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The Book of Enoch

Discussion in 'General Theology' started by Stryder06, Nov 4, 2013.

  1. yeshuasavedme

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    The ancient of Days is Christ. No man hath seen the Father at any time, and the kingdom is given to the saints to reign over, under Christ, in the Person of God the Word in the Person of the Ancient of Days. The angel in Daniel 7 told Daniel that the one like the son of man is the saints of the Most high who will receive the kingdom -and we receive it from Christ, who received it from the Father.
    Since the ascension of Christ and His glorification, He already sat down in heaven, but we get to sit with Him after the rapture -and assignment of duties of service- in the heavenly priesthood under Him, the Everlasting Father and the God of the whole earth.




    He sits on the Throne in heaven and the saints of the Most High, raptured as one New Man =the Church, comes to Him on the clouds and receive the kingdom they will reign over forever, under Him, who is the Everlasting Father and the "God of the whole earth: the redeemed receive back -from Him who ransomed it- the kingdom Adam lost and which He takes His power unto Himself and reigns over it at the appointed time.

    Dan 7:9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.

    Dan 7:22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.
    Rev 1:13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.
    Rev 1:14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;
    Rev 1:14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;
    Rev 1:15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.
    Rev 1:16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.
     
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  2. yeshuasavedme

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    The secret name, revealed, is Israel, which is a contraction of
    Ish-Sar-El.
    It was invoked over Jacob, and never was heard or revealed until the angel of God -the angel of the Face- invoked it over Jacob. It is a sign of the adoption which was to come in that name.

    Enoch said it was secret, and was to be revealed to the elect.

    "What is His name, and his son's name, if you can tell", said Solomon, because the name was secret, and is the name of God come in flesh, and He is the Kinsman/Redeemer, in that flesh, to the Adam creation and has the Right of Kinsman to ransom what the brother sold.

    Jdg 13:18 And the angel of the LORD said unto him, Why askest thou thus after my name, seeing it is secret?
    Jdg 13:22 And Manoah said unto his wife, We shall surely die, because we have seen God.


    Gen 32:29 And Jacob asked him, and said, Tell me, I pray thee, thy name. And he said, Wherefore is it that thou dost ask after my name? And he blessed him there.

    Gen 32:30 And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.
    Gen 32:30 And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.

    Jacob knew that he had the formerly secret name invoked over him, and he built a memorial altar named "God, the Mighty God, Israel", in the Hebrew.
    Gen 33:20 And he erected there an altar, and called it El-elohe-Israel. God, the Mighty God, Israel"



    The name was secret until it was invoked over Jacob, and it is the name of YHWH come in the garment He donned -as Isaiah 59 says- which was prepared for Him to wear in the womb of the virgin, and that is New Man created flesh of Kinsman/Redeemer, brother to the Adam creation and in whose image[ to come] Adam was bodily made, as Genesis 1 and Romans 5:14 state.

    Jer 31:22 How long wilt thou go about, O thou backsliding daughter? for the LORD hath created a new thing in the earth, A woman shall compass a man/Geber.

    His body of flesh was created new, and has a New Man Name. Adam is the old man name -Genesis 5:2 "male and female made He them, and called their name, Adam..."
    The New Name will be the DNA of the regenerated flesh of every adopted son of God -of the Mighty God/the God of the whole earth, El-ELOHE-Israel", our" everlasting Father [Adam died] and the God of the whole earth", and who promised to not leave us orphans -as our first father, Adam, did, but to come to us, into us, and regenerate our Spirit, and that is the adoption of the spirit; and writing of His New Name on our DNA regenerated is the adoption of the body.
    Adoption of the body is the moment that our flesh is elementally dissolved in the rapture and morphosed instantly to the image of the New Man, or else raptured from the grave or the elements and morphosed instantly into the image of the New Man.
    Added edit: Look "adoption" up in the concordance and see the spirit born again is adoption into Christ's one living Spirit and the body born again by regeneration of its elements is the adoptiuon of the flesh for which we long.


    The secret name of the Son of Man in heaven was a big deal in Enoch, and is now revealed, and is a big deal in the Word.

    Rev 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

    49 “Listen, O coastlands, to Me,
    And take heed, you peoples from afar!
    The Lord has called Me from the womb;
    From the matrix of My mother He has made mention of My name.
    2 And He has made My mouth like a sharp sword;
    In the shadow of His hand He has hidden Me,
    And made Me a polished shaft;
    In His quiver He has hidden Me.”

    3 “And He said to me,
    ‘You are My servant, O Israel,
    In whom I will be glorified.’
    4 Then I said, ‘I have labored in vain,
    I have spent my strength for nothing and in vain;
    Yet surely my just reward is with the Lord,
    And my work with my God.’”

    5 “And now the Lord says,
    Who formed Me from the womb to be His Servant,
    To bring Jacob back to Him,
    So that Israel is gathered to Him[a]
    (For I shall be glorious in the eyes of the Lord,
    And My God shall be My strength),
    6 Indeed He says,
    ‘It is too small a thing that You should be My Servant
    To raise up the tribes of Jacob,
    And to restore the preserved ones of Israel;
    I will also give You as a light to the Gentiles,
    That You should be My salvation to the ends of the earth.’”
     
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  3. Lion King

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    I'm guessing you missed these verses on purpose? Again, Scripture does hint at angels being given charge over the elemental forces by the LORD.

    Still another angel, who had charge of the fire, came from the altar and called in a loud voice to him who had the sharp sickle, "Take your sharp sickle and gather the clusters of grapes from the earth's vine, because its grapes are ripe. Revelation 14:18

    Then I heard the angel in charge of the waters say: "You are just in these judgments, O Holy One, you who are and who were; Revelation 16:5
     
  4. Lion King

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    Doesn't the Scriptures say that the false prophet will be able to call fire down from heaven and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect?

    Also, didn't Jesus rebuke the disciples for trying to abuse the elemental forces?

    And when His disciples James and John saw this, they said, “Lord, do You want us to command fire to come down from heaven and consume them, just as Elijah did?”

    But He turned and rebuked them, and said, “You do not know what manner of spirit you are of. For the Son of Man did not come to destroy men’s lives but to save them.” And they went to another village. Luke 9:54-56
     
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  5. yeshuasavedme

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    Witchcraft is using evil powers to have authority over the elements, and that was taught by the fallen angels to the sons of Adam, and the demons are the offspring of those sons of God who are chained, and they teach wicked men how to have dominion over the elemental forces, which is witchcraft.

    We have watched many witchdoctors -called herbalists- who use occult powers to control the forces of nature and the spirits of the animals and birds- be delivered from the evil spirits by the mighty power of Jesus Christ in His anointed servants. Those men confess and have told how they use the forces for money paid to them to curse enemies of those seeking their powers -and other things...

    On SCOAN, there are many recordings witnessing the deliverance and confessions and demonstrations of how they did it, when the documented stories continue for the confessions of those who came for deliverance, and the cameras and teams of anointed servants of God follow them to their places where they practiced as witchdoctors before their deliverance, and all items are destroyed. Even the pigeons used in witchcraft by one witchdoctor was delivered of the evil spirits by the man of God -I would have expected the birds to have been slain, but he chose to set it free from its captivity to the evil powers so as to live a normal life.
    God is good! and He is the same yesterday, today, and forever!
     
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  6. rockytopva

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    1. The book of Enoch... Big deal!
    2. Any other book outside the 66 in the bible... Big deal!
    3. The Book of Mormon... Big deal!

    I don't understand anything of special significance outside the 66 books of the bible.
     
  7. Lion King

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    Probably because you are Protestant. If you weren't, you would understand...
     
  8. Stryder06

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    Didn't miss those verses at all. You didn't use them so I didn't speak about them. I wasn't arguing against angles having power of the elements. I was speaking against the idea that the elements possessed spirits.
     
  9. yeshuasavedme

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    The elements are created spirits, which is "forces". If they were not, we could not exist in a creation that was without the life forces to make it run, in order and do what God commanded them to do for our benefit and blessing -or cursing, as He deems, for He does curse and bless using His forces/spirits of creation, and they all obey his voice.
     
  10. Lion King

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    Then why did you reply to my post earlier? It was addressed at Cogent who insisted that no angels have been given charge over the elements.
     
  11. Stryder06

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    Jesus rebuked them because of the spirit of their heart. And they wouldn't have been harnessing the power of nature. There's nothing "natural" about fire falling from the sky. What they were asking was for the ability to execute judgment upon that town.
     
  12. Stryder06

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    The verse you used was out of place and I was a bit confused by it. I spoke out of turn. Even still I don't think it's prudent to say that there are angels in charge of the elements. I don't think we fully understand what it means when the bible speaks about the angel who was in charge of fire, and the angel of the water. It may not mean what we think it could, especially given the place it was recorded.
     
  13. Lion King

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    You do understand the second beast mentioned in Revelation 13 is the false prophet, right?

    Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There!’ do not believe it. For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. Matthew 24:23-24

    Yes, and God rebuked both John and James for trying to abuse the elemental forces.
     
  14. Lion King

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    What else could it mean?
     
  15. yeshuasavedme

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    The confusion is not from God, and He has said there are angels in charge of the spirits/forces, of nature, and those spirits are the elemental forces of nature and they are created spirits who obey the Creator and run the universe according to His Voice and command from the beginning, and they all worship God, as the Psalmist wrote and as John wrote, as I posted earlier but which you ignore.
     
  16. Stryder06

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    I don't believe so. Beast's represent nations, not individuals.

    He didn't say anything about them abusing the elemental force. Again, fire doesn't rain down from heaven. That's a feat done by God and God alone. He rebuked them for having such a judgmental spirit.
     
  17. Stryder06

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    Again, where do the scriptures say any of this? We agree though that this confusion isn't from God.
     
  18. Stryder06

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    It could mean a great deal of things. Not everything will be properly understood on this side of heaven. Revelation is highly symbolic, and those references could point to something else.
     
  19. yeshuasavedme

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    Only if you do not believe what "is written" and seek to discover something outside of what "is written" to justify your own fallible opinion.
     
  20. Fenwick

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    This projection is uncanny.
     
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