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Be careful Optimax, you are walking "a slippery slope" by saying such things.

You and the other ARE NOT the Holy Spirit and your comments are full of pride and jealousy.

I didn't ask for the calling, and I am sure others didn't as well. Sure some may proclaim themselves as such to make a profit, but Pastors do that as well, so lets just proclaim pastors illegitimate too.

Anyways, I don't have to explain myself to you so I'll stop this senseless banter and do what I'm told and shown. My calling comes from God and as he told me, people would not listen. Well that is already coming to pass, in a "Spirit filled" forum no less, wow....

When I was "young" in the Lord and wanting so much to be used of God.

A thought came.

A thought than many "young" in the Lord had and will have.

What was the thought?

"You are called to be a watchman".

However to make a long story short.

As I read and studied the word on "a watchman".

There was a huge problem.

Scripture did not validate the call.

After a while I accepted the "call to be a watchman" for what it was.

A deception of the deceiver.

The deceiver being the devil.

Then I was free to learn what God really wanted me to do.

:)
 
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Anyway, watchmen are vigilant. Watchful in an ever steady prayerful spirit. Ready to jump into intercession wherever the Spirit leads. They are not concerned with the rabble that seeks to destroy them. Their calling comes only from God and they answer directly to him for their calling. If they fail in their job and duty, many can perish. If they succeed then disaster may yet be averted. They are loners, standing upon the ramparts in the dark, watchful and alert for any sign or revelation of danger.

Habakkuk 2:1-3 ESV

I will take my stand at my watchpost and station myself on the tower, and look out to see what he will say to me, and what I will answer concerning my complaint. And the Lord answered me: “Write the vision; make it plain on tablets, so he may run who reads it. For still the vision awaits its appointed time; it hastens to the end—it will not lie. If it seems slow, wait for it; it will surely come; it will not delay.

Colossians 4:2 ESV

Continue steadfastly in prayer, being watchful in it with thanksgiving.

Watchmen are rejected by the majority. Their eyes are fastened upon heaven and their praise comes from the LORD who grants them the knowledge of inner truth. They have a special relationship with God as granted them through the Spirit. They are called and granted his eyes and ears. They possess his heart and in sacrificial love, walk as he walked.

Watchmen are unique and cherished saints. Their duty is difficult and the journey is arduous. But they have been called and the responsibility lay with them, for if they fail, death and destruction are certain to come.
 
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Be careful Optimax, you are walking "a slippery slope" by saying such things.

You and the other ARE NOT the Holy Spirit and your comments are full of pride and jealousy.

I didn't ask for the calling, and I am sure others didn't as well. Sure some may proclaim themselves as such to make a profit, but Pastors do that as well, so lets just proclaim pastors illegitimate too.

Anyways, I don't have to explain myself to you so I'll stop this senseless banter and do what I'm told and shown. My calling comes from God and as he told me, people would not listen. Well that is already coming to pass, in a "Spirit filled" forum no less, wow....

This is the most hateful response from one who is a "watchmen". You have displayed judgement against your brothers. Matt 7:5 comes into mind.
"You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye."
Filled with jealousy? We are questioning what you are saying is God's word because it counters what we read in scripture. There is a large difference between the OT and the NT. The NT we are filled with the Holy Spirit to guide us. That includes helping our brothers stay on the right path.

We are not saying you didn't have a vision, or even a calling. We are trying to understand it. Paul too had a vision.
2 Corinth 12:21
"I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven. Whether it was in the body or out of the body I do not know--God knows."

What is he saying here? He is saying that although he had a vision he does not boast about it and proclaim it truth. He understands the gospel is all we need and he does not want people to consider him "important".

You say we are NOT the Holy Spirit? You are correct, but the Holy Spirit resides in us.

A more direct question would be, Where is your scriptural backing of claiming you are a "Watchman" in the NT? If any vision does not line up with what we are told in the bible, it's not sound.

I am not jealous of you being a "watchman", prideful? Yeah. I'm a prideful being, filled with sin that is in no way deserving of my salvation. The definition of what a watchman is in the OT seems very much like what all Christians are in the NT. So yes, you may of had a vision, but perhaps you should take out of it that all Christians must be alert and aware of the end times for Jesus spoke of it? He told the disciples to teach that the end is coming. That sounds pretty watchmany to me.

Brother, I just want you to be clear on what you say. We are all tasked with speaking God's Word. That's what the bible is. His Living Word that we should scream it's message to all nations. But to claim to have a different message than what the bible teaches us and that it comes directly from God. That's a very big statement. One so big that your fellow brothers and sisters who love you will be sure to help you come to understand.

Please do not becoming hateful and prideful when you ask questions or direct you to certain parts of the bible. I can speak for myself, that it's not us being jealous of your stance with God, for we all have different paths, it's being good brothers and "watchmen" for each other.

God Bless
 
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Watchmen are often misunderstood. They speak truth as revealed from heaven to those who have been lulled into disbelief and error. Condemned as judgemental, they are often labelled as hateful and proud. When destruction is coming upon those under their charge, watchman step in and cry out for vigilance and repentance. Because they disrupt the normal affairs of life, they are reviled and jeered. Because they do not soothe itching ears, they are rejected and despised.
 
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Nothing about "watchman" here either.

1 Cor 12:28
And God hath set some in the church, first apostles , secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
KJV
 
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Watchmen are often misunderstood. They speak truth as revealed from heaven to those who have been lulled into disbelief and error. Condemned as judgemental, they are often labelled as hateful and proud. When destruction is coming upon those under their charge, watchman step in and cry out for vigilance and repentance. Because they disrupt the normal affairs of life, they are reviled and jeered. Because they do not soothe itching ears, they are rejected and despised.

Truth from heaven? What? We have our truth from heaven, it's called Christ dying for our sins and God giving us his words in the gospel.

To me it seems as if you are comparing yourself to Ezekiel.

I really hope you understand how dangerous it is to say that you have truth from heaven.

God is a unchanging God. He has clear rules and order given to us in the NT. For you to go against that and say that you have some sort of special message for us that is not given to us through His Word. Well buddy, you should pray.

I'll pray, too.
 
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The way we know truth?

John 17:17
Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. KJV

In case ya missed it.

The word is the truth.

What is received from a spirit will line up with the word if it is from The Holy Spirit.
 
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Nothing about "watchman" here either.

1 Cor 12:28
And God hath set some in the church, first apostles , secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
KJV

Nothing there about worship leaders either. Nothing there about pastors. See how that works :)
 
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Be careful Optimax, you are walking "a slippery slope" by saying such things.

You and the other ARE NOT the Holy Spirit and your comments are full of pride and jealousy.

I didn't ask for the calling, and I am sure others didn't as well. Sure some may proclaim themselves as such to make a profit, but Pastors do that as well, so lets just proclaim pastors illegitimate too.

Anyways, I don't have to explain myself to you so I'll stop this senseless banter and do what I'm told and shown. My calling comes from God and as he told me, people would not listen. Well that is already coming to pass, in a "Spirit filled" forum no less, wow....

Optimax,is not the one in danger

lone rangers are dangerous and those who do not submit themselves to others their counsel should not be heeded.
 
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Truth from heaven? What? We have our truth from heaven, it's called Christ dying for our sins and God giving us his words in the gospel.

To me it seems as if you are comparing yourself to Ezekiel.

I really hope you understand how dangerous it is to say that you have truth from heaven.

God is a unchanging God. He has clear rules and order given to us in the NT. For you to go against that and say that you have some sort of special message for us that is not given to us through His Word. Well buddy, you should pray.

I'll pray, too.

You say he is unchanging but then deny your words by invoking the NT. God called Ezekiel as a watchman so if he is unchanging then watchmen still are called... psst and they are. :)

Are you even part of the Spirit filled forum community. I hardly see you post in this forum and if you do its only once every blue moon
 
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Notice who the Holy Spirit convicts.

So ya don't miss it.

The answer is "the world".

John 16:8-11

8 and having come, He will convict the world concerning sin, and concerning righteousness, and concerning judgment;

9 concerning sin indeed, because they do not believe in me;

10 and concerning righteousness, because unto my Father I go away, and no more do ye behold me;

11 and concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world hath been judged.
YLT
 
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The way we know truth?

John 17:17
Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. KJV

In case ya missed it.

The word is the truth.

What is received from a spirit will line up with the word if it is from The Holy Spirit.
If you trust what Jesus taught, truth is a person (in case you missed it, Optimax).

Scripture, on the other hand, is God-breathed and not subject to private interpretation. Which means (in case you missed it) God's Spirit is the only reliable interpretor of God-breathed scripture.

What you are suggesting, Optimax, is that an (alleged) revelation from God's Spirit can only be valid if it "lines up with" your current understanding of scripture. Don't you see a problem with that?
 
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You say he is unchanging but then deny your words by invoking the NT. God called Ezekiel as a watchman so if he is unchanging then watchmen still are called... psst and they are. :)

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There were prophets because they did not have the Holy Spirit or the Living Word.

It was God's form of communication at that time.

I will ask you again, brother. Where is your scripture confirming YOUR appointment as a watchman? That you defy the point that the NT is basically calling us ALL as Christians to be a watchman? Where is your special message and where does it say that God will give us messages that are not already in His Word?

I'm asking you to be precise, because I do not think you understand the forces at play here.
 
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Just to amuse you as I know I cant post anything to satisfy your doubt and skepticism...

Ezekiel 33:7 ESV

“So you, son of man, I have made a watchman for the house of Israel. Whenever you hear a word from my mouth, you shall give them warning from me.
 
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If you trust what Jesus taught, truth is a person (in case you missed it, Optimax).

Scripture, on the other hand, is God-breathed and not subject to private interpretation. Which means (in case you missed it) God's Spirit is the only reliable interpretor of God-breathed scripture.

What you are suggesting, Optimax, is that an (alleged) revelation from God's Spirit can only be valid if it "lines up with" your current understanding of scripture. Don't you see a problem with that?

The reason people get confused about the word is explained by Jesus in John 7:17.

read it study it so it is understood.
 
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Just to amuse you as I know I cant post anything to satisfy your doubt and skepticism...

Ezekiel 33:7 ESV

“So you, son of man, I have made a watchman for the house of Israel. Whenever you hear a word from my mouth, you shall give them warning from me.

Again so ya don't miss it.

Pay close attention to "for the house of Israel".
 
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