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The Book of Enoch

Discussion in 'General Theology' started by Stryder06, Nov 4, 2013.

  1. LittleLambofJesus

    LittleLambofJesus PESKY DEVIL! GIT! l SAID GIT! Supporter

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    I found the 8 weeks mentioned in Enoch [which I made a thread on some time back].........

    http://www.christianforums.com/t6895192/#post52126268
    Enoch and the 8 weeks

    Enoch 93 1 I was born the seventh in the first week, While judgement and righteousness still endured.

    4 And after me there shall arise in the second week great wickedness, And deceit shall have sprung up; And in it there shall be the first end. And in it a man shall be saved; And after it is ended unrighteousness shall grow up, And a law shall be made for the sinners.
    4 And after me there shall arise in the second week great wickedness, And deceit shall have sprung up; And in it there shall be the first end THE FLOOD. And in it a man NOAH AND HIS FAMILY shall be saved; And after it is ended unrighteousness shall grow up, And a law AGAINST THE LAWLESS shall be made for the sinners.


    5 And after that in the third week at its close A man shall be elected as the plant of righteous judgement, And his posterity shall become the plant of righteousness for evermore.

    6 And after that in the fourth week, at its close, Visions of the holy and righteous shall be seen, And a law for all generations and an enclosure shall be made for them.

    7 And after that in the fifth week, at its close, The house of glory and dominion shall be built for ever.

    8 And after that in the sixth week all who live in it shall be blinded, And the hearts of all of them shall godlessly forsake wisdom. And in it a man shall ascend; And at its close the house of dominion shall be burnt with fire, And the whole race of the chosen root shall be dispersed.

    And after that in the seventh week shall an apostate generation arise, And many shall be its deeds, And all its deeds shall be apostate. 10 And at its close shall be elected The elect righteous of the eternal, plant of righteousness, To receive sevenfold instruction concerning all His creation.

    12 And after that there shall be another, the eighth week, that of righteousness, And a sword shall be given to it that a righteous judgement may be executed on the oppressors, And sinners shall be delivered into the hands of the righteous. 13 And at its close they shall acquire houses through their righteousness, And a house shall be built for the Great King in glory for evermore, 14d And all mankind shall look to the path of uprightness.



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  2. PaladinValer

    PaladinValer Traditional Orthodox Anglican

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    That wasn't a curse. Not even the word "anathema" was there. I want proof of a curse or at least some sort of anathematization.

    The rest of your reply has nothing to do with my challenge.

    I want proof, not conjecture.
     
  3. yeshuasavedme

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    There is a stop in counting those weeks when the Church age begins.
    When the Church is raptured out, the the signs which the sign nation, nation, Israel, is made for, begin again.
    Until the stop, the weeks are 700 years each, and after that, I am not sure.
    One thing it made me think about is that when the heavens and earth are regenerated, Adam will forever be cut off, and no longer multiply the seed within himself [which comes at the end of the millennial reign], but Israel, as the name of the New Man, will continue forever, on earth, generation to generation -even a thousand generations of His blessed seed are guaranteed in the Word!
    If the millennial Day is counted a generation for the New Man bodies of those who are not yet translated to glory -which is what Adam was to have lived and procreated in, so as for God to "get godly seed" by the Adam multiplying after his kind -Malachi 2:15, then you have a thousand times a thousand for a million years to come, and more after that, because each generation will live the promise!

    No marriage in heaven because the glorified seed will be perfected sons of God, in body, soul, and spirit, and will rule from the heavens over the earth forever!
    What a future the creation has, by God's promises!




    Those who enter into that new creation, on the restored earth, will have new man bodies and will not die, but they will not be changed/morphosed into the Glory bodies until they complete their "day" of one thousand years, and produce the children God seeks for His glory to indwell, which is what would have happened if Adam had never fallen, for God intended to "Plant the heavens" with the translated transformed earthlings, as His glorified sons of God, who are equal with the angels and do not marry nor give in marriage, as marriage was made for the purpose of God getting godly seed to build His Temple not made with hands, and each seed was to be a part of that temple.
    That is what redemption and the ransom of the kingdom is about, in His New Name.

    Now He will "Plant the heavens" with the seed named "Israel", not Adam, the fallen one; circumcision on the 8th day for all males born in Israel is the sign of the cutting off of the multiplying of the Adam seed in the 8th day, which is the New Beginning.
     
  4. yeshuasavedme

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    You obviously did not read.
    Anathema is curse.
     
  5. WisdomTree

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    Go easy on him PaladinValer, he must've been over-exaggerating it for the sake of making it look more interesting. Gotta admit, there used to be a law against printing "incomplete bibles".
     
  6. PaladinValer

    PaladinValer Traditional Orthodox Anglican

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    Where in the quote is the word used. I'll quote it verbatum:

    In the year 1615 Archbishop Gorge Abbott, a High Commission Court member and one of the original translators of the 1611 translation, "forbade anyone to issue a Bible without the Apocrypha on pain of one year's imprisonment".

    Where is the words "curse" or "anathema" found?

    Oh, and anathema doesn't automatically mean "cursed"; the word has a more broad definition than that. Do please check the dictionary.

    I ask again: what proof is there that an Archbishop of Canterbury placed a curse or anathema as you claim?
     
  7. WisdomTree

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    I thought it was King James VI of Scotland and I of England, France, and Ireland, fidei defensor, that made a decree against printing an incomplete bible? :confused:
     
  8. yeshuasavedme

    yeshuasavedme Senior Veteran

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    Anathema in the Bible is to be cursed, and that, you cannot say nay about.

     
  9. yeshuasavedme

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    Luther acted on his beliefs, and wrote his own Bible translation, and he shows that "canon" was not by consensus of all men of all the age of all the Church.
     
  10. Fenwick

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    Proper, orthodox Christianity of course. ;)

    That's been my suspicion: that rather than the Scriptures citing Enoch perhaps someone read the Scriptures and then expounded on one small part of it and attributed it to someone (Enoch) whom hadn't been cited anywhere else before.
     
  11. PaladinValer

    PaladinValer Traditional Orthodox Anglican

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    Sorry; it doesn't...the Greek word means "a thing dedicated; to set up, particularly to something evil.

    anathema - Wiktionary

    Etymology is something that is a must study.

    And the challenge is about the Archbishop of Canterbury, not Trent. I'd like proof and I am still waiting.
     
  12. yeshuasavedme

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    1Cr 16:22

    If anyone does not love the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be anethema/ accursed. O Lord, come!

    Act 23:14 They came to the chief priests and elders, and said, “We have bound ourselves under a great oath/curse/anathema that we will eat nothing until we have killed Paul.

    Rom 9:3 For I could wish that I myself were accursed/anathema from Christ for my brethren, my countrymenfn according to the flesh,
    1Cr 12:3 Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God calls Jesus accursed/anathema, and no one can say that Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit.


    Gal 1:8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed/anathema.
    Gal 1:9 As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed/anathema.

    The Bible is a must study:) -and so is history of the writings accepted as sacred by the ancient believers in Christ and in the believers in YHWH before Christ a must study, if you want to enter into debates about the book of Enoch.
    Just blowing off your own opinions or attacking others for using it by your own say-so is not worth anything more than tomorrow's weather report.
     
  13. PaladinValer

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    Except I proved your false opinion wrong with etymology. Furthermore, the evidence asked for was never provided.

    Glory to God that He inspired me to prove false beliefs wrong.
     
  14. LittleLambofJesus

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    Interesting!

    http://www.christianforums.com/t5340106/
    Anathema to Sabbath-keepers - Council of Laodicea

    Luke 21:5 And certain-ones saying about the Temple, that to stones, goodly and to devoted-things/anaqhmasin <334> it has been adorned/kekosmhtai <2885> (5769). He said,.........

    Acts 23:14 Who-any toward coming to the Chief-priests and to the Elders say "to-anathema/anaqemati <331> we anathemtize/aneqematisamen <332> (5656) ourselves of no yet nothing to taste till of which we may be killingPaul.

    Reve 22:3 and every anathema/katanaqema <2652> not shall be still.
    And the throne of the God/YHWH and of the Lamb-kin/Word in Her shall be, and His bond-servants shall be offering divine-service to Him.



    History of God's Holy Bible and the so-called Jews

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    ....The Hebrew word translated "utterly destroy" is 'cherem.' Both the people and the land of Canaan were 'cherem,' meaning FORCIBLY dedicated to God as withdrawn from His service and worship wherein He was not glorified, and by the hands of another, devoted to Him for destruction whereby He will be glorified. The equivalent Greek word is "anathema.".......


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  15. yeshuasavedme

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    Originally Posted by yeshuasavedme [​IMG] 1Cr 16:22

    If anyone does not love the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be anethema/ accursed. O Lord, come!

    Act 23:14 They came to the chief priests and elders, and said, “We have bound ourselves under a great oath/curse/anathema that we will eat nothing until we have killed Paul.

    Rom 9:3 For I could wish that I myself were accursed/anathema from Christ for my brethren, my countrymenfn according to the flesh,
    1Cr 12:3 Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God calls Jesus accursed/anathema, and no one can say that Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit.


    Gal 1:8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed/anathema.
    Gal 1:9 As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed/anathema.
    The Bible is a must study:) -and so is history of the writings accepted as sacred by the ancient believers in Christ and in the believers in YHWH before Christ a must study, if you want to enter into debates about the book of Enoch.
    Just blowing off your own opinions or attacking others for using it by your own say-so is not worth anything more than tomorrow's weather report.



    IN the face of the Word of God you still do not believe that anethema means accursed!
    Translators of the Word rebuke you! Anethema above, from the Greek Bible is translated accursed, and the oath is a bad one, to curse another with.
     
  16. Keachian

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    Heb 11:5 is not a mention of 1Enoch, to say otherwise is to shoehorn in something where it doesn't exist.
     
  17. yeshuasavedme

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    Mat 8:27 But the men marvelled, saying, What manner of man is this, that even the winds and the sea obey him!
    Mar 4:39 And he arose, and rebuked the wind, and said unto the sea, Peace, be still. And the wind ceased, and there was a great calm.

    To whom was Jesus speaking when He said "Peace Be still!"

    Every created thing is spirit/power/force, according to the Word of God, and all obey God.

    Witchcraft is the misuse of the created natures of the spirits, so as to to do evil. so witchcraft is dominion in a wrong way over the forces of creation.

    All the created forces of nature in heaven and in earth answer to God the Word, their Creator.

    Job 38:35 Canst thou send lightnings, that they may go, and say unto thee, Here we are?

    The stars are angels/spirits/forces, and each has a name, and they are to do God's will. They control the forces of nature in the winds, the rains, the hail, and so on...they bring in the seasons.

    There are angels/spirits of the four winds, in the Word, who do the will of God.
    There is the spirit of the water, in the word of God.
    Winds, water, lightning, hail, snow, and so on and so forth -all were made by God, ordained to do their special tasks for man on earth, and all serve Him.


    Jdg 5:20 They fought from heaven; the stars in their courses fought against Sisera.

    Job 38:22 Hast thou entered into the treasures of the snow? or hast thou seen the treasures of the hail,


    Your assumption that hail did not exist before rain is not Bible doctrine.
     
  18. yeshuasavedme

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    Ish -Sar- El ="Israel" is the name of the Kinsman/Redeemer and His own name was invoked over Jacob as a sign of the adoption to come.
    Yes, that name was secret until it was invoked over Jacob.

    And the Son of Man is God the Word in heaven, as seen by Enoch, as "Wisdom, God in mystery hidden, whom God ordained before the world unto our glory" -as Paul wrote, quoting from Enoch.

    He was with God and He was God, says John, cause John read Enoch, and that is where the doctrine of the Son of Man as God the Word is, it is not in the Torah.
    In Torah, we read that Adam is made male and female in the image -bodily image- of God, and in the bodily image of God who was to come, says Paul, in Romans 5:14.


    And Daniel 7 says The Ancient of Days/Christ in His body of incarnation, ascended and glorified, is seen sitting on the throne and one like the son of man comes on the clouds before him, and that one like the son of man is the one New Man =the entire congregation of saints of the Most High, raptured, who approach Him on His throne and receive the kingdom from Him, to reign with Him.
    Jesus is seated on the throne, having ransomed the kingdom, and He gives the kingdom to His saints which kingdom Adam lost, and which He ransomed back.
    In Enoch, the particular wording is the Head of Days, in Daniel and in Revelation it is the Ancient of Days -same thing, but the one like the son of man is the Church, raptured.



    Dan 7:16 I came near unto one of them that stood by, and asked him the truth of all this. So he told me, and made me know the interpretation of the things....
    Dan 7:18 But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever.
     
  19. Fenwick

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    Boy, you are really stretching to cram that together. Christ's ability to calm a storm does not equate to their being spirits or demigods or any such thing who normally govern such forces.

    Christ was able to calm the forces of nature. Enough said.
     
  20. Lion King

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    Doesn't the Scriptures say that angels govern the elements?

    After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth to prevent any wind from blowing on the land or on the sea or on any tree. Revelation 7:1

    Still another angel, who had charge of the fire, came from the altar and called in a loud voice to him who had the sharp sickle, "Take your sharp sickle and gather the clusters of grapes from the earth's vine, because its grapes are ripe. Revelation 14:18

    Then I heard the angel in charge of the waters say: "You are just in these judgments, O Holy One, you who are and who were; Revelation 16:5
     
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