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Clirus, how can you expect us to win people over to Christ if you don't want anyone showing Christ's love to them?

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DuneSoldier, how can you expect us to win people over to Christ if they don't even know/believe they are a sinner and need a Savior?

I believe the way to win people to Jesus Christ is to hold up a newspaper in the left hand and the Bible in the Right hand.

Shake the newspaper and say "This is the problem".

Shake the Bible and say "This is the solution".

The worst thing about Socialism is that it allows people to avoid looking at their lives and removing the sin/evil that is producing their problems.

I believe a lot of sinners interpret love as acceptance of their sin.
 
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Clirus, how can you expect us to win people over to Christ if you don't want anyone showing Christ's love to them?

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DuneSoldier, how can you expect us to win people over to Christ if they don't even know/believe they are a sinner and need a Savior?

I believe the way to win people to Jesus Christ is to hold up a newspaper in the left hand and the Bible in the Right hand.

Shake the newspaper and say "This is the problem".

Shake the Bible and say "This is the solution".

The worst thing about Socialism is that it allows people to avoid looking at their lives and removing the sin/evil that is producing their problems.

I believe a lot of sinners interpret love as acceptance of their sin.

Wait, socialism? What does this have to do with socialism? Did I miss something or do people just associate everything bad with that word? Don't get me wrong, no one is more against socialism than me, just look at my avatar for goodness' sake. I just don't see what all the means of production being owned by government has to do with anything.
 
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Response by Clirus:
Not one quote from the Old Testament. Do you really know God or do you only look at the New Testament.
Typical Clirus, the New Testament scriptures that I posted prove Clirus wrong so Clirus attacks the New Testament. For added judgment Clirus insinuates that I don’t really know God.




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Liberal Christians also tend to be Pacifists, Socialists and Extreme Environmentalist
WOW! You did a good summary of my statement reprinted below:
“Clirus, your agenda of promoting your political ideas by misrepresenting the Bible is disgusting”

Clirus, sometimes you do a better job of proving my point than I do. The subjects were the Righteousness of God and the Love of God and you go right back to your judgments, change the subject to Liberal Christians, Pacifists, Socialist, and extreme enviornmentalist, then get right into your preaching your political opinions.

Clirus, your use and interpretation of the Bible reminds me of Archie Bunker.
 
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DuneSoldier, how can you expect us to win people over to Christ if they don't even know/believe they are a sinner and need a Savior?

I believe the way to win people to Jesus Christ is to hold up a newspaper in the left hand and the Bible in the Right hand.

Shake the newspaper and say "This is the problem".

Shake the Bible and say "This is the solution".

How is anybody going to believe that they are sinners in need of a savior if the only thing you know how to do is shake literature at them?


I believe a lot of sinners interpret love as acceptance of their sin.

Well, if you think denying love is the answer, then sin is a far lesser evil than what you propose.
 
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Wait, socialism? What does this have to do with socialism? Did I miss something or do people just associate everything bad with that word? Don't get me wrong, no one is more against socialism than me, just look at my avatar for goodness' sake. I just don't see what all the means of production being owned by government has to do with anything.

Mike, Clirus seems to think that socialism is everything that isn't Christian. Clirus probably considers your stance to be socialistic since you wouldn't punish people just for their religious beliefs.
 
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Clirus, how can you expect us to win people over to Christ if you don't want anyone showing Christ's love to them?

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DuneSoldier, how can you expect us to win people over to Christ if they don't even know/believe they are a sinner and need a Savior?

I believe the way to win people to Jesus Christ is to hold up a newspaper in the left hand and the Bible in the Right hand.

Shake the newspaper and say "This is the problem".

Shake the Bible and say "This is the solution".

The worst thing about Socialism is that it allows people to avoid looking at their lives and removing the sin/evil that is producing their problems.

I believe a lot of sinners interpret love as acceptance of their sin.

And why would they be talking to you about that in the first place, unless you show love and kindness?
 
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Mike, Clirus seems to think that socialism is everything that isn't Christian. Clirus probably considers your stance to be socialistic since you wouldn't punish people just for their religious beliefs.

Socialism and Atheism

I believe the most important issue in the world is Socialism and Atheism.

Problems with Socialism

Socialism always requires taking from some and giving to others, which is stealing. The Bible calls for personal charity, but not government Socialism/Stealing.

Socialism allows a person to avoid taking a look at their life and removing those things that can be removed to solve their problem.

Problems with Atheism

Atheists will not follow God's Law nor Civil Law. Atheists will change Civil Law when Civil Law restricts their actions.

Symbiotic relationship of Socialism and Atheism

Socialism and Atheism are a symbiotic relationship because Atheism creates disease, death destruction and poverty and Socialism tries to solve disease, death, destruction and poverty. Atheists cannot survive without Socialism.

Political and Religious aspects of Socialism

Socialism has wide appeal to both the people that receive the health care/welfare and those that advocate Socialism. The Catholic Church and Liberal Protestant Christians support Socialism as a concept of social justice. The Atheistic Liberal News Media supports Socialism and the Democratic Party supports Socialism so there is a symbiotic relationship between the Atheistic Liberal News Media and Democrats.

Conservative Protestant Christians are giving the government to Socialists by the refusal of Conservative Protestant Christians to be involved in politics. Just voting is not being involved in politics.

Disparity of Wealth

Socialist use the disparity of wealth to justify the need for wealth redistribution, but I believe most wealth comes from hard work and self restraint and most poverty comes from a failure to follow the commandments/doctrines of the Bible. There is no justification for Socialism until every person is doing everything possible to avoid the things that lead to poverty such as adultery, homosexuality, alcohol, drugs, etc.

Some say Socialism is needed to help the innocent children of guilty parents. History has shown the that concept does not work. Seeing a better life more often produces anger instead of motivation. Better to deal with the guilty parents than the hopeless concept of making a silk purse from a sows ear.

The Republican Party does not support either Socialism or Atheism. Read the Republican Party Creed and it is obvious.

Some say there is no difference between Republicans and Democrats, but there is definitely a difference on Socialism and Atheism.
 
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Clirus, your use and interpretation of the Bible reminds me of Archie Bunker.

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You know a person has lost the discussion when the only thing left for them is personal attacks on their opponent.
That's all you've ever done with every single one of your threads.
 
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Socialism always requires taking from some and giving to others, which is stealing. The Bible calls for personal charity, but not government Socialism/Stealing.

Socialism allows a person to avoid taking a look at their life and removing those things that can be removed to solve their problem.

Funny thing is, Jesus didn't seem to have a problem with people paying their taxes.

Socialism and Atheism are a symbiotic relationship because Atheism creates disease, death destruction and poverty and Socialism tries to solve disease, death, destruction and poverty. Atheists cannot survive without Socialism.

Then why are do Christians suffer?

Political and Religious aspects of Socialism

Socialism has wide appeal to both the people that receive the health care/welfare and those that advocate Socialism. The Catholic Church and Liberal Protestant Christians support Socialism as a concept of social justice. The Atheistic Liberal News Media supports Socialism and the Democratic Party supports Socialism so there is a symbiotic relationship between the Atheistic Liberal News Media and Democrats.

So there is a link between Atheism, Democrats, Christians and Socialism. At least based on your statement.

Some say Socialism is needed to help the innocent children of guilty parents. History has shown the that concept does not work. Seeing a better life more often produces anger instead of motivation. Better to deal with the guilty parents than the hopeless concept of making a silk purse from a sows ear.

Who's going to take care of the children after the parents are executed like you wish them to be?

The Republican Party does not support either Socialism or Atheism. Read the Republican Party Creed and it is obvious.

Some say there is no difference between Republicans and Democrats, but there is definitely a difference on Socialism and Atheism.

Republicans tax just like the Democrats, they just give your cash to different corporations.
 
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Atheists will not follow God's Law nor Civil Law. Atheists will change Civil Law when Civil Law restricts their actions.

Are you seriously claiming that Atheists don't follow Civil Law?

Socialist use the disparity of wealth to justify the need for wealth redistribution, but I believe most wealth comes from hard work and self restraint and most poverty comes from a failure to follow the commandments/doctrines of the Bible. There is no justification for Socialism until every person is doing everything possible to avoid the things that lead to poverty such as adultery, homosexuality, alcohol, drugs, etc.

Once again, you keep claiming that most poverty is the outcome of sinfulness, and yet you also claim that poverty is not proof of sinfulness. :doh: This is inconsistent. You treat (most) poor people as though they are entirely at fault for their own poverty. And what's worse is that you do this without a single shred of justification, even after I've asked you, on countless occasions, to yield some empirically meaningful evidence to support your assertion. You failed on every one of those occasions.
 
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Who's going to take care of the children after the parents are executed like you wish them to be?

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After Social Security (entitlement program for seniors) is eliminated, there will be a need for children by couples who cannot have children by natural means.

I would rather think they are executed like they need/deserve to be.

If you don't get rid of the rotten apple, the whole barrel goes bad.
 
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Clirus

Have you noticed that you have gotten a LOT of responses to your threads and posts?

Have you noticed that almost every one responding to you disagrees with you?

Do you think every one else is wrong and you are right?

I am well aware of the people that make most of the responses to my threads and posts?

I am willing to be proven wrong, but that will have to be by logic and not insults.
 
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I am well aware of the people that make most of the responses to my threads and posts?

I am willing to be proven wrong, but that will have to be by logic and not insults.

You can't use logic with someone who is so illogical. You ignore everything that proves you wrong.
 
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I am well aware of the people that make most of the responses to my threads and posts?

I am willing to be proven wrong, but that will have to be by logic and not insults.

I don't mean to insult you, and I am sorry if I have. But would you please prove your assertions with evidence? You make a lot of bold statements, make very odd interpretations of passages of the Bible but you haven't provided any examples. Nor do you seem to be willing to provide examples that sin is the source of poverty.

It's even stated in the Old Testament that God allows the wicked to prosper and the righteous to suffer. Indeed this is hammered home in the book of Job. Job was actually used as an example in a Western Civilization class that was showing how Judaism was separate from other religions. Since the Bible deals with "Why do bad things happen to good people?"

The only answer God has ever seen fit to give to that question is, because it does. He also chastises Job's friends for using his condition as proof of sin. Clirus, I ask you, in the philosophy you have constructed how are you different from Job's friends? They very much did the "Show a newspaper in one hand, and Bible in the other" approach, and this did not please God.
 
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