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The Book of Enoch

Discussion in 'General Theology' started by Stryder06, Nov 4, 2013.

  1. Lion King

    Lion King Veni, vidi, vici

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    Can you tell us when men started worshipping other gods?
     
  2. Stryder06

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    The way the book of Enoch is written sounds as if it were written from the perspective of someone who's already read the scripture, and not someone who was first to prophesy
     
  3. Stryder06

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    After the flood.
     
  4. WisdomTree

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    I thought it was after Cain separated himself from God? :confused:
     
  5. Lion King

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    any Scriptural evidence?
     
  6. Stryder06

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    What idols would those be?



    God of god's is referring to Him as the one true God over every false god.

    Where does scripture say this?

    Israel isn't a secret name of the Son of Man. Gen 32:38 - And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.

    That said, Enoch says "Son of Man" while Daniel says "One like the Son of man", and yes there is a difference.


    I'm sorry but this doesn't make any sense to me. :confused:
     
  7. Stryder06

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    Do you have any that says there was idol worship before hand? I don't see any. So yeah, I'm not going to play that game with you again. You like to ask questions, but don't like to answer any.
     
  8. yeshuasavedme

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    Nope, all that was written about Christ who was to come was written there before Christ came in flesh, and when Christ came in flesh, the Book of Enoch was being read by students of God's Word.

    Jude quoted from Enoch the prophet's prophesy of the coming of the LORD who is yet to come, in the opening section:

     
  9. Stryder06

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    To my knowledge there isn't any mention of idol worship before the flood. Of course if I'm wrong I'd be fine admitting that. Does the scripture say otherwise?
     
  10. Lion King

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    So, we are all supposed to go along with you on anything you say just because you said so?
     
  11. Stryder06

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    Jude quoted Enoch. This does not mean that he quoted from "The Book of Enoch". Ever consider that what Enoch actually wrote was lost, and this book is a fabrication?
     
  12. Lion King

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    There wasn't any mention of adultery or theft either before the flood, does it mean it didn't happen?
     
  13. Stryder06

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    I don't recall saying that. Not even sure how you came to that conclusion. The OP asks a question, you know, the one you still haven't answered.
     
  14. Tzaousios

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    Lion King, be careful, you are stretching the limits of the literalist hermeneutic. If you become open to accepting the fallacy of arguing from silence, one could ask you what other things happened that aren't mentioned as well. :D
     
  15. Stryder06

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    I'm sure it did.
     
  16. Lion King

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    Duly noted.
     
  17. PaladinValer

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    It was. An individual's opinion doesn't negate that of the group.

    I'd love to see proof of this. Otherwise, I expect a retraction.
     
  18. yeshuasavedme

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    I read that on a Roman Catholic apologetics website a few years ago, and I will find the source -when I have time; meantime, you may see for yourself the history of the power of politics in this matter of canon by doing a simple search:


    Before the Archbishop of Canterbury of the time of the KJV 1611 Bible, the preface to the Geneva Bible stated this:
     
  19. WisdomTree

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    Interesting article. I assumed that the Zwinglian faction and later the Calvinist faction didn't completely agree with Luther in terms of the Biblical canon.

    Another interesting thing to note is that Luther didn't think highly of the book of Esther, and what makes this interesting is that the book of Esther as well as couple of other books of the Old Testament, almost didn't make it to the Jewish biblical canon possibly during the so-called Council of Jamnia, 90AD.
     
  20. yeshuasavedme

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    You never address the fact that Enoch was in circulation and read and studied by those who wanted to study the prophets when the LORD Jesus walked the earth in His New Creation human being body. His womb brother, Jude, said" Enoch the prophet, the seventh from Adam" wrote, ....and Jude wrote from what he read in the book of Enoch, itself.

    The Book of Enoch which was in circulation and read, as history proves.
    Even portions of many different copies of the Book of Enoch discovered in the Qumran caves date to the 4th century BC, and that was only the dating of the materials used to copy the ancient Book of Enoch, which has been saved through time as much as any Book of the Bible, because we do not have one single copy of a book of the Bible dating to as early as those Enoch copies, other than one pretty complete copy of Isaiah discovered in the Qumran caves which the Enoch manuscript copies actually date older than!
     
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