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Featured THE COVENANTS AND THE 10 COMMANDMENTS ARE YOU CONFUSED?

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  1. LoveGodsWord

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    Hi all, this is an interesting topic and worth your time and consideration.

    Do you know what the OLD COVENANT is? If we do not know what the OLD COVENANT is how can you know what it is pointing to in the NEW COVENANT?

    Some think that the OLD COVENANT is only the 10 Commandments. While this is true, if there is more to what made up the OLD COVENANT, is this only telling half the story? If your understanding of the scriptures is that only the 10 Commandments are the OLD COVENANT, then can it effect your interpretation of the NEW TESTAMENT scriptures if there is more to what makes up the OLD COVENANT? ABSOLUTELY!

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    So, what makes up the OLD COVENANT? Let’s see what God’s WORD says.

    The OLD COVENANT included both God's LAW (10 Commandments [words] * Exodus 34:28), and the Mosaic BOOK of the covenant (Exodus 24:7). Both God's 10 Commandments and the Mosaic book of the covenant held a different purpose in the OLD COVENANT. God's 10 Commandments were to give us a KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN AND RIGHTOUESNESS (Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; James 2:9-11; 1 John 3:4; Psalms 119:172) while the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT held the laws for remission [FORGIVENESS] of sin if God's 10 commandments were broken [Leviticus 1-16]. Both were housed with the ARK of the COVENANT [HOUSE OF THE COVENANT] that collectively made up the OLD COVENANT (Deuteronomy 10:5; Deuteronomy 31:26).

    Some try to make up the story that God's 10 Commandments alone are the OLD COVENANT. This is only telling half the story and causes confusion as to what laws are being referred to in the NEW TESTAMENT and why many do not understand what the NEW COVENANT is.

    It is the SHADOW laws from the MOSIAC BOOK OF THE COVENANT that are fulfilled in Christ and under the NEW COVENANT there is no more sacrifices for sins required from the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE law/COVENANT for FORGIVENESS. God's LAW (10 Commandments) are now applied in the SPIRIT and unless our righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the Scribes and the Pharisees we will in no wise enter into the KINGDOM of Heaven.

    Yep we need a new HEART by being BORN AGAIN to LOVE *HEBREWS 8:10-12; ROMANS 13:8-10; 1 JOHN 3:3-10. This is the NEW COVENANT. God's 10 Commandment have the same role they always had and that is the knowledge of SIN if broken and the standard of RIGHTOUESNESS if obeyed *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSLAMS 119:172.

    HEBREWS 10:1-19
    [1], For the law having a SHADOW of good things to come, and not the very image of the things [WHAT LAW WAS A SHADOW?], can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the ones approaching perfect.
    [2], For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because the worshipers once purged should have had no more consciousness of sins.
    [3], But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year [Day of Atonement] *Leviticus 23:27-32.
    [4], For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
    [5], Therefore when he comes into the world, he says, Sacrifice and offering you desired not, but a body have you prepared me:
    [6], In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin you have had no pleasure.
    [7], Then said I, Lo, I COME IN THE VOLUME OF THE BOOK IT IS WRITTEN OF ME, to do your will, O God.

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    NOTE:
    What are the Shadow laws of the OLD COVENANT? IT is those from the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT v7 is a reference to...

    EXODUS 24:7 [7], And he took the BOOK OF THE COVENANT, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the LORD has said will we do, and be obedient.

    DEUTERONOMY 29:21 [21], And the LORD shall separate him to evil out of all the tribes of Israel, according to all the curses of the COVENANT THAT ARE WRITTEN IN THIS BOOK OF THE LAW.

    DEUTERONOMY 31:26 [26], Take this BOOK OF THE LAW, and put it in the SIDE OF THE ARK OF THE COVENANT of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against you.

    2 KINGS 23:2 [2], And the king went up into the house of the LORD, and all the men of Judah and all the inhabitants of Jerusalem with him, and the priests, and the prophets, and all the people, both small and great: and HE READ IN THEIR EARS ALL THE WORDS OF THE BOOK OF THE COVENANT which was found in the house of the LORD.

    2 KINGS 23:3 [3], And the king stood by a pillar, and made a covenant before the LORD, to walk after the LORD, and to keep his commandments and his testimonies and his statutes with all their heart and all their soul, TO PERFORM THE WORDS OF THIS COVENANT THAT WERE WRITTEN IN THIS BOOK. And all the people stood to the covenant.

    2 KINGS 23:21 [21], And the king commanded all the people, saying, KEEP THE PASSOVER OF THE LORD your God, AS IT IS WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF THIS COVENANT.

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    Continuing..

    [8], Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin you desired not, neither had pleasure in them; WHICH ARE OFFERED BY THE LAW; [MOSIAC BOOK OF THE COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7]
    [9], Then said he, Lo, I come to do your will, O God. He takes away the first, that he may establish the second.

    NOTE: NEW COVENANT NO MORE ANIMAL SACRIFICES from the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE LAW

    [10], By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
    [11], And every priest stands daily ministering and offering frequently the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
    [12], But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down on the right hand of God;
    [13], From then on waiting till his enemies be made his footstool.
    [14], For by one offering he has perfected forever them that are sanctified.
    [15], The Holy Spirit also is a witness to us: for after this he had said before,
    [16], This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
    [17], And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
    [18], Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
    [19], Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,

    NOTE: The NEW COVENANT is NO MORE SHADOW LAWS from the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT (Exodus 24:7) God's LAW is to be written in a NEW HEART TO LOVE * ROMANS 13:8-10.

    ……………..

    CONCLUSION: The OLD COVENANT is made up of 1. God’s LAW (10 Commandments) and the Shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT. Both laws had a difference purpose under the OLD COVENANT. God’s 10 Commandments have the same role they always had and that is to point out what sin is and the standard of righteousness, while the SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT pointed to Christ as our true sacrifice for sin and God’s plan of salvation from sin under the NEW COVENANT.

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    Ok friends in Christ, open for discussion what are your thoughts?

    May God bless you as you seek him through his WORD :wave:
     
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    DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE OLD AND NEW COVENANT

    The OLD COVENANT was written on two tables of stone *EXODUS 34:28 and included the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7. The NEW COVENANT is written in the heart to LOVE (Hebrews 8:10-12; Romans 13:8-10; Matthew 22:36-40) God's LAW on stone brings us to the NEW COVENANT in the SPIRIT (Galatians 3:22-25; 2 Corinthians 3:3-11; Hebrews 8:10-12; Matthew 22:36-40; Romans 13:8-10; James 2:8-11). No more shadow laws of sin offeringd that pointed to Christ and God's plan of salvation under the NEW COVENANT
     
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    Why? The controversy is that people think that ONLY God's 10 commandments are the OLD COVENANT which is only half the story of what the OLD COVENANT is. Do you think that the OLD COVENANT is ONLY the 10 Commandments?
     
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    Hi Jeff nice to see you again. Good points we can only know the truth of God's WORD if we continue in it seeking Jesus through his Spirit *JOHN 8:31; JOHN 14:26.

    Thanks Jeff nice to see you.
     
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    Hi all,

    The point of this thread is that if there is more to what people think the OLD COVENANT is and that the OLD COVENANT is both 1. God's eternal law of the 10 commandments and the SHADOW laws from the 2. MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT it shows that God's 10 commandments are still the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD AND EVIL; SIN AND RIGTEOUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; PSALMS 119:172 and that we will all be judged by them and those who KNOWLINGLY CONTINUE to break any one of them will not enter into God's KINGDOM *HEBREWS 10:26-27 *ACTS 17:30-31
     
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    THE SHADOW LAWS FROM THE MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT POINTING TO CHRIST IN THE NEW.

    EXODUS 24:7 [7] And he took the BOOK OF THE COVENANT, and read in the hearing of the people: and they said, All that the LORD has said will we do, and be obedient.

    DEUTERONOMY 31:26 [26] TAKE THIS BOOK OF THE LAW, and put it in the side of the ark of the COVENANT of the LORD your God, that it may be there FOR A WITNESS AGAINST THEE.

    DEUTERONOMY 29:21 [21] And the LORD shall separate him unto evil out of all the tribes of Israel, ACCORDING TO ALL THE CURSES OF THE COVENANT that are WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF THE LAW.

    EXODUS 24:7 [7], And he took the BOOK OF THE COVENANT, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the LORD has said will we do, and be obedient.

    DEUTERONOMY 29:21 [21], And the LORD shall separate him to evil out of all the tribes of Israel, according to all the curses of the COVENANT THAT ARE WRITTEN IN THIS BOOK OF THE LAW.

    DEUTERONOMY 31:26 [26], Take this BOOK OF THE LAW, and put it in the SIDE OF THE ARK OF THE COVENANT of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against you.

    2 KINGS 23:2 [2], And the king went up into the house of the LORD, and all the men of Judah and all the inhabitants of Jerusalem with him, and the priests, and the prophets, and all the people, both small and great: and HE READ IN THEIR EARS ALL THE WORDS OF THE BOOK OF THE COVENANT which was found in the house of the LORD.

    2 KINGS 23:3 [3], And the king stood by a pillar, and made a covenant before the LORD, to walk after the LORD, and to keep his commandments and his testimonies and his statutes with all their heart and all their soul, TO PERFORM THE WORDS OF THIS COVENANT THAT WERE WRITTEN IN THIS BOOK. And all the people stood to the COVENANT.

    2 KINGS 23:21 [21], And the king commanded all the people, saying, KEEP THE PASSOVER OF THE LORD your God, AS IT IS WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF THIS COVENANT.

    2 CHRONICLES 34:30 [30], And the king went up into the house of the LORD, and all the men of Judah, and the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and the priests, and the Levites, and all the people, great and small: and HE READ IN THEIR EARS ALL THE WORDS OF THE BOOK OF THE COVENANT that was found in the house of the LORD.

    2 CHRONICLES 34:31 [31] And the king stood in his place, and made a covenant before the LORD, to walk after the LORD, and to keep his commandments, and his testimonies, and his statutes, with all his heart, and with all his soul, TO PERFORM THE WORDS OF THE COVENANT WHICH ARE WRITTEN IN THE BOOK.

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    CONCLUSION *Yep, the OLD COVENANT is not just the 10 Commandments it includes the prophetic SHADOW LAWS FROM THE MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT*

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    THE SHADOW LAWS FROM MOSES POINTING TO THE NEW JESUS AND THE NEW COVENANT.

    HEBREWS 9:1 [1] Then verily THE FIRST COVENANT HAD ALSO ORDINANCES of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary. [9] Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;[10] WHICH STOOD ONLY IN MEATS AND DRINKS, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.[12] NEITHER BY THE BLOOD OF GOATS AND CALVES, BUT BY HIS OWN BLOOD he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

    EPHESIANS 2:15 [15] HAVING ABOLISHED in his flesh the enmity, even the LAW OF COMMANDMENTS CONTAINED IN ORDINANCES; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;[16] And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby

    EZEKIEL 46:14 [14] And thou shalt prepare a meat offering for it every morning, the sixth part of an ephah, and the third part of an hin of oil, to temper with the fine flour; a MEAT OFFERING continually by a perpetual ORDINANCE unto the LORD.

    NUMBERS 19:2 [2] This is the ORDINANCE OF THE LAW which the Lord hath commanded, saying, Speak unto the children of Israel, that they bring thee a red heifer without spot, wherein is no blemish, and upon which never came yoke:

    HEBREWS 10:1 [1] For THE LAW HAVING A SHADOW of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with THOSE SACRIFICES WHICH THEY OFFERED YEAR BY YEAR continually make the comers thereunto perfect.[2] For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins. [3] But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.[4] For IT IS NOT POSSIBLE THAT THE BLOOD OF BULLS AND OF GOATS SHOULD TAKE AWAY SINS.

    What laws are written on the heart in the NEW COVENANT promise? It is not the MOSAIC laws for remission of sin...

    JEREMIAH 31:31-34 [31], Behold, the days come, says the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:[32], NOT ACCORDING TO THE COVENANT THAT I MADE WITH THEIR FATHERS in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt ; MY COVENANT WHICH THEY BROKE, although I was a husband unto them, says the LORD:[33], But THIS SHALL BE MY COVENANT THAT I SHALL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISREAL; After those days, says the LORD, I WILL PUT MY LAWS IN THEIR INWARD PARTS, AND I WILL WRITE IT IN THEIR HEARTS AND THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE; [34], And they shall teach no more every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, says the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

    2 CORINTHIANS 3 [2], You are our epistle written in our hearts, known and read of all men: [3], Since you are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, WRITTEN NOT WITH INK, BUT WITH THE SPIRIT OF THE LIVING GOD; NOT IN TABLES OF STONE, BUT IN THE FLESHLY TABLES OF THE HEART. (see all of 2 COR 3)

    The NEW COVENANT promise of LOVE is God's LAW (10 Commandments) written on the heart to LOVE through faith (HEBREWS 8:10-12; ROMANS 13:8-10)

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    CONCLUSION; Jesus did not come to change or destroy GOD'S LAW (10 Commandments). It is through GOD's LAW that we have a KNOLWEDGE of what SIN is. The sabbath is still to be kept. He came to fulfil what was written of Him in the books of the law and to END the Mosaic law for remission of SIN and the penalty of SIN in those who BELIEVE

    yep it is the SHADOW laws that are fulfilled in Christ. The OLD COVENANT is made up of God's 10 Commandments and the Shadow laws in ORDINANCES from the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT.
     
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    NOT SAVED BY THE 10 COMMANDMENTS THEY LEAD US TO CHRIST AND SHOW US OUR SINS

    I do not think there is any assumptions here or that anyone believes that we are saved by trying to keep God's 10 Commandments. We are all only saved by grave through faith and not of ourselves. It is a gift of God and not of works lest any man should boast (Ephesians 2:8). The gospel however is the POWER of GOD unto salvation from sin to everyone who believes and follows God's WORD * ROMANS 1:16.

    Jesus says They that be whole need not a physician but they that are sick. I am not come to call the RIGHTEOUS but sinners to repentance, go learn what that means *MATTHEW 9:12-13.

    Jesus says; IF you continue in my WORD then are you my disciples in deed and you shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free from sin *JOHN 8:31-36. This is the difference between those who have a FORM of godliness but deny the power of GOD and those who have righteousness by faith to walk in God's Spirit *2 TIMOTHY 3:5; GALATIANS 5:15.

    This is why Jesus says truly, truly I say unto you unless a man in born again he cannot see the kingdom of heaven *JOHN 3:3-8. Those that are born again do not practice sin *1 JOHN 3:9. Those who continue in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN have neither seen him wo know him *1 JOHN 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 3:6. This is the difference between the children of God and the children of the devil *1 JOHN 3:9-10. Faith without works is dead *JAMES 2:18-20. True faith has the fruit of OBEDIENCE to God's WORD *ROMANS 13:8-10 and is why we need a NEW HEART to LOVE which is the NEW COVENANT promise *HEBREWS 8:10-12. LOVE IS THE FULFILLING of God's LAW in all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD and walk in his SPIRIT *ROMANS 13:9-10; GALATIANS 5:16; ROMANS 8:1-4.

    God's LAW only remains on letters of stone to all those who break it.
     
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    In the days of JESUS and the APOSTLES the OLD TESTAMENT scriptures were their bible. Everything we have in the NEW TESTAMENT comes from the OLD TESTAMENT together both the OLD and the NEW TESTAMENT scriptures are the two great witnesses that make up the written WORD of GOD. The key to the NEW TESTAMENT is the OLD TESTAMENT scriptures. If you have lost your key how can you open the the door to the NEW *JOHN 10:9?
     
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    THE SYMBOLISM IN BOOK OF REVELATION
    The key to interpreting the Revelation is, for the most part, the Old Testament. Period.

    One man studied and found 348 allusions (not illusions, Light) in Revelation from the Old Testament. You see the similarity in wording and the context mirrored in Revelation and the particular Old Testament story, and immediately can recognize the reference source!
    That's IF you know the Bible well enough to even notice that.


    95 of the 348 plain references used in Revelation as taken from the Old Testament are repeated in Revelation.
    That makes about 250 Old Testament passages are cited. How many chapters are in Revelation? 22. That makes about TEN OLD TESTAMENT REFERENCES FOR EVERY CHAPTER!

    Why Jerusalem is Mystically Called Sodom and Egypt
    Why Jerusalem is Mystically Called Sodom and Egypt

    Ezekiel 8:3 [Revelation 17:3]
    He stretched out the form of a hand, and took me by a lock of my hair;
    and the Spirit lifted me up between earth and heaven,
    and brought me in visions of Elohim to Jerusalem,
    to the door of the north gate of the inner court, where the seat of the image of jealousy was, which provokes to jealousy. [Revelation 17:3]


    Revelation 17:3 [Ezekiel 8:3]
    and he carried me away to a wilderness in Spirit, and I saw a Woman sitting upon a scarlet-coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns,

    Romans 2:
    23 Who in law are boasting through the transgression of the Law, the God thou are dishonoring
    24 'For the name of the God because of ye, is being blasphemed in the nations' according as it has been written.'
    [Psalm 74:10]

    Reve 16:11
    And they blaspheme the God of the heaven
    out of the miseries of them, and out of the sores of them,
    and not they repent/reform
    out of the works of them

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    Exodus 15 [Revelation 15:3]
    1 Then Mosheh is singing and sons of Yisra'el this song to Yahweh
    and they are saying to say of "I shall sing to Yahweh that to exalt He exalts. Horse and one riding of him He heaved into the sea [Reve 15:3]
    2 Strength of me and melody of Yah. And He becoming to me for salvation.
    This One El of me and I shall adorn Him,
    Elohim of father of me and I shall exalt Him"


    In this passage, they are also singing the song of the Lamb:

    Revelation 15:3 [Exodus 15:1]

    And they are singing the Song of Mosheh, the bond-servant of the God and the Song of the Lamb saying "great and marvelous the works of Thee Lord! the God, the Almighty.
    Just and true the ways of Thee, the King of the saints" [*ages/*nations].
     
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    Yet Bible tells it was the ten commandments:

    Yahweh said to Moses, "Write you these words: for in accordance with these words I have made a covenant with you and with Israel." He was there with Yahweh forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread, nor drank water. He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.
    Exodus 34:27-28
     
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    And then we must ask, "Which covenant?"

    The covenant that God made with *Israelites* at *Sinai*.

    Deuteronomy 5:3 Not with our ancestors (not those who came before) did the Lord make this covenant, but with us (Moses and Israelites), who are all of us here alive today.

    (Parentheses and emphasis mine.)

    Doesn't say anything about this covenant being with anyone else.
     
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    Hello 1213, it seems you did not read the OP.

    No one is saying the OLD COVENANT did not include the 10 Commandments although this is only telling half the story. The OLD COVENANT includes both the 10 commandments and the SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT. Together these make up the OLD COVENANT.

    EXODUS 24:7 [7], And he took the BOOK OF THE COVENANT, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the LORD has said will we do, and be obedient.

    DEUTERONOMY 29:21 [21], And the LORD shall separate him to evil out of all the tribes of Israel, according to all the curses of the COVENANT THAT ARE WRITTEN IN THIS BOOK OF THE LAW.

    DEUTERONOMY 31:26 [26], Take this BOOK OF THE LAW, and put it in the SIDE OF THE ARK OF THE COVENANT of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against you.

    2 KINGS 23:2 [2], And the king went up into the house of the LORD, and all the men of Judah and all the inhabitants of Jerusalem with him, and the priests, and the prophets, and all the people, both small and great: and HE READ IN THEIR EARS ALL THE WORDS OF THE BOOK OF THE COVENANT which was found in the house of the LORD.

    2 KINGS 23:3 [3], And the king stood by a pillar, and made a covenant before the LORD, to walk after the LORD, and to keep his commandments and his testimonies and his statutes with all their heart and all their soul, TO PERFORM THE WORDS OF THIS COVENANT THAT WERE WRITTEN IN THIS BOOK. And all the people stood to the covenant.

    2 KINGS 23:21 [21], And the king commanded all the people, saying, KEEP THE PASSOVER OF THE LORD your God, AS IT IS WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF THIS COVENANT.

    ..............

    CONCLUSION
    : The OLD COVENANT is made up of 1. God’s LAW (10 Commandments) and the Shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT. Both laws had a difference purpose under the OLD COVENANT. God’s 10 Commandments have the same role they always had and that is to point out what sin is and the standard of righteousness, while the SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT pointed to Christ as our true sacrifice for sin and God’s plan of salvation from sin under the NEW COVENANT.

    ..............

    Hope this helps
     
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    Hello bekkilyn, nice to see you again. If you are not a part of God's ISREAL in the NEW COVENANT you have no part in the NEW COVENANT promise. Gentiles are now grafted in *HEBREWS 8:10-12; ROMANS 11:16-27. If you do not understand what the OLD COVENANT is how can you understand what the NEW COVENANT is? Did you know that the Shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE LAW was a part of the OLD COVENANT?
     
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    Absolutely LLOJ, in the days of Jesus and the APOSTLES their bible was the OLD TESTAMENT SCRIPTURES. Everything we have in the NEW TESTAMENT comes from the OLD. With God's Spirit *JOHN 14:26, this is the key to unlock the meanings of the NEW. This is the same application to the OLD and NEW COVENANTS. It is the SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT that pointed to Jesus and God's plan of salvation that have been fulfilled and done away in Christ, not God's eternal law (10 Commandments) that give us a knowledge of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTOUESNESS *ROMANS 3:20' ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172; MATTHEW 5:17-19
     
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    bekkilyn Contemplative Christian Supporter

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    I disagree with your interpretation. The covenant made with the Israelites at Sinai was fulfilled by Christ...it's purpose being made complete. The new covenant is a whole new covenant made with everyone in Christ, Jew and Gentile alike, and NOT simply an update of the old covenant with the only difference being that Gentiles are grafted into it.
     
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    Yet here you are disagreeing yet you have no scripture for your belief? What was the OLD COVENANT? You have not read the OP now have you? If you do not know what the OLD COVENANT is how can you understand what the NEW COVENANT is?
     
  19. drich0150

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    Seriously this is all basic milk meat stuff right?

    Old covenant= OT Jews, kinda had to be born into that one.
    The Old law was completed by Christ to include thought, which top shelved the law made it perfect/which means no one could maintain the law unto righteousness. Meaning righteousness can not be obtained by obeying the law.

    That is all the law does not is to drive people to seek righteousness outside the law or 'atonement.'
    Those who have atonement are free from the law.

    Those who are not saved are judged by the law.

    Those who are young in christ "milk of the word people.' are still ruled over as slaves are to the law. Once the holy Spirit sets you free then you are free from the law as a means to arive at righteousness.

    Jesus boiled the law down to 2 commands. Love your lord God with all of your being and Love your neighbor as yourself. Do this in love then all of the law of the profits are full filled.

    So then we no longer seek to live by the law as a means to righteousness but we live by love, as love/Agape' is the fulfillment of everything that was and matures into.

    We can do the bible verse thing if wish or you can look them up yourself. Honestly if your doing this for the first time it will probably be better to ask the holy Spirit for help and go through the bible just the two of you.

    Once you are free, you keep the law, not out of obligation or as a means to earn something but as a second nature to loving God with all you have. and if you break the law so what, if you hate the sin.

    Got to remember till we die we will always have sin in us and that old man born unto sin will be a slave to sin till he draws his last breath. so don't let satan fool you here. he will come in the form of a pastor preacher or a set of scrap booked bible verses all cut and pasted together to tell you you should lead a perfect life. yeah, that's crap. the book of romans and galatians is where you will find your freedom.

    Note your freedom from the law comes from whole books of the bible read contextually while the idea of living a sin free life will take those very same books chop up the bible verses and paste them back in a different order to try and twist what Paul meant. Stay with the contextual reading and you will find freedom from the law.
     
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    bekkilyn Contemplative Christian Supporter

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    We've gone through this before. It doesn't matter how much scripture others post in support up to and including the entire bible because you automatically dismiss all of it right off the bat for your own legalistic interpretations.
     
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