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But I find Catholics get around the restrictions by simply having their marriages illegitimately annulled. After having 5 kids and over 20 years of marriage my mother divorced my father (who was a staunch Catholic) in the courts. After a while my father starting dating and wanted to marry a woman he found and so went to the Catholic Church to try to nullify his first marriage. He got denied at the first one, but got the OK at a different diocese on the basis that his first wife hadn't taken the marriage vow seriously, and thereby turning his kids (including myself) into illegitimate bastards. And that's one way they get around the Catholic restrictions. If one goes to the courts to divorce, the other can nullify the marriage on the basis that the spouse hadn't taken the vow seriously.
I do not disagree with you. My post was misleading and I do regret it. It is best sometimes not even to bring up those very rare possible exceptions, as such can be misinterpreted. Personally, I cannot imagine myself ever hitting a woman and never have.
you d understand that a lot of these creeps stalk their wives and a piece of paper doesn’t stop them . John Muhammad the DC Sniper killed several strangers to make it seem that a serial killer targeted his wife . She was the one he was really after.I would say that living in separate places and having a restraining order on them but not being divorced until they are reformed would be the appropriate action to take biblically. Jesus did not give us any other reason besides divorce except for unfaithfulness.
You have to look at the words in the Greek. Remember it is not just Koine Greek, but Judeo-Koine Greek. A sub dialect used by the Jewish diaspora. So inappropriate contentia (fornication) means anything that violates Torah sexual mores. That is a lot more than casual sex.Fornication is "casual sex", whereas adultery is unfaithfulness. Two people that are having casual sex are fornicating, but aren't necessarily committing adultery.
If you believe this is what our Lord taught, then you are of the opinion that He sinned greatly by teaching contrary to the Law.There is no provision for divorce in the new covenant. All marriage religious or otherwise is permanent broken only by death.
You are most welcome. I must have been in a haze today to make the post that I did. Again, I take a back seat to no one on this subject, at least no man anyway. I doubt that any man can feel quite the same on this subject as women do.Perhaps. It's such a crucial issue, that one is compelled to clarify the details.
Thank you for your gracious clarification, Basil. And thank you and God bless you for not participating in what is often, "wanton violence".
You are most welcome. I must have been in a haze today to make the post that I did. Again, I take a back seat to no one on this subject, at least no man anyway. I doubt that any man can feel quite the same on this subject as women do.
you d understand that a lot of these creeps stalk their wives and a piece of paper doesn’t stop them . John Muhammad killed several strangers to make it seem that a serial killer targeted his wife.
. Wife beating until death was not only heard of it was allowed, men had absolute control over their wives and female children . Japheth killed his daughter over a stupid vow . Lot offered his daughters to be gang raped and/or murdered . Women’s lives weren’t worth much to these Bronze Age people . I don’t see why this bronze age based misogynistic morality has to be in control of our modern lives .Such a thing was unheardof in ancient Jewish society.
even though the comment was funny, Trump is a narcissist and those are just the kind of men who become wife beaters or worse murderers . They control every aspect of another’s life and they don’t care if what they do hurts another as long as they get their way. He cheated on all of his wives the last, with a inappropriate content star while his wife was pregnant . We’re New Yorkers , we were familiar with trump , he lives here normally. Why do you think we didn’t vote for him?Worst of all, what if you were married to Trump!!!!
To live is Christ and to die is gain.
I once thought that the Catholic annulment process was kind of neat and in theory I still do. However, there seems to be something amiss with the whole thing, as reportedly the number of annulments issued has climbed dramatically in recent decades. Hence, I find it hard to believe that 100% of the annulments granted are really valid.
Justification for divorce is not the same as justification for a remarriage, seeing as marriage lasts for the life of the spouse (Rom 7:2). I view Biblical divorce is no more than a separation. Even God got divorced. "I gave faithless Israel her certificate of divorce and sent her away because of all her adulteries." Is 3:8 Yet a few verses later he still acknowledges himself as her husband. "Return, faithless people," declares the LORD, "for I am your husband. " Jer 3:14
In this day and age there's alimony available and child support without requiring remarriage.So, then, the congregation will meet all that woman's (and her children's) needs in replacement of a husband, right? Because that will maker her children fatherless, and we can't allow the needs of the fatherless to go unmet.
In this day and age there's alimony available and child support without requiring remarriage.
Brother ..No , Jesus ( and His word) in the bible are very clear for Mary was considered married ( betrothed ) to Joseph . Fornication only happens prior to the consummation . Joseph could have put Mary away but would have had no grounds for having her stoned even under Jewish law . The penalty for adultery was death and that is old covenant . A husband can not put away his wife for adultery and marry another ...Only for fornication which happens prior to the consummation . ( The Jews to whom Jesus said this to were under the old covenant . )You are arguing with the words of the Bible and not me.
I would say it certainly is a sin to deliberately physically harm anyone, especially a family member, save in self defense. Having said that, no doubt some might claim that physical discipline does not necessarily = spousal abuse. I suppose that this is the case. However, it certainly borders on it and is no longer considered acceptable for a man to hit his wife, except I guess in the rare circumstance where a wife might be about to harm herself or others.
In this day and age there's alimony available and child support without requiring remarriage.
This is news to me, but I am not too surprised. After all, lest we ever forget, probably tens of thousands of women were put to death during the witch trials in Central Europe, most from 1580-1630. For some reason, the witch craze seems to have escaped the Eastern Orthodox and Oriental Orthodox areas. Sadly, some of the Catholic and Protestant nations will never live done the shame of burning people at the stake for witchcraft, of which Wikipedia says 80% were women.Medieval church canons permitted a husband to hit his wife with a switch no thicker than his thumb. It's still in the Orthodox church canons, though not widely recognized, and it was also in the early American Puritans laws as well.