The Coming Antichrist is... The Devil In Person

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The 2 witnesses will prophecy during 1,260 days ---their time will start at the SAME time that the FIRST TRUMPET plague and will END at the end of the 6th trumpet.

In other words the Second Woe [ the 6th trumpet] will not have a time span of 1,260 days.
But that the the time span from the First Trumpet plague-time when the two witnesses will begin to prophecy- until the end of the 6Th trumpet events will be a total of 1,260 days....[3 1/2 years ]which place the 7 TH trumpet in the middle of the Tribulation....

What you're trying to do is spread the latter half of Daniel's symbolic "one week" to cover the whole week, since we are shown the tribulation not actually starting at the earliest on the 6th trumpet - 2nd woe. The full 7 years is not the tribulation (though some call it that, mostly those on Pre-trib). The latter 1260 days is the tribulation time Jesus pointed to with the false one placing the "abomination of the desolation" in the middle of Daniel's symbolic "one week" of Dan.9:27. That's when all the world will be commanded to bow in false idol worship or be killed per Rev.13.

The 6th Trumpet - 2nd Woe period represents that latter 1260 half of Daniel's "one week". It is when the four angels bound at the symbolic border Euphrates are loosed, pointing to the main events of the actual tribulation. Some think that trumpet in Rev.9 is about Armageddon; it is not. The killing in Rev.9 is about spiritual death by the coming false messiah. That is what will cause death to one's soul when he comes.
 
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What you're trying to do is spread the latter half of Daniel's symbolic "one week" to cover the whole week, since we are shown the tribulation not actually starting at the earliest on the 6th trumpet - 2nd woe. The full 7 years is not the tribulation (though some call it that, mostly those on Pre-trib). The latter 1260 days is the tribulation time Jesus pointed to with the false one placing the "abomination of the desolation" in the middle of Daniel's symbolic "one week" of Dan.9:27. That's when all the world will be commanded to bow in false idol worship or be killed per Rev.13.
-What will be the Role Of THE DRAGON mentioned in Revelation 13 ?

-What will be the role of the False Prophet mentioned in Revelation 13?

-What will be the role of the two witnesses mentioned in Revelation 11?

- At what time the 1,260 days of their testimony will begin :is it before the 42 months reign of the Beast ?OR during the 42 months reign of the Beast ?

-Tell us what will be the Third Woe mentioned in Revelation 11:14 that will happen after the killing of the 2 Witnesses by the Beast who ascendeth out of the Bottomless Pit Mentioned in Revelation 11:7?

-Why there is no mention of the 42 months reign of the Beast during the Second Woe ?

-What will be the EVENT of the FIRST WOE and its duration ?

-What will be the PRIMARY EVENT of The SECOND WOE who will end when the 2 witnesses will be killed ?

since we are shown the tribulation not actually starting at the earliest on the 6th trumpet - 2nd woe. The full 7 years is not the tribulation
-Tell us why there is 7 Tribulation Trumpets if the Tribulation will start and finish at The 6 TH TRUMPET like you propose ?

-Tell us what is the need to write 11 other Chapters full of events (Rev 12 Through Rev 22) after Revelation 11:15-19 , if everything will be finished at the 7 TH Trumpet as you propose ?

-What happen to the 7 VIALS of the Wrath of God mentioned in Revelation 16 ?

An extra question to finish:
Do you believe that we will heard any of the 7 Trumpets who will be sounded in Heaven by 7 Angels ?
 
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-What will be the Role Of THE DRAGON mentioned in Revelation 13 ?

Rev.12:9 tells us the "dragon" is simply another title for Satan. So what does the "dragon" do in Rev.13? What do people do involving the "dragon" as written in Rev.13?

-What will be the role of the False Prophet mentioned in Revelation 13?

There is no one called the "false prophet" written in the Revelation 13 Chapter. If you find it is, let me know, because I want to make sure I've got my glasses on straight.


-What will be the role of the two witnesses mentioned in Revelation 11?

That's it, they are God's "two witnesses". They will be giving a Testimony against the beast. Don't forget they involve 2 of the seven candlesticks, which per our Lord Jesus at the end of Rev.1 the seven candlesticks are the seven Churches.


- At what time the 1,260 days of their testimony will begin :is it before the 42 months reign of the Beast ?OR during the 42 months reign of the Beast ?

It begins on the 6th Trumpet - 2nd Woe period timing which begins in Rev.9:12 and continues thru to Rev.11:15. That is tribulation timing. It's the latter half of Daniel's symbolic "one week" of Dan.9:27.

-Tell us what will be the Third Woe mentioned in Revelation 11:14 that will happen after the killing of the 2 Witnesses by the Beast who ascendeth out of the Bottomless Pit Mentioned in Revelation 11:7?

The 7th Trumpet is tied to the 3rd Woe, can't separate them like you seem to be trying to do. When Rev.11 is talking about the 3rd woe, it's saying that it will come quickly because it's pointing to the 7th trumpet getting ready to sound, and the events to occur on the very last day of this world. The quickly idea comes from what God showed about that day through His Old Testament prophets (like Isaiah 29:5).

The 7th Trumpet - 3rd Woe is when Jesus returns and ends the reign of the Antichrist and the wicked, the event of God's wrath being poured out, and immediately then begins His future "thousand years" reign on earth with His elect per Rev.20.

Rev 11:14-18
14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.


16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,

17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.

18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

KJV


-Why there is no mention of the 42 months reign of the Beast during the Second Woe ?

There is, you just pass over it. It's that same period the Gentiles are give to tread the city in Rev.11:2:

Rev 11:1-2
11:1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.

2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

KJV

That's the same 1260 days, or 3 and 1/2 years (time, times, and a half), of the latter half of Daniel's symbolic "one week". It's the same time the "dragon" is given power over the earth per Rev.13:4-5. That Rev.11 event is happening within... the 6th trumpet - 2nd woe period, because the very next period is the 7th trumpet - 3rd woe. It's easy.

-What will be the EVENT of the FIRST WOE and its duration ?

On the 5th trumpet - 1st woe, the symbolic locusts come out of the pit to work upon the earth (tied to the Book of Joel about the locust army). It begins on Rev.9:1 and ends on Rev.9:12:

Rev 9:12
12 One woe is past; and, behold, there come two woes more hereafter.
KJV


-What will be the PRIMARY EVENT of The SECOND WOE who will end when the 2 witnesses will be killed ?

Primary event of the 6th trumpet - 2nd woe is the tribulation events. It begins at Rev.9:12 and continues to Rev.11:15 when the 7th trumpet begins to sound, which is the 3rd woe.

Don't forget to keep the three woes tied to the three last trumpets, for that is what Scripture does in keeping them in order. That... order in Revelation we can be sure of, the last 3 trumpets flow in order.

-Tell us why there is 7 Tribulation Trumpets if the Tribulation will start and finish at The 6 TH TRUMPET like you propose ?

There's your mistake, and it's per the doctrine you appear to be listening to (a Pre-trib Rapture maybe?). The actual tribulation time is the latter half of the Dan.9:27 "one week" (7 years). That means the latter 1260 day period, NOT the whole 7 years. Jesus showed us when the actual time of "great tribulation" will begin; it's when the Antichrist places the "abomination of desolation" in a temple in Jerusalem:

Matt 24:15-21
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

KJV

That is the same event flow God gave Daniel at the end of Daniel 11 and into Daniel 12, when the "vile person" in Jerusalem ends the daily sacrifice and instead places the abomination that makes desolate, and then there is a time on earth unlike any other time before, nor ever will be again.

-Tell us what is the need to write 11 other Chapters full of events (Rev 12 Through Rev 22) after Revelation 11:15-19 , if everything will be finished at the 7 TH Trumpet as you propose ?

It would be better if you had studied all of the Book of Isaiah thoroughly before asking me that kind of question. There's a section in Isaiah, starting around chapter 24, that some Bible scholars call 'The Apocalypse of Isaiah', which is about the events for the very end of this world. Yet there's about 29 more Isaiah chapters to follow after it's finishing covering it. So why didn't God place it at the end chapters in Isaiah instead of giving it to him kind of in the middle? Do you think maybe our Heavenly Father did that to see who would actually take the time to study all of His Word instead of just jumping around in it? I do. Anyway, some of the events of the 6th Seal in Rev.6 is covering the end of this world with Christ's coming, and that's certainly not the end of the Book of
Revelation either, so your assumption after Rev.11 doesn't really work.

-What happen to the 7 VIALS of the Wrath of God mentioned in Revelation 16 ?

Well, if you were paying attention, our Lord Jesus is warning His Church that's still on earth within the 6th Vial timing, saying that He comes "as a thief", and to keep their garments lest they appear naked in shame. And then the final 7th Vial is poured out... in the air, not on earth. And that signals the events of Christ's coming also, but there giving new info like the battle of Armageddon that's to occur on the last day of this world. That's the same timing as the 7th trumpet - 3rd woe timing.

An extra question to finish:
Do you believe that we will heard any of the 7 Trumpets who will be sounded in Heaven by 7 Angels ?

Literally? You must be speaking of John 5:28-29 about the resurrection of the dead at the sound of the last trump. We'll see if that's literal or not, as the idea of Christ's voice is also used in that idea.
 
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Rev.12:9 tells us the "dragon" is simply another title for Satan. So what does the "dragon" do in Rev.13? What do people do involving the "dragon" as written in Rev.13?
You have not explained what Satan [the Dragon ]do in Revelation 13 you are just saying that Satan is the Dragon which is obvious ...

Let me tell you what Satan[the Dragon] will do

Satan will give his authority and his kingdom the Earth---> to the Beast the "individual" who will be wounded at the head and whose dead stroke at the head was mysteriously healed ---->Revelation 13:3-5 TO CONTINUE DURING 42 MONTHS.

Thus at this point you have SATAN AND The individual who have been wounded at the Head [The Beast/ Antichrist]that the WORLD shall wonder....
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Revelation 17:8 give us more clues about that "individual" that the whole Earth shall wonder. That -he- is actually RESTRAINED -LOCKED- somewhere in a particular place...
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There is no one called the "false prophet" written in the Revelation 13 Chapter. If you find it is, let me know, because I want to make sure I've got my glasses on straight.
[The OTHER BEAST Revelation 13:11-14]
The individual described will make GREAT SIGNS AND WONDERS IN THE PRESENCE OF THE BEAST WHO HAVE RECEIVED WHAT SEEMED A DEATH STROKE AT THE HEAD AND CAME BACK TO LIFE....

SIGNS AND WONDER ARE USUALLY MADE BY PROPHETS AS A SIGN OF A SUPERNATURAL POWER ...Revelation 13:11-14

That explain why that individual is called the False Prophet [by everyone who study the Book of Revelation]...because his power will come from Satan....Not From God !


That's it, they are God's "two witnesses". They will be giving a Testimony against the beast. Don't forget they involve 2 of the seven candlesticks, which per our Lord Jesus at the end of Rev.1 the seven candlesticks are the seven Churches.
If the mission of the two witnesses is to give a testimony against the Beast DURING THE 42 MONTHS of the Beast ...explain why GOD WILL SEND AN ANGEL AT THE BEGINNING OF THE REIGN OF THE BEAST ----> WARNING PEOPLE TO NOT TAKE THE MARK OF THE BEAST .....Revelation 14:9-12 ?

The 7th Trumpet is tied to the 3rd Woe, can't separate them like you seem to be trying to do. When Rev.11 is talking about the 3rd woe, it's saying that it will come quickly because it's pointing to the 7th trumpet getting ready to sound, and the events to occur on the very last day of this world. The quickly idea comes from what God showed about that day through His Old Testament prophets (like Isaiah 29:5).

The 7th Trumpet - 3rd Woe is when Jesus returns and ends the reign of the Antichrist and the wicked, the event of God's wrath being poured out,
I am not the one trying to separate the 7 Th Trumpet from the THIRD WOE ...
You are the one saying that the 7 Th trumpet is the End ---The Bible tell us that Jesus will COME as a thief in Revelation 16:15-17 Just before the 7 TH BOWL OF THE WRATH OF GOD ....not at the 7 Th Trumpet
Revelation 16
15 (Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walked naked, and they see his shame.) 16 And they gathered them together into the place which is called in Hebrew Har-magedon.

17 And the seventh poured out his bowl upon the air; and there came forth a great voice out of the temple, from the throne, saying, It is done: 18 and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunders; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since there were men upon the earth, so great an earthquake, so mighty.

19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and Babylon the great was remembered in the sight of God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.

21 And great hail, [every stone] about the weight of a talent, cometh down out of heaven upon men: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof is exceeding great.

To resume----->Jesus will still be in Heaven at the 7 TH Trumpet ....cleaning the House in HEAVEN FROM ITS UNDESIRABLE Elements ....as pointed out in

Revelation 12:9-12

9 And the great dragon was cast down, the old serpent, he that is called the Devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world; he was cast down to the earth, and his angels were cast down with him.

10 And I heard a great voice in heaven, saying, NOW is come the salvation, and the power, and the kingdom of our God, and the AUTHORITY of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, who accuseth them before our God day and night.

11 And they overcame him because of the blood of the Lamb, and because of the word of their testimony; and they loved not their life even unto death.

12 Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and ye that dwell in them.WOE for the earth and for the sea: because the devil is gone down unto you, having great wrath, knowing that he hath but a short time.
3 1/2 years
-The 42 months reign of the Beast- --->the THIRD WOE who come with the 7 TH TRUMPET.

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Ezek 28:13-19
13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.

14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.

17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.

18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.

19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.
KJV


Notice 'where' the fire that God said He will bring in the midst of that one of verse 18 will turn him to ashes upon... the EARTH in sight of all them that behold him.



You have not explained what Satan [the Dragon ]do in Revelation 13 you are just saying that Satan is the Dragon which is obvious ...

Let me tell you what Satan[the Dragon] will do

Satan will give his authority and his kingdom the Earth---> to the Beast the "individual" who will be wounded at the head and whose dead stroke at the head was mysteriously healed ---->Revelation 13:3-5 TO CONTINUE DURING 42 MONTHS.

Thus at this point you have SATAN AND The individual who have been wounded at the Head [The Beast/ Antichrist]that the WORLD shall wonder....
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Revelation 17:8 give us more clues about that "individual" that the whole Earth shall wonder.
That -he- is actually RESTRAINED -LOCKED- somewhere in a particular place...
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[The OTHER BEAST Revelation 13:11-14]
The individual described will make GREAT SIGNS AND WONDERS IN THE PRESENCE OF THE BEAST WHO HAVE RECEIVED WHAT SEEMED A DEATH STROKE AT THE HEAD AND CAME BACK TO LIFE....

SIGNS AND WONDER ARE USUALLY MADE BY PROPHETS AS A SIGN OF A SUPERNATURAL POWER ...Revelation 13:11-14

That explain why that individual is called the False Prophet [by everyone who study the Book of Revelation]...because his power will come from Satan....Not From God !



If the mission of the two witnesses is to give a testimony against the Beast DURING THE 42 MONTHS of the Beast ...explain why GOD WILL SEND AN ANGEL AT THE BEGINNING OF THE REIGN OF THE BEAST ----> WARNING PEOPLE TO NOT TAKE THE MARK OF THE BEAST .....Revelation 14:9-12 ?


I am not the one trying to separate the 7 Th Trumpet from the THIRD WOE ...
You are the one saying that the 7 Th trumpet is the End ---The Bible tell us that Jesus will COME as a thief in Revelation 16:15-17 Just before the 7 TH BOWL OF THE WRATH OF GOD ....not at the 7 Th Trumpet
Revelation 16
15 (Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walked naked, and they see his shame.) 16 And they gathered them together into the place which is called in Hebrew Har-magedon.

17 And the seventh poured out his bowl upon the air; and there came forth a great voice out of the temple, from the throne, saying, It is done: 18 and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunders; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since there were men upon the earth, so great an earthquake, so mighty.

19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and Babylon the great was remembered in the sight of God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.

21 And great hail, [every stone] about the weight of a talent, cometh down out of heaven upon men: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof is exceeding great.

To resume----->Jesus will still be in Heaven at the 7 TH Trumpet ....cleaning the House in HEAVEN FROM ITS UNDESIRABLE Elements ....as pointed out in

Revelation 12:9-12

9 And the great dragon was cast down, the old serpent, he that is called the Devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world; he was cast down to the earth, and his angels were cast down with him.

10 And I heard a great voice in heaven, saying, NOW is come the salvation, and the power, and the kingdom of our God, and the AUTHORITY of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, who accuseth them before our God day and night.

11 And they overcame him because of the blood of the Lamb, and because of the word of their testimony; and they loved not their life even unto death.

12 Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and ye that dwell in them.WOE for the earth and for the sea: because the devil is gone down unto you, having great wrath, knowing that he hath but a short time.
3 1/2 years
-The 42 months reign of the Beast- --->the THIRD WOE who come with the 7 TH TRUMPET.


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Ezek 28:13-19
13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.

14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.

17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.

18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.

19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.
KJV


Notice 'where' the fire that God said He will bring in the midst of that one of verse 18 will turn him to ashes upon... the EARTH in sight of all them that behold him.
The destruction of Satan in the fire will happen After the 1,000 years reign of Jesus on the Earth WHEN SATAN WILL BE CAST INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE.

Revelation 20:7-10
7 And when the thousand years are finished, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8 and shall come forth to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to the war: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

9 And they went up over the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down out of heaven, and devoured them.

10 And the DEVIL that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, WHERE ARE ALSO The Beast and the False Prophet; and they shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
 
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Point is, God was pointing directly to Satan in that Ezekiel 28 Scripture. And Satan's destruction will be ON EARTH per that Ezek.28:18 verse.

That is another proof that Satan is coming here, on earth in our dimension in the last days before Christ's return.



The destruction of Satan in the fire will happen After the 1,000 years reign of Jesus on the Earth WHEN SATAN WILL BE CAST INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE.

Revelation 20:7-10
7 And when the thousand years are finished, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8 and shall come forth to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to the war: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

9 And they went up over the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down out of heaven, and devoured them.

10 And the DEVIL that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, WHERE ARE ALSO The Beast and the False Prophet; and they shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
 
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[The OTHER BEAST Revelation 13:11-14]
The individual described will make GREAT SIGNS AND WONDERS IN THE PRESENCE OF THE BEAST WHO HAVE RECEIVED WHAT SEEMED A DEATH STROKE AT THE HEAD AND CAME BACK TO LIFE....

SIGNS AND WONDER ARE USUALLY MADE BY PROPHETS AS A SIGN OF A SUPERNATURAL POWER ...Revelation 13:11-14

That explain why that individual is called the False Prophet [by everyone who study the Book of Revelation]...because his power will come from Satan....Not From God !

You shouldn't make assumptions on God's Word with such statements like what you said in [ ]. Obviously, just because many think that about the false prophet, which is nowhere written of in Rev.13 by the way, it doesn't mean everyone automatically assumes what you believe.

I stated that our Lord Jesus was called a Prophet in God's Word, but you said nothing to that. Our Lord Jesus is King also, to inherit the throne of David. So how is it that you cannot understand that "another beast", Antichrist, dragon, that old serpent, the devil, Satan, the vile person, the little horn, the man of sin, the son of perdition, the angel of the bottomless pit, can also be a false prophet, a beast king, and pseudo-Messiah, all rolled into one? Be unpopular for once, and think.

If the mission of the two witnesses is to give a testimony against the Beast DURING THE 42 MONTHS of the Beast ...explain why GOD WILL SEND AN ANGEL AT THE BEGINNING OF THE REIGN OF THE BEAST ----> WARNING PEOPLE TO NOT TAKE THE MARK OF THE BEAST .....Revelation 14:9-12 ?

Christ's Revelation was given through John to the seven Churches in Asia (Minor). It is given to all of Christ's Churches today. Like other Revelation chapters, Rev.14 is giving various timelines of information. Rev.14:1-5 is post-2nd coming. Rev.14:6-7 is about the last day. Rev.14:8 is right after the Babylon harlot's destruction. Rev.14:9-13 is a warning about the tribulation time. The answer you're looking for must be some idea you got from some organizational teaching. Revelation 1 explains why all this was given.


I am not the one trying to separate the 7 Th Trumpet from the THIRD WOE ...
You are the one saying that the 7 Th trumpet is the End ---The Bible tell us that Jesus will COME as a thief in Revelation 16:15-17 Just before the 7 TH BOWL OF THE WRATH OF GOD ....not at the 7 Th Trumpet

The 7th trumpet is... about the END, the last day of this world with Christ having returned...

Rev 11:14-15
14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.


15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

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The kingdoms of this world don't become those of The Lord and of His Christ without the event of Christ's 2nd coming and taking rule over all nations. Enough info on the event and timing of Christ's return was already given prior to that Rev.11 chapter, so it's not like after having learned addition that one has to learn all over how to add again. That Rev.11 chapter doesn't tell you when that "third woe" came either, it just said "cometh quickly", but it's simple to know it happens with that "seventh angel sounded".



To resume----->Jesus will still be in Heaven at the 7 TH Trumpet ....cleaning the House in HEAVEN FROM ITS UNDESIRABLE Elements ....as pointed out in

Revelation 12:9-12
9 And the great dragon was cast down, the old serpent, he that is called the Devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world; he was cast down to the earth, and his angels were cast down with him.

10 And I heard a great voice in heaven, saying, NOW is come the salvation, and the power, and the kingdom of our God, and the AUTHORITY of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, who accuseth them before our God day and night.

11 And they overcame him because of the blood of the Lamb, and because of the word of their testimony; and they loved not their life even unto death.

12 Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and ye that dwell in them.WOE for the earth and for the sea: because the devil is gone down unto you, having great wrath, knowing that he hath but a short time.
3 1/2 years
-The 42 months reign of the Beast- --->the THIRD WOE who come with the 7 TH TRUMPET.


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There you go again, separating the time of that 3rd Woe from the event of Rev.11:14-15 having shown Christ returns on the 7th trumpet and all the kingdoms of this world become His.

The way you're interpreting is that the time of the dragon's reign of 42 months begins with that 7th trumpet - 3rd woe! That's ludicrous and is totally away from the Scripture as written.
 
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Point is, God was pointing directly to Satan in that Ezekiel 28 Scripture. And Satan's destruction will be ON EARTH per that Ezek.28:18 verse.

That is another proof that Satan is coming here, on earth in our dimension in the last days before Christ's return.
Yes Satan will be coming here ----->but he is not the Beast who will ascend out of the Bottomless PIT and Satan is Not The False Prophet.

The Lake of Fire will be on the earth.
 
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You shouldn't make assumptions on God's Word with such statements like what you said in [ ]. Obviously, just because many think that about the false prophet, which is nowhere written of in Rev.13 by the way, it doesn't mean everyone automatically assumes what you believe.
One last attempt to make you understand that There Will Be A False Prophet

Biblical Proof
Revelation 20:10
10 And the DEVIL that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, WHERE ARE ALSO The Beast and The FALSE PROPHET; and they shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Biblical Proof
Revelation 19:20
20 And the beast was taken, and with him THE FALSE PROPHET that wrought the signs in his sight, wherewith he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast and them that worshipped his image: they two were cast alive into the lake of fire that burneth with brimstone:
 
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Yes Satan will be coming here ----->but he is not the Beast who will ascend out of the Bottomless PIT and Satan is Not The False Prophet.

The Lake of Fire will be on the earth.

Sure Satan is that beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit to kill God's two witnesses in Jerusalem. That's why Rev.13 says the whole world (except Christ's elect) will worship that "dragon", which is another title for Satan.

Rev 13:4
4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

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Rev 12:9
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

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The "dragon" = Satan, the devil
They worship "the dragon" = they worship Satan

Easy!
 
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Sure Satan is that beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit to kill God's two witnesses in Jerusalem. That's why Rev.13 says the whole world (except Christ's elect) will worship that "dragon", which is another title for Satan.

Rev 13:4
4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

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Rev 12:9
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

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The "dragon" = Satan, the devil
They worship "the dragon" = they worship Satan

Easy!
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Revelation 20:10
10 And the DEVIL that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, WHERE ARE ALSO The Beast AND The FALSE PROPHET; and they shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Biblical Proof at the coming of Jesus only the Beast And the False Prophet cast alive into the Lake of Fire ----Satan will be locked for 1,000 years
Revelation 19:20
20 And the beast was taken, and with him THE FALSE PROPHET that wrought the signs in his sight, wherewith he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast and them that worshipped his image: they two were cast alive into the lake of fire that burneth with brimstone:

Revelation 20 ----Satan will be locked into the Bottomless it for 1,000 years.
 
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One last attempt to make you understand that There Will Be A False Prophet
Revelation 20:10
10 And the DEVIL that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, WHERE ARE ALSO The Beast and The FALSE PROPHET; and they shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Revelation 19:20
20 And the beast was taken, and with him THE FALSE PROPHET that wrought the signs in his sight, wherewith he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast and them that worshipped his image: they two were cast alive into the lake of fire that burneth with brimstone:

Where again did you say the false prophet phrase is written in Revelation 13? Oh, yeah, it's not written anywhere in Rev.13.

Rev 13:11-18
11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.


12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
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Who is The Lamb? Our Lord Jesus. That "another beast" is compared to Christ but really is a false-Christ, which is where the word "antichrist" also fits (the instead of, or in place of Christ). That beast speaks "as a dragon" though, and who is the dragon? Satan. That's to show how Satan is coming as the Antichrist to play Jesus in the last film showing of Jesus Christ Superstar. Is there more proof of this given here? Yes...

In verse 13 we're told he will work "great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, and will deceive those on earth by the means of those miracles he will be given power to do. That's the same pseudo-Christ figure Jesus warned us about in Matt.24:23-26.

That is showing us that "another beast" will be:
1. the pseudo-Christ of Matt.24:23-26
2. the beast king of Rev.17:8-11
3. the "man of sin" of 2 Thess.2 that will sit in a temple in Jerusalem and proclaim himself as God, and over all that is called God, or that is worshiped.
4. the "false prophet" of Rev.16
5. the "beast" of Rev.16
6. the "dragon" of Rev.16 (i.e., the devil)

Like you've already said about that "another beast", he is the "false prophet" of Rev.16, but why can't you see he is the "beast" of Rev.16 also, and also the "dragon" of Rev.16?
 
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Biblical Proof
Revelation 20:10
10 And the DEVIL that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, WHERE ARE ALSO The Beast AND The FALSE PROPHET; and they shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Biblical Proof at the coming of Jesus only the Beast And the False Prophet cast alive into the Lake of Fire ----Satan will be locked for 1,000 years
Revelation 19:20
20 And the beast was taken, and with him THE FALSE PROPHET that wrought the signs in his sight, wherewith he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast and them that worshipped his image: they two were cast alive into the lake of fire that burneth with brimstone:

Revelation 20 ----Satan will be locked into the Bottomless it for 1,000 years.

Only reason the false prophet and beast are cast into the lake of fire at Christ's coming is because those are only roles, characters in a play the "dragon" will play. If they were flesh men they wouldn't go into the lake of fire yet, not until after Christ's 1,000 years reign.
 
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Where again did you say the false prophet phrase is written in Revelation 13? Oh, yeah, it's not written anywhere in Rev.13.
[The false prophet ] is the ONE who will make the great signs and wonders in the presence of the FIRST Beast.

Let make it simpler ---->can you tell us how many Beasts are mentioned in Revelation 13:11-14 ?

The text in bold should help you to calculate.

Revelation 13:11-14

11 And I saw another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like unto lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

12 And he exerciseth all the authority of the first beast in his sight. And he maketh the earth and them dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose death-stroke was healed.

13 And he doeth great signs, that he should even make fire to come down out of heaven upon the earth in the sight of men.

14 And he deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by reason of the signs which it was given him to do in the sight of the beast
 
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[The false prophet ] is the ONE who will make the great signs and wonders in the presence of the FIRST Beast.

The one who works the great signs and wonders is the coming pseudo-Christ which Jesus warned us about:

Matt 24:21-26
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

23 Then if any man shall say unto you, "Lo, here is Christ, or there"; believe it not.

24 For there shall arise false Christs (pseudochristos), and false prophets (pseudoprophetes), and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.


25 Behold, I have told you before.

26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, "Behold, He is in the desert"; go not forth: "behold, He is in the secret chambers"; believe it not.
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Notice the tense of our Lord's warning for that false one is the 'he' those deceived He warns will proclaim. The actual tense of that one they proclaim is come is singular, as the 23rd and 26th verses obviously show.

So it's not about many false Christs or many false prophets; it's about a singular Antichrist that will fulfill both the roles of false-Messiah and false prophet. And it is he that will work those great signs and wonders to deceive with.
 
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