not award perfection level 10 status when he had the chance? (in the way way you did?)
Rather he gave that level 10 to forgiveness which is lost to you, and all who listen to your version of this passage.. now what if, forgiveness in Jesus' mind (for some reason) is more important than living perfectly?
What if... Jesus put that level 10 accent on forgiveness because to the God of the bible it is more important than living perfect?
Do you see what I mean when I say you could be lost forever to the God of the bible?
Because you took emphasis off of what Jesus Christ Himself commanded to put it on, and placed it on your own work/your own understanding your own doctrinal importance... His message is lost.
Just look at the rest of what you have wrote. where do you even make an allowance anywhere near as Great for forgiveness as Jesus did? everything that carry weight with you is perfection. for you here and now speaking on this part of the sermon on the mount, forgiveness... is lost to you.
Now what if.. the God of the bible's biggest thing is forgiveness even over perfection. then the God of the bible is also lost to you.
know does not stop here, now every story every parable will also have a perfection slant, because you think you worship a God who demands perfection when nothing can be further from the truth.
In truth perfection is unobtainable, no man can ever boast of perfection.
So what of sin?
When we are born again it means according to Paul we become two beings interned into one body. you have the old sinful self who was born into sin and we have the new man in Christ.
This new being must learn to hate sin. this new man can indeed never accept sin or want anything to do with sin and this new man can even exist refusing to take part in sin. That said the old sinful self according to the same Paul in the same book of Romans tells us the old sinful man is a slave to sin and will sin every day to the day it dies.
but until then even Paul in Romans 7 tells us he is a hopeless sinner and will be bound to sin till God takes him home. Now if Paul is bound to sin what makes you think you are better than a literal apostle?
This means the law is not what is used to judge us as followers of Christ. as Christ Himself has boild the law down to two commands for us under his new covenant. Agape' or love is what we are judged on. love for God and love for each other...
Now don't get me wrong, God has also made provision for those who can not live in this freedom. for those who need the law to live under God allows them to bind themselves by the law, but he does warn us that if we live this way then is it by the law you will be judged (which to me sounds impossible but who am I right?)
again all I am saying is you mis quoted mat 5 I don't care why you think you are allowed to do this. Because in the end you said mat 5 says X when in fact it does not.
If you are one to live by the law then know you are breaking it by changing the word of God... even if it is for a 'good reason' it is still forbidden to change even a letter, you have changed a whole supposition. don't look now but that takes you off the perfect list... but if only there was forgiveness in your version of God, perfect forgiveness kinda like how God is perfect, then it would be ok to misunderstand or misquote God.
