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I believe the Bible is a book of mental and physical health inspired by God that explains the past, present and future. I believe the best version of the Bible is the King James Version.

I believe a person must accept Jesus Christ as Lord/Savior and commit to following the commandments/doctrines of the Bible in order to understand and follow what the Bible says, because some of the Bible must be accepted by faith. Also, when a person accepts Jesus Christ, the Holy Spirit is able to help the person avoid the temptation of the world.

I believe the Bible defines good and evil relative to mental and physical health. I believe the actions relative to good and evil mental and physical items should be as follows.

Item - Action
Good Mental Attitude - Nurture
Evil Mental Attitude - Rebuke
Good Physical Lifestyle - Nurture
Evil Physical Lifestyle - Execute

The Bible should be used to define good and evil and Civil Law should be used to execute those that choose the Evil Physical Lifestyle. The execution/removal of the Evil Physical Lifestyle is a necessity in order to preserve society. The Evil Physical Lifestyle is like a rotten apple (cancer) in a barrel that will spread throughout the barrel if the rotten apple (cancer) is not removed.

The Church should rebuke sin/evil in obedience to God and the State should rebuke/execute evil/sin for health, safety and economic reasons.

The following verse from the Bible is a good example of the Evil Physical Lifestyle (works of the flesh) and he Good Mental Attitude (fruit of the Spirit).

Galatians 5:19-23, "Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkness, revellings, and such like: of which I tell you before, as I have also told you in the time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. --- But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law."

I believe the relation of Civil Law and God's Law should be as stated by Blackstone.

William Blackstone: Of the Nature of Laws in General

William Blackstone's Commentaries on the Laws of England states, "This law of nature, being coeval with mankind and dictated by God himself, is of course superior in obligation to any other-It is binding over all the globe in all countries, and at all times; no human laws are of any validity, if contrary to this: and such of them as are valid derive all their force, and all their authority, mediately or immediately, from this original."

The key point stated by Blackstone is that law was dictated by God himself, it is superior to all other law, and that no laws contrary to the laws dictated by God are valid.

I believe evil in Civil Law should be defined as what the Bible says is evil and physical reality shows leads to disease, death, destruction and poverty. I do not believe in incarceration, except for waiting trial. The Evil Physical Lifestyle should executed after a jury trial on a one to three strikes and you are executed bases.

Atheists want the Constitution to replace the Bible as the highest authority in America, because Atheistic judges can interpret the Constitution is justify the Atheistic Lifestyle through Civil Rights. The problem is all humans and the Constitution are fallible and changeable. The Constitution has been amended many time and things that use to be Constitutional are now unconstitutional. Which was right the old interpretation of the Constitution or the new?

I believe America was established as a Christian Nation, but has been greatly perverted by Atheists who hate God and God's Law. Atheists want America as a Christian Nation destroyed so they can survive and practice their Atheistic Lifestyle. Socialism is a major part of the what Atheists want for America, because the Atheistic Lifestyle leads to disease, death, destruction and poverty, thus the only way for Atheists to survive is by the government stealing from the responsible (Christians) to give to the irresponsible (Atheists).

I believe every Christian must be involved in politics all the way from voting for Christian candidates to running for elected office. When Atheists control the government they will implement the Atheistic Lifestyle, and they have great power to implement the Atheistic Lifestyle because of the propaganda support of the Atheistic Liberal News and Entertainment Industry.

I have often wonder if the Atheistic Liberal News Media was the propaganda wing of the democratic party or the democratic party was the political wing of the Atheistic Liberal News Media.

There is a cultural war in America between Christians and Atheists. This war is being fought on the battlefield of politics. The battles are in the voting booth. The prize in the cultural war is the hearts, minds and souls of the children. The Atheistic liberal news media greatly influences both domestic and foreign policy by constantly reporting only bad news about Christians, Conservatives and Republicans and only good news about atheists, liberals and democrats. The agenda of the Atheistic liberal news media is to promote evolution, extreme environmentalism, socialism, feminism, inappropriate contentography, abortion, adultery, homosexuality and the Atheistic Lifestyle by having democrats in control of government. When Republicans are in office, the Atheistic Liberal News Media is in the Investigative Reporting mode, but when democrats are in office, the Atheistic Liberal News Media is in the Justification Reporting mode.

Republicans have yet to prove to me that they totally support Christian principles, but democrats have proven they do "not" support Christian Principles.
 
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There is a cultural war in America between Christians and Atheists. This war is being fought on the battlefield of politics. The battles are in the voting booth.

This made me chuckle because I just envisioned Richard Dawkins and the Pope duking it out in the cramped space of a voting booth :D. I think the pope would win because he's got a really pointy hat which he can use as a weapon.

The prize in the cultural war is the hearts, minds and souls of the children.

Propaganda as an appeal to "save the children!!"

The Atheistic liberal news media greatly influences both domestic and foreign policy by constantly reporting only bad news about Christians, Conservatives and Republicans and only good news about atheists, liberals and democrats.

Whoa, I just had a revelation that the Christian conservative news media does the same thing to liberals and Democrats. This is blowing my mind...truly.

The agenda of the Atheistic liberal news media is to promote evolution, extreme environmentalism, socialism, feminism, inappropriate contentography, abortion, adultery, homosexuality and the Atheistic Lifestyle by having democrats in control of government.

-Evolution does not refute God.
-Environmentalism is the only way that human civilization will continue to flourish in the next 500 years. If we continue as we have been, nothing will change and eventually we will run out of the limited resources we currently use to run our industry, economy, food supply and culture. You can not deny this. Oil is a limited resource that will eventually be gone, maybe 30 years, maybe 100, maybe 200. But it will eventually get used up. Environmentalism = Foresight.
-Socialism does not refute God and is a matter of opinion as to whether it better supports or hinders Jesus' moral message.
-Feminism? Would you rather suppress women?
-inappropriate contentography is one thing I would like to see made illegal. I'm not sure if I've ever heard a Republican or Democrat ever speak on it.
-Abortion is up for debate as to whether it is murder or not even within Christian circles themselves. It is morally contentious. It is not mentioned explicitly in the Bible. I don't know how it got so linked to the Christian worldview since it isn't Biblically supported. I don't think your views on abortion should logically be tied to your political stance or your faith.
-Adultery as in divorce? Not sure what you mean there because I haven't heard of democrats condoning cheating on your wife. (Bill Clinton anyone? :p(low blow))
-Homosexuals should be free to get "married" in the legal sense. I don't see it as any different than allowing atheists or Hindus to get married in the legal sense. Neither atheists nor Hindus are spiritually married "under God", so, to a Christian, we may see it just as a legal document.
-I'm not sure what you mean by the "Atheistic Lifestyle". They're the same as you and I.
 
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if you think the news doesn't say anything bad about democrats or liberals... you haven't been watching the news lately.

Also why is the King James version of the Bible the best version? Do you mean it's the best English version? Can you please qualify what makes it better than say.. the NIV?
 
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Clirus, there is a abundance of evidence to suggest that the US is a secular nation and that the Founders had pluralistic intentions for the newly established Nation. This undermines the notion of a 'Christian Nation' from the outset. You, on the other hand, obstinately insist, despite all evidence to the contrary, that America was founded as a Christian Nation, and yet you fail, despite repeated requests, to discharge the burden of proof that rests here on your shoulders. Don't repeat ad nauesum (we've heard it all before), show us an argument for this proposition, show us something compelling that might sway our opinions. Your repetition strategy might be enough to convince you, but it will not suffice to persuade others.
 
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I counted the word 'atheist' 23 times in your post. You have assigned everything that you think is evil to a group of people that until the last decade, made up less than 5% of the United States' population.

Atheists that openly state they hate God may be a small percentage in America, but they control most of the Atheistic Liberal News and Entertainment Industry, thus the Atheists have a very large influence in America. Atheists use their influence to support democrats, and the democrats support the Atheists in a symbiotic relationship.
 
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Atheists that openly state they hate God may be a small percentage in America, but they control most of the Atheistic Liberal News and Entertainment Industry, thus the Atheists have a very large influence in America. Atheists use their influence to support democrats, and the democrats support the Atheists in a symbiotic relationship.
Nonsens. Atheists don't hate god. They simply believe he doesn't exist. You can't hate someone who doesn't exist.
I don't hate Voldemort (from Harry Potter). The same way, I don't hate your god.
 
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Furthermore, Atheists can't get elected to any political position of power. Some states have laws actually banning Atheists from even running for office.

Face it, your persecution complex has no rational basis, and atheist influence in America is weak at best and nonexistent at worst.
 
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Republicans have yet to prove to me that they totally support Christian principles, but democrats have proven they do "not" support Christian Principles.

'Tis all a matter of interpretation. In the most simple terms, US Democrat = GB Labour Party, and US Republican = GB Conservative Party.

In Britain (because I can speak on this better than about US politics) each has a 'Christian wing', that shows adherence to the political beliefs of that party (not necessarily the party itself) to be the 'most Christian.' At the end of the day it is down to interpretation as to which, if either is, holds best to 'Christian principles.'

For Christians who are Labour supporters - Christian Socialist Movement
For Christians who are Tory (Conservative) - http://www.ccfwebsite.com/
 
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Clirus, and those like him/her/it, are a far greater threat to my continuing Christianity than an Army of Richard Dawkinses.


IMO, Clirus takes his/her political opinions and tries to manipulate the Bible to give him/her credibility. Clirus may actually believe that he/she is correct. However, I can tell you that Clirus DOES NOT represent the main theme of Christianity which is the love of God, and the sacrifice of God in order to reconcile all mankind back to Him.

Lighthorseman, I think I can understand your statement because Clirus so misrepresents Christianity. However, I would like to suggest that your continuing Christianity NOT be dependant upon Clirus or Richard Dawkins but on your own personal relationship with God through prayer, reading of the scriptures, and all the other ways that you communicate with God.
 
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IMO, Clirus takes his/her political opinions and tries to manipulate the Bible to give him/her credibility. Clirus may actually believe that he/she is correct. However, I can tell you that Clirus DOES NOT represent the main theme of Christianity which is the love of God, and the sacrifice of God in order to reconcile all mankind back to Him.

Lighthorseman, I think I can understand your statement because Clirus so misrepresents Christianity. However, I would like to suggest that your continuing Christianity NOT be dependant upon Clirus or Richard Dawkins but on your own personal relationship with God through prayer, reading of the scriptures, and all the other ways that you communicate with God.

You talk of God's Love, but tell me what you understand about God's Righteousness.

I believe a person must understand both God's Love and God's Righteousness in order to understand God.
 
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You talk of God's Love, but tell me what you understand about God's Righteousness.

I believe a person must understand both God's Love and God's Righteousness in order to understand God.

And I see you claim God's righteousness for yourself while withholding God's love only for those you deem worthy of it. May God show you more grace than you show others.
 
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Originally Posted by sdmsanjose
IMO, Clirus takes his/her political opinions and tries to manipulate the Bible to give him/her credibility. Clirus may actually believe that he/she is correct. However, I can tell you that Clirus DOES NOT represent the main theme of Christianity which is the love of God, and the sacrifice of God in order to reconcile all mankind back to Him.



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You talk of God's Love, but tell me what you understand about God's Righteousness.

I believe a person must understand both God's Love and God's Righteousness in order to understand God.


Clirus what I understand about God’s righteousness is as stated in Roman’s 3:25

Romans 3:25
24Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
25Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

That scripture is telling me that God’s Righteousness was for Christ’s righteousness to be a propitiation for the remission of sins. What prompted this propitiation for the remission of sins was God’s love as declared in John 3:16
John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

God’s righteousness was used to present His LOVE. Clirus, God’s righteousness is awesome but your righteousness does not warrant your judgments of so many other people. I am listing below just a few of your judgments

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If America had Christian leaders, I believe America would not have the present problems of tobacco, alcohol, obesity, etc. because the Bible teaches the body is God's temple.

A sure sign of repentance on a national level would be for no democrat to be elected in 2010 nor 2012.

Most blacks believe in the Village Family Concept while Christians believe in the Christian Family Concept. It is obvious the Village Family Concept is spreading.

Satan would be greatly pleased to see Christians waiting the tables of the poor that Satan had placed at the table.

I believe a person that is providing charity to a known Atheists is serving Satan.


I believe a lot of charity serves Satan more than it serves God

Clirus, you have judged American Christian leaders, all Democrats, most blacks, the poor, and a lot of charity. God’s righteousness is authorized to make judgments but your righteousness is unworthy of judging so many people. Furthermore, I have not read in the Bible where God has judged the American Christian Leaders, all Democrats, most blacks, the poor and charity.


Clirus, when you make statements such as

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Too much emphasis on charity and love allows evil to flourish.

Then you have misrepresented the Bible a stated in 1st Corinthians 13:13 (see below)
1 Corinthians 13:13
But now faith, hope, love, abide these three; but the greatest of these is love.

Clirus, your agenda of promoting your political ideas by misrepresenting the Bible is disgusting. If it were not for the Love of God your insufficient righteousness would keep you out of the kingdom of heaven.

One of the reasons that I am responding to Clirus’s posts are that I worry that someone my think that Clirus represents Christianity and the Bible.
 
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Clirus, your agenda of promoting your political ideas by misrepresenting the Bible is disgusting. If it were not for the Love of God your insufficient righteousness would keep you out of the kingdom of heaven.

One of the reasons that I am responding to Clirus's posts are that I worry that someone my think that Clirus represents Christianity and the Bible.

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Not one quote from the Old Testament. Do you really know God or do you only look at the New Testament.

Too understand God's righteousness you have to consider the Old Testament and bring the Old Testament into the understanding of God the Father, Jesus the Son and the Holy Spirit.

I believe the Bible teaches all things should be dealt with by the following three levels of action;
1) If it is good - accept it and nourish it.
2) If it is evil - rebuke it but tolerate it.
3) If it threatens your existence - destroy it before it destroys you. This is self defense, which both the individual and society have a right and responsibility to do.

The first two are from the New Testament of the Bible and represent the Law of Love. The third is from the Old Testament of the Bible and represents the Law of Purity/Self Defense. The New Testament deals more with personal responsibility and the Old Testament deals more with the preservation of society. The Old Testament and the New Testament together present God's Law, a means of survival for a person, a nation and a world.

A failure to consider the Old Testament leads to what I consider the Liberal Christian.

Liberal Christians

I believe a Christian is a person that has accepted Jesus Christ as Lord/Savior and committed to following the commandments/doctrines of the Bible.

I believe a Liberal Christian is a person that has accepted Jesus Christ as Lord/Savior, but isn't really all that concerned about the commandments/doctrines of the Bible. This is the soft on sin way of thinking.

Liberal Christians also tend to be Pacifists, Socialists and Extreme Environmentalist.

Liberal Christians are Pacifists by being war protestor and death penalty opponents. Pacifists ignore the fact that the Bible calls for the execution of evil people that fail to follow the laws of the land or are the enemy of a nation.

Liberal Christians justify being Socialists because they believe the purpose of Jesus on earth was to help the poor so all people should help the poor through government Socialism. Socialists ignore the fact that the charity of the Bible was personal charity and not government charity.

Liberal Christians justify Extreme Environmentalism even though a lot of the people involved worship nature more than they worship God.

Liberal Christians also tend to vote for Democrats.

I really don't think there is Biblical bases to support Pacifism, Socialism and Extreme Environmentalism.

I can understand why Liberals could vote for Democrats, but I do not see how Christians can vote for people in a political party that supports abortion and homosexuality.

Certainly one of us does not understand Christianity and the Bible.

I believe Atheism has taken hold in America because the church has forgotten righteousness. Just look at what happened to the Catholic church when they allowed homosexuals in the church to call themselves Christians.
 
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Liberal Christians are Pacifists by being war protestor and death penalty opponents. Pacifists ignore the fact that the Bible calls for the execution of evil people that fail to follow the laws of the land or are the enemy of a nation.

Liberal Christians justify being Socialists because they believe the purpose of Jesus on earth was to help the poor so all people should help the poor through government Socialism. Socialists ignore the fact that the charity of the Bible was personal charity and not government charity.

Liberal Christians justify Extreme Environmentalism even though a lot of the people involved worship nature more than they worship God.

Liberal Christians also tend to vote for Democrats.

I really don't think there is Biblical bases to support Pacifism, Socialism and Extreme Environmentalism.

Can you point out where the Bible refutes the State helping the poor, or taking care of the environment? Of course the Bible supports personal giving, but it doesn't forbid Pacifism, Socialism and Environmentalism.

You claim make all these claims stating that this is the work of Atheists, I hate to break it to you but many of the early proponents where Christians.

But Jesus went to the Mount of Olives. 2At dawn he appeared again in the temple courts, where all the people gathered around him, and he sat down to teach them. 3The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group 4and said to Jesus, "Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. 5In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?" 6They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him.

But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. 7When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her." 8Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.

9At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. 10Jesus straightened up and asked her, "Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?"

11"No one, sir," she said.
"Then neither do I condemn you," Jesus declared. "Go now and leave your life of sin."

Christ said "If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her.". I don't recall the woman repenting before he intervened. As a matter of fact he first showed his love before he said "Go now and leave your life of sin."

Clirus, how can you expect us to win people over to Christ if you don't want anyone showing Christ's love to them?
 
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