The Clear Loser of The Presidential Election

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The clear Loser of the presidential election last night is the Pollsters.

They missed by whopping margins in every area.
The exact same way they missed their projections previously four years ago.

None of them were worth looking at.
None of them had a bit of accuracy.

A dartboard throw would be more accurate than these guys.

For people who pride themselves in not making news but just reporting it...they have made a massive blunder.
 

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The clear Loser of the presidential election last night is the Pollsters.

They missed by whopping margins in every area.
The exact same way they missed their projections previously four years ago.

None of them were worth looking at.
None of them had a bit of accuracy.

A dartboard throw would be more accurate than these guys.

For people who pride themselves in not making news but just reporting it...they have made a massive blunder.
So true. So horribly true.
 
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The clear Loser of the presidential election last night is the Pollsters.

They missed by whopping margins in every area.
The exact same way they missed their projections previously four years ago.

None of them were worth looking at.
None of them had a bit of accuracy.
A dartboard throw would be more accurate than these guys.

For people who pride themselves in not making news but just reporting it...they have made a massive blunder.
Keep in mind that they work for money and, by using rigged polling methods, they did earn their salaries by making it look as though one candidate would be a certain winner, thus hopefully suppressing the vote for his opponent.
 
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It is not over yet, the counting is still happening. And the totals are still in the error bars.
When the polling showed Biden winning Florida by a 7% margin...

That's inside the error bars?

Biden lost Florida by at least 2% and possibly by as much as 4%.

How can anyone not lose their job over a whopper like that?
 
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The clear Loser of the presidential election last night is the Pollsters.

They missed by whopping margins in every area.
The exact same way they missed their projections previously four years ago.

None of them were worth looking at.
None of them had a bit of accuracy.

A dartboard throw would be more accurate than these guys.

For people who pride themselves in not making news but just reporting it...they have made a massive blunder.


Well it's been known since 2016 that pollsters have problems sampling Trump voters.... And then you get into the problems of "the shy Trump voter". Something that is obviously compounded by all the BLM and Antifa stuff going around the country at different times, and the general contempt shown to Trump voters in the media.


It's interesting when you even hear reports of people afraid to tell their friends their preferences something I didn't expect. When I lived in California, I recognized the need to not put a Republican sticker on my car because those cars sometimes got vandalized. And I likewise wasn't inclined to wear any Trump hats etc when I moved to NC and PA. but I was always very open with my coworkers and friends since they knowing me better would not be likely to do something like that.
 
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Keep in mind that they work for money and, by using rigged polling methods, they did earn their salaries by making it look as though one candidate would be a certain winner, thus hopefully suppressing the vote for his opponent.

I see no other explanation. You are spot on.
 
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When the polling showed Biden winning Florida by a 7% margin...

That's inside the error bars?

Biden lost Florida by at least 2% and possibly by as much as 4%.

How can anyone not lose their job over a whopper like that?
For the same reason the TV weather people retain their jobs.
 
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FiveThirtyEight had Biden up by 2.5, not 7:
Florida President: general election Polls
538 uses an average of polls.

And if it washes out that Trump wins Florida by 4%..(and it's highly likely he will) that makes even them off by 6.5% and well outside even their declared margin of error.

That's creating and influencing the news and not reporting it.
 
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Human behavior is notoriously difficult to measure because of the number of variables. How does one measure "enthusiasm"? How does one measure disinterest in logical process?

The pollsters are trying to rely less on interviews and consider historical trends and other measurable things like economic numbers. How does a pollster factor something that happens once every 100 years?

Chaos Theory at work, people.
 
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I'm going to assume this will be a thread where actual understanding of the polls and statistics will not be particularly welcome. Blindly lashing out at libs and the lame-stream media, however...

...with the same folks who frequently misunderstand a variety of numerical indicators and trends now trying to chide others on their bad math.
 
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I'm going to assume this will be a thread where actual understanding of the polls and statistics will not be particularly welcome. Blindly lashing out at libs and the lame-stream media, however...

So are you claiming that the polls were all accurate well within the margin of error?

Hey,
I've got this Bridge in NY that crosses the Hudson River into Brooklyn that I'd like to sell....you can set up toll booths and make a fortune.
 
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The clear Loser of the presidential election last night is the Pollsters.

They missed by whopping margins in every area.
The exact same way they missed their projections previously four years ago.

None of them were worth looking at.
None of them had a bit of accuracy.the

A dartboard throw would be more accurate than these guys.

For people who pride themselves in not making news but just reporting it...they have made a massive blunder.
Given the fact that the majority of the American electorate has consistently voted Democratic, only to be "saddled" by 2 incompetent Republican presidents for 12 of the last 20 years - democracy and belief in the electoral system are the real "losers" in America!

Now we're wintnessing the bizarre spectacle of a Republican President unilaterally declaring victory in the middle of the night, demanding that the further counting of ballots cease - those same ballots that millions of American citizens were willing to risk exposure to COVID-!9 by spending countless hours in line, practicing social distancing, to make their vote count!
 
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I've got this Bridge in NY that crosses the Hudson River into Brooklyn that I'd like to sell....you can set up toll booths and make a fortune.

I'm not sure if this is a boffed joke or if that's the joke.
 
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