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Featured The Biblical Anti-Christ.

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by Marilyn C, Aug 11, 2017.

  1. Hal A Peno

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  2. Marilyn C

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    Hi HighCherub,

    I have heard people say that the anti-Christ, the lawless one, the one against Christ, will be Jewish. Would you care to give your scriptures for that?

    regards, Marilyn.
     
  3. Douggg

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    Marilyn, the person will no longer be the Anti-Christ when he reveals himself as the man of sin, the lawless one.

    The person has to be a Jew to become the Anti-Christ. But, being "the Anti-Christ" is only while the person is the King of Israel. Which his time as the King of Israel will end when he commits the transgression of desolation, revealing himself as the man of sin, the lawless one.

    No "the Anti-Christ" in Revelation 13 and beyond. The person is no longer the Antichrist - the King of Israel - in Revelation 13 and beyond.

    The Antichrist does not equal the beast.
    The Antichrist does not equal the little horn
    The Antichrist does not equal the revealed man of sin
    The Antichrist does not equal the lawless one.

    The Antichrist ONLY equals when the person has been anointed the King of Israel, and is in that position. It only lasts for the first three years, three months (thereabouts) of the seven years, that the person is the Antichrist.

    The coming Antichrist will be the illegitimate King of Israel, instead of and against Jesus the rightful King of Israel.
     
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  4. Douggg

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    Marilyn, who is the righteous branch?

    Who is the abominable branch?

    Isaiah 14:
    19 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.

    20 Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.
     
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    Rev 2:9  "I know your works, tribulation, and poverty (but you are rich); and I know the blasphemy of those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan.
     



    Rev 3:9  Indeed I will make those of the synagogue of Satan, who say they are Jews and are not, but lie—indeed I will make them come and worship before your feet, and to know that I have loved you.
     

    1Jn 2:22  Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son. 
    1Jn 2:23  Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also. 


     
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    I come up with by knowing what the bible says about "the" messiah being the King of Israel. Which according to biblical text "Christ" means messiah. The woman at the well.

    John 4
    25 The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.
    26 Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he.

    Jesus said he is the Messiah to the woman. Which the messiah is the daughters of Zions' king riding on a donkey into Jerusalem, Zechariah 9:9 and was fulfilled in John 12, hailed as the King of Israel, the promised messiah.

    John 12
    12 On the next day much people that were come to the feast, when they heard that Jesus was coming to Jerusalem,
    13 Took branches of palm trees, and went forth to meet him, and cried, Hosanna: Blessed is the King of Israel that cometh in the name of the Lord. [the Antichrist comes in his own name]
    14 And Jesus, when he had found a young ass, sat thereon; as it is written,
    15 Fear not, daughter of Sion: behold, thy King cometh, sitting on an ass's colt.

    Christ means messiah, from John 4:25 above. It was common knowledge back then that the messiah would be the promised Great King of Israel. Jesus was hailed as the King of Israel.

    He was later mocked by the scribes and pharisees, to him being the King of Israel. Mark 15:32, Christ the King of Israel.

    From the bible, knowing what Christ and Messiah means - the promised King of Israel - add the prefix "Anti", which means either instead of or against. Which, in the case of the Anti-Christ is instead of and against Jesus the true Christ and the rightful King of Israel.

     
  9. Douggg

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    The questions were to show Marilyn that the Antichrist has to be a Jew.
     
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    I just responded to you the bible verses of Christ meaning messiah, meaning the promised King of Israel from the text of the Bible. I am not going over that repeatedly. The prefix "Anti" is in the dictionary.

    I gave the bible text of 1John2:18 that them in John's day were already aware that antichrist was coming. The only source they would have had, that we also have is what Jesus said about another coming in his own name, the Jews would accept as messiah, implied, because they rejected Jesus as the promised King of Israel.

    To be the messiah a person has to be a Jew, descended from King David, and basis for Jews that their king only be a Jew is from Deuteronomy 17.

    14 When thou art come unto the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, and shalt possess it, and shalt dwell therein, and shalt say, I will set a king over me, like as all the nations that are about me;

    15 Thou shalt in any wise set him king over thee, whom the LORD thy God shall choose: one from among thy brethren shalt thou set king over thee: thou mayest not set a stranger over thee, which is not thy brother.

    So the person to be descended from King David has to be a Jew, to become the promised King of Israel.- the messiah.


    The person in Isaiah 14, likened to the abominable branch, will be the slain man of sin.

    What you are not grasping is that the person goes through a series of roles. The first role being the little horn; the last being the beast of Revelation.

    There is not a much said about the person while he is in the role of being the Antichrist. Conversely, there is a lot said about the person (as the little horn) before he becomes the Antichrist the illegitimate King of Israel. And a lot said about the person after his time as being the King of Israel is over and he becomes the beast.
     
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    Those verses indicate that the person is a Jew. But what you are not getting is that the person is not in the Antichrist role anymore, in Daniel 11:36-39. Daniel 11:36 picks up when the has become the beast in Revelation 13, because he is claiming to be above every god.

    When the person becomes the Anti-christ by being the anointed the King of Israel, he will not be claiming to be God, at that time. It is not until later into his reign as King of Israel, that he magnifies himself in his heart - to think he is God.

    Daniel 8:25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.

    When he thinks he has achieved God hood, he goes into the temple and commits the transgression of desolation, his last act as the Antichrist (the King of Israel)

    Daniel 8:11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down.

    12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.

    13 Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?

    The transgression of desolation is when the Antichrist goes into the temple, sits, claims to be God in 2thessalonians2:4. It will be his last act as the Antichrist (King of Israel). And the beginning of his transformation into the beast.

    God has the person killed for his magnifying himself in his heart (Daniel 8:25), sitting in the seat of God, showing the nations, that his claim of being God. It is in Ezekiel 28:1-10. prince of Tyrus is just a code name for the person.

    Ezekiel 28:1
    Son of man, say unto the prince of Tyrus, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thine heart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am a God, I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas; yet thou art a man, and not God, though thou set thine heart as the heart of God:

    Then the person is killed and finds himself in hell in Isaiah 14, and God in disdain for the person casts him out of the grave, not letting him stay there, in Isaiah 14:18-19, the abominable branch, he is a Jew. The mortally wounded and comeback to life head in Revelation 13, to become the beast for the last 42 months of the 7 years.
     
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  14. Douggg

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    Well Marilyn wants to know what verses indicate that the Anti-christ will be a Jew. The verses in Isaiah 14:19-20 indicate he is.

    If not. Who do you say the righteous branch is? And who do you say the abominable branch in Isaiah 14:19-20 is?
     
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    The antichrist is an invading ruler of Jerusalem. He is not the king of the Jewish people.

    The religion of the antichrist will be islam.
     
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    based on what? -
    john is the only one to use the term
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    he says it is one who denies the Father and Son
     
  18. Steve Petersen

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    'Anti' can also mean 'another.' 'Another Christ, another Messiah.'

    There were many of these after Jesus. One of the most well known was Simon bar Kochba, proclaimed messiah by Rabbi Akiva during the Second Jewish Revolt against Rome.
     
  19. Douggg

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    1. How is the Assyrian likened to an abominable branch?

    2. The Assyrian is cast out of the grave because he destroys his land and his people? His own Assyrian people. Where are you getting that from in the bible? That is what the anti-Christ is suppose to do in your opinion, destroy his own Assyrian land and his own Assyrian people?

    19 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.

    20 Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.

    Jesus is returning to this earth, to the Mt. of Olives, in Zechariah 14, to rescue the Assyrian people from the Anti-Christ?

    Your identification of the person in Isaiah 14 is wrong and doesn't make sense. It only makes sense if the person is a Jew, descended from King David, a branch, but an abominable branch, and his people are Jews and his Land is Israel.
     
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    Ezekiel 39, has God destroying the invading muslim armies - then the seven years.

    A muslim will claim to be God (which is what the beast will do) - and the muslims will agree and worship him, as well as the rest of the world, them who are not saved? And will rule the world for 42 months?
    And a image of the muslim placed in the temple? Really?

    Do you know that the muslims are against even paintings of people? That's why their ornate work, in their mosques are complex geometric designs.

    Muslims aren't going to worship some man claiming to be God - it is against their religion.
     
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