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The Christian Walk?

Discussion in 'General Theology' started by AubreyM, Apr 18, 2021.

  1. AubreyM

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    What do you think about these passages?

    4 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

    5 For if we have been united together in the likeness of His death, certainly we also shall be in the likeness of His resurrection, 6 knowing this, that our old man was crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin.

    Walking in newness of life with Christ -> In the likeness of Christ Jesus resurrection?
     
  2. Michael Collum

    Michael Collum Everything began with a voice, use yours Supporter

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    Never did figure out how to do a transfiguration..
     
  3. AubreyM

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    Hello Michael, what do you think about it being a spiritual transformation by and through Christ Jesus?
     
  4. Minister Monardo

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    G3339 - metamorphoō - Strong's Greek Lexicon (KJV)

    Same word, translated differently to hide the Truth.
    Matthew 17:
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    Now after six days Jesus took Peter, James, and John his brother, led them up on a high
    mountain by themselves;
    2 and He was transfigured before them. His face shone like the sun, and His clothes
    became as white as the light.

    Mark 9:
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    And He said to them, “Assuredly, I say to you that there are some standing here
    who will not taste death till they see the kingdom of God present with power.”
    2 Now after six days Jesus took Peter, James, and John, and led them up on a high
    mountain apart by themselves; and He was transfigured before them.

    This Is The Inner Working of the Holy Spirit
    Romans 12:2
    And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed [metamorphoo=transfigured] by the renewing of your mind,
    that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.

    2 Corinthians 3:18 But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror
    the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from
    glory to glory, just as by the Spirit of the Lord.
     
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  5. AubreyM

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    Thank you Minister Monardo
     
  6. Michael Collum

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    That's every day life.

    The shining like heaven bit, no one does that though.
     
  7. Michael Collum

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    "His face shone like the sun, and His clothes became as white as the light."
    Just saying, if Jesus could do it, bound to be a few cases close to the end.

    what He did and more type deal.
     
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  8. fhansen

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    Yes, we die to sin and rise to righteousness, now putting to death the sins of the flesh. Rom 8:12-13
     
  9. Carl Emerson

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    Yes and no...

    I think one can extend this truth too far.

    In verse 5 the reference to being in the likeness of His resurrection seems to be future.

    Personally I see this as a process that begins in this life and is completed as we are resurrected.

    Likewise being released from slavery to sin is a process.

    Phil 3:12

    Not that I have already grasped it all or have already become perfect, but I press on if I may also take hold of that for which I was even taken hold of by Christ Jesus.
     
  10. AubreyM

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    Hello Michael, a choice to make each day, would agree especially when it comes to believers in Christ Jesus. Dying with Him in his death in baptism, and being risen again by the spirit in likeness of his very own resurrection.

    It seems very liberal and freeing to come to know as your
    identity is Christ Jesus in and through you by the spirit given from the Lord Jesus Christ from the Father.

    Thank you for your comment.

    Thank you for your insight, Fhansen.

    It is amazing how Christ Jesus really does truly walk with us, and how God is there for us in this life. Never to leave you abandon or alone even as tough as life can be for some people.

    Hello Carl,

    From the scripture your view point seems to indicate that only being resurrected in his likeness is future. Would agree with you on your viewpoint as eventually when me or you die, we will be resurrected in a new spiritual body (at-least) according to my own view.

    Though this scripture is talking to the saints at Rome -> Indicated, by what the bible is interjecting is that as believers we die in the baptism - in Christ Jesus -> being rose again in likeness of his own resurrection -> us as believers walking in newless of life by the spirit. By Christ Jesus being there with us, as our identity.

    Thank you for sharing your thoughts, do you have anymore?
     
  11. Carl Emerson

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    Yes... I like to think of this as being an imperishable seed of the New Creation within us as a down payment...

    We don't commonly emphasise the preciousness of His life within.

    That raises the issue that we often insist that our 'good' theology should dictate our personal experience of Him... but with the disciples it was the opposite - also with Paul.
     
  12. AubreyM

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    Hello Carl,

    Interesting, what do you mean by this? That raises the issue that we often insist that our 'good' theology should dictate our personal experience of Him... but with the disciples it was the opposite - also with Paul.

    Would say that it probably is not commonly made know the preciousness of the Lord Jesus Christ - with-in us.

    A scripture according in Galatians 2:20 speaks about this nature of Christ living with-in us. Is that not amazing to know - Christ Jesus lives with-in believers now today. Our old life - old man - is crucified with Christ - being raised again just as Christ Jesus was resurrected from the grave. We are raised again if we are baptized in His death. Spiritually.

    Anything 'good' that we do as believers comes from Christ Jesus by the spirit with-in us, as believers who trust in God and the Lord Jesus Christ.

    Thank you to all who have commented and posted.
     
  13. Soyeong

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    A chip off of the old block is someone who is in the likeness of their father because they have the same character or nature, and this is the sense that Jesus is the Son of God because the Son is the exact expression of God's nature (Hebrew 1:3), which he expressed through living in obedience to the Mosaic Law, so that is how we are in his likeness when we partaking in the divine nature. Everything in Romans 6 is speaking in favor of obedience to God's law and against the law of sin, which is what made us slaves to sin. In Romans 7:12-14, the Mosaic Law is the narrow gate that few find, which we should walk in that leads to life.
     
  14. AubreyM

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    Thank you for your comment Soyeong.

    When reading about obedience to the Mosaic Law considering it was fulfilled in Christ Jesus it wouldn't suggest anything to do with being obedience to the Mosaic Law instead -> being obedient in Christ Jesus as to what He teachings in accordance to Love God, and Love Others -> which fulfills the law of Christ.

    Romans 8:4 He did this so that the just requirement of the law would be fully satisfied for us, who no longer follow our sinful nature but instead follow the Spirit.

    Galatians 6:1 Brothers, if someone is caught in a trespass, you who are spiritual should restore him with a spirit of gentleness. But watch yourself, or you also may be tempted. 2Carry one another’s burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the law of Christ.

    Thank you for sharing your viewpoint, Soyeong thought would also share my take on what you are saying though could have misunderstood. (Do believe that the Mosaic Law - was and has been fulfilled by and through Christ Jesus.) (The Law) is useful in seeing how bad we are and how in-dire need we are for the Lord and Saviour Yeshua Christ.
     
  15. Carl Emerson

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    Yes the realisation of Christ within is accepted theologically but start to talk about how you experience it and you are quickly reminded that faith is much more important than feelings or experience.

    So we end up with a theological structure that has a form of godliness but can deny the power of God in our lives...

    Keep up the good work - great topic.
     
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  16. Davy

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    Two paths of answers, man's or God's per His Word:

    1. Man's = endless philosophizing about Christ's resurrection applied per man's religious ideas, just about anything man can come up with that 'sounds' religious. That doesn't reveal the real Truth per God's Word though.

    2. God's = in the resurrection, we are done, finished, with these flesh bodies of corruption, a shell destined to perish, and our real person inside, our spirit, is raised to a spiritual body that will not see corruption, won't die, won't feel pain, nor hot or cold, but is eternal in the heavens, like Apostle Paul said (2 Corinthians 5).
     
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  17. Soyeong

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    Yes, I believe that Yeshua fulfilled the Mosaic Law. "To fulfill the law" means "to cause God's will as made known in His law to be obeyed as it should be” (NAS Greek Lexicon pleroo 2c3). After Jesus said he came to fulfill the law in Matthew 5, he proceeded to fulfill it six times throughout the rest of the chapter by teaching how to correctly obey it or by completing our understanding of it. In Galatians 5:14, loving our neighbor fulfills the entire law, so it refers to something that countless people have done, not to something unique that only Jesus did. In Galatians 6:2, bearing one another's burdens fulfills the Law of Christ, so you should interpret that in the same way as you interpret fulfilling the Law of Moses.

    Whenever you stop at a stoplight, you are fulfilling that traffic law by correctly doing what it requires of you. Likewise, when a husband loves his wife in sickness and in health he is fulfilling his marriage vows by correctly doing the things that he vowed to do. All of the laws that God has given are examples of what it means to love God and our neighbor, so love fulfills the Mosaic Law because it is showing a full understanding of what it is essentially about how to do. The greatest two commandments at a lot easier said than done, so thankfully God gave us all of the other commandments to paint us a picture of what it means to correctly obey them. Someone who is correctly obeying the greatest two commandments would looks the same as someone who was living in obedience to the Mosaic Law because they would both be following the same example that Jesus set for us to follow. If someone's obedience to the greatest two commandments was not inclusive of obedience to God's other commandments, then they would not be treating them as being the fulfillment of the other commandments.

    In Romans 8:4-7, those who walk in the Spirit are contrasted with those who have minds set on the flesh who refuse to submit to the Mosaic Law.

    In Matthew 7:23, Jesus said that he would tell those who are works of lawlessness to depart from him because he never knew them, so knowing Christ is the goal of obeying the Mosaic Law. So the Mosaic Law does not just reveal our need for Jesus to redeem us from our sins, but also teaches us how to have a relationship with Him.
     
  18. Carl Emerson

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    The problem that I have with emphasising that Jesus fulfilled the Mosaic Law is that He did much more than that - He fulfilled the Law of the Spirit of Life.

    So our aim should be much higher than the Mosaic Law as His was.

    Pointing believers to Law brings the death that the Law bought.

    Life in Christ Jesus should be our focus.

    This never leads to lawlessness when we walk in communion with Him.
     
  19. AubreyM

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    Concur. Thank you Carl.

    Thank you for your viewpoint, Soy.

    Thank you for sharing, Davy
     
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