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(The brain and the soul,)

Discussion in 'Non-denominational' started by bumpas, Feb 7, 2002.

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  1. bumpas

    bumpas New Member

    Every one knows that the brain is simply a reciever and transmiter of electro magnetic energy and that no one can control there thoughts, as we can only react to them.

    Is the soul,simply an other form of energy that man has yet to discover and come to terms with???
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  2. Willis Deal

    Willis Deal Member

    You can't control your thoughts?

  3. ZiSunka

    ZiSunka It means 'yellow dog'

    No, the soul is not, strictly speaking, a part of our physical universe, but something that is made out of whatever God is made out of.
  4. bumpas

    bumpas New Member

    That is true,canyou control your dreams???
  5. Willis Deal

    Willis Deal Member

    Of course I can control my thoughts, how else would I be able to find this forum, be able to draw from experience and compose a literate reply?

    Control your dreams? That is an entirely different matter than controlling thoughts, but a person can learn to control dreams, in somewhat the same manner that eastern mystics can control their blood pressure, heart rate, etc.

    God commands, through Paul, to 'take every thought captive'... to 'think on good things'. That we are in control of our thoughts seems so obvious I'm wondering if you really meant what you said?
  6. postrib

    postrib Well-Known Member

    > ...Is the soul,simply an other form of energy that man has yet
    > to discover and come to terms with?...

    If by soul you mean spirit, I would say yes.

    Just as matter consists of vast amounts of energy, whereby it can be converted into energy at the ratio of energy equalling matter times the speed of light squared, I would not be surprised if energy itself is supported in its existence by God's Spirit, for it says that it is in Jesus himself that all things consist (Colossians 1:17).

    In order to explain virtual particles, which are bits of matter that spontaneously arise within a vacuum (a volume of space/time containing no detectible matter or energy), physicists ascribe to every point in space an indetectible yet infinite energy potential, which they call the "zero point" or "vacuum point" energy. I believe what they're referring to can only be the infinite Spirit of Christ himself, who brings all things into existence and upholds all things by his own power (Hebrews 1:2-3).

    Non-believing science currently deals only with energy and matter, not with spirit (Ecclesiastes 11:5). It remains within the four dimensions of the physical creation: the three spatial dimensions and the one temporal dimension. But I believe there are more than three spatial dimensions. Note that even some of science's own cosmological theories have begun to require "10-dimensional superstrings" and even an "imaginary time."

    I believe that just as there are three physical spatial dimensions, so there are three spiritual spatial dimensions, these six spatial dimensions sharing a single temporal dimension. I believe the account of the spirit of the rich man in the spiritual realm within the earth speaking with the spirit of Abraham at a distance within that same realm yet within the same temporal dimension as the physical realm shows this must be the case (Luke 16:22-31).

    I believe the relation of the spiritual dimensions to our own may be grasped by thinking of the relation of our three dimensional space to a two dimensional space. Just as we can reach out and touch a two dimensional plane, say a painting, so that only part of us, say our fingertips, are on that plane while the rest of us remains in three spatial dimensions, so I believe angelic beings, who reside in the spiritual dimensions, can reach their fingers into our dimensions while keeping the rest of their bodies out, as in Daniel 5:5. Spiritual dimensions can similarly explain how Jesus in his resurrected body could suddenly appear in the midst of the disciples within a shut room (John 20:26). He was able to move within all seven dimensions of the spiritual and physical creation, withdrawing or revealing himself within the three spatial dimensions of the physical realm as he pleased. He could pass through a closed door as easily as we can pass our finger over a line on a page.

    Since God himself created all the dimensions of this creation, he himself must exist in a manner which is beyond all dimensions.

  7. JohnR7

    JohnR7 Well-Known Member

    There are only two kinds of thoughts. The divine thoughts of God, that Jesus had, and that we are to have, who have the mind of Christ. Then there are the devils thoughts (of rebellion). There is no middle ground, people think there is, but not so.

    In the Garden of Eden, man & women had divine thoughts. They were made in the Image of God and their thoughts were well pleasing to God. But then the devil came along and ruined all of that, by giving them thoughts of rebellion.

    Now, Christ has come to redeem us, and show us how we can once again be Children of God, we can once again have the divine thoughts of God. The sermon on the mount goes a very long way toward showing us the Jesus attitude that we are to have. Even the first ten are the beattitudes to show us the proper attitude we are to have. Thanks, JohnR7

    Genesis 6:5
    And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
  8. Willis Deal

    Willis Deal Member


    Do you have a bible verse to back up the statement 'There are only two kinds of thoughts. The divine thoughts of God, that Jesus had, and that we are to have, who have the mind of Christ. Then there are the devils thoughts (of rebellion). There is no middle ground, people think there is, but not so.'

    I guess it is true, in an absolute sense, since there is either good or evil, black or white, God or Satan. But in a practical sense there are many thoughts which seem to be neither divine nor wicked. I think about my job, plan my work, ponder various mysteries in an attempt to solve or provide a reasonable explanation. Many such things are actually mundane and it is hard to consider these things 'divine', unless your definition of divine is simply lack of evil. Or perhaps they are evil because they lack a divine element...?
  9. Wave

    Wave member

    We as saved have the mind of Christ, I think he will lead our thoughts about the job etc. if we command our mind to Christ. If we are close to Him every day he will give us these "right" thoughts so we do everything according to his will. The devil will still try to put his thoughts in our minds but we will know what is from God. I don't hink this will happen over one night, It take about a lifetime;) But teh best way is to "renew our minds" every day. Then we will see that "He that's living in us is greater than he taht is in the world!
  10. zamar

    zamar Member

    so if I'm thinking about a ham sandwich. which type of thought am I having?

    The soul is the mind, will, and emotions. It is separate from the spirit and it is also separate from the body.

  11. SenseiPiccolo

    SenseiPiccolo Well-Known Member


    When Jesus was raised the third day--
    His body was still dead-- yet He was still alive--

    why was his body still dead...
    doubting thomas stuck his hands and fingers INTO the holes of Jesus hands/feeet/ and his side--

    The soul is much more that energy...
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