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The Church and the Messianic movement

Discussion in 'Messianic Judaism' started by Christie insb, Dec 7, 2017.

  1. Heber Book List

    Heber Book List Theologian [Applied Theology]

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    An example is, when quoting scripture, there is no need to actually post the text, just the reference will do because even if someone doesn't have a Bible, hovering the mouse over the link brings the words to the screen. :)

    Links to Wikipedia, with a description about the point being made, is better than reams of text to plough through. If people are interested they will go Wikipedia (or whatever) and read it, if they are not, they won't :)
     
  2. CherubRam

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    Yes, but often the verse is not correct, and that is the point being made. I often have people complain that I did not say enough. Oh well!
     
  3. Heber Book List

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    I enjoy reading lots of posts - yours as well - but I just can't be bothered when it is very long, whoever the poster is :) I guess it is about having a balance :)
     
  4. CherubRam

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    A person always has the choice of cutting short what they are reading.
     
  5. Christie insb

    Christie insb Well-Known Member

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    Yes. As people who are Torah-keepers, it seems odd to me that you would want your place of worship to sound less religious. I have a tendency to call Messianic churches "congregations" though. I think it does have to do with using words less offensive to Jews, which is sort of pointless anyway, what with our Messiah and all.
     
  6. Christie insb

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    They do. I don't remember you being such a long poster myself. Sometimes it is necessary to write a long post to make your point, but I sometimes probably err on the side usually of making too many short posts and getting repetitive.
     
  7. Soyeong

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    I try to be thorough in my explanations, especially when explaining a viewpoint that someone is unfamiliar with, but perhaps you can just read the first few paragraphs would be sufficient?
     
  8. Heber Book List

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    I would have expected that you would have seen my comments about quotes from various sources - to give a link AND to write the material. verbatim, is not essential, I am sure :)
     
  9. Open Heart

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    I usually call MJ houses of worship synagogues, since I consider MJ a Judaism which accepts Yeshua as Messiah.
     
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  10. pat34lee

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    Synagogues were where they went for the basics. Jesus
    taught his disciples in homes and on the road.
     
  11. pat34lee

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    I don't like the description of Hebrew Roots as anti-church,
    as the people are the church, not the organization. HR is
    against the paganism brought into Rome's Christian theology.
     
  12. tampasteve

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    Yes Yeshua taught on the road as well as in synagogues and homes, but Jewish Believers and the early non-Jewish believers met in synagogues where they were as well as homes. This really is not questionable, it is provable by archaeology, history, and tradition. Essentially, Jewish people had been meeting for services, instruction, and Torah study in synagogues for centuries and the early believers continued to do so as well, they also met in homes of course - and at the Temple in Jerusalem while it stood. So, they were not just there for the basics, they were there for the full life cycle of events just as any other Jewish or G-d Fearer would be. Things changed of course after they were expelled from the Jewish community or where there was no Jewish community to start with.
     
  13. pat34lee

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    About the terms. The easiest to understand is the body.
    The body isn't the building or the organization, or even
    all the people there, but the believers only. In a church
    building, 75% or more may be unbelievers. Consider
    that perhaps most preachers are also lost. There is a
    remnant always who serve God, but only a remnant.
     
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  14. pat34lee

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    The synagogues are post-Babylon, so at most, maybe
    150-200 years before NT times? OT instructions were
    to teach all this at the home, all the time. Synagogues
    were a nice addition, as long as we don't forget our
    own responsibility.

    Deuteronomy 6:4-9
    4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
    5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
    6 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:
    7 And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.

    8 And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes.
    9 And thou shalt write them upon the posts of thy house, and on thy gates.
     
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  15. tampasteve

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    I agree with what you are saying. But to set the dates better, synagogues started during the Babylonian Captivity which was around 586-537 BC, so quite a while before NT times and longer that 150-200 years. Archaeology from Egypt shows a stone synagogue from around 300 BC, so they were widespread enough by that time.
     
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