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The Bible & Science on a Spherical Earth (Flat Earth Refuted)

Discussion in 'Creation & Theistic Evolution' started by Bible Highlighter, Feb 28, 2018.

  1. Netgear

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    Flat earth believers seem very gullible to me. Any bit of flat earth video and they immediately rant how awesome it is. Science was given to us by God.

    Its so funny when these flat earth people make up all this utter nonsense about Nasa and all the other space agencies, astronomers, scientists, governments etc etc. Its so laughable
     
  2. BradB

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    That would be because the TEXT dictates rather or not it is literal or allegorical...not me. I don't pick and choose, the text does. An allegory uses descriptors that are unnatural i.e..."moon turning to blood, stars falling like figs." etc. It will also say something is "like" something else. However when the text is documenting something as factual information that took place the text will look much different. For example in Genesis 1 we are told this happened and "THEN" this happened over in over. That chapter actually uses the word "then" in this way eleven times in just that one chapter. And to be sure we understand that these days are literal it uses features of 24 hour periods that we would equate with literal 24 hour days. It says and the evening and the morning were such and such day over and over. The Jewish day started at sunset. This makes it clear it is intended to be taken literally. And as if that were not enough God went on to make it unmistakably clear in the giving of the Law. In Exodus 20:8-11 we are told the Jews were commanded to rest every 7th day because...in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth and rested on the 7th day. If anyone thought the days of creation were allegorical this notion is completely destroyed by this command.

    Why did the dog chase the rabbit that ran right instead of the one that ran left? Who cares? I did say that in this allegory Isaiah is describing the greatness of God and it makes more sense that he is simply telling us that God is so big that He abides above the curve of the Earth. He doesn't abide in temples on Earth made by human hands. Isaiah was more concerned with conveying the greatness of God than he was the scientific shape of our planet. The point is that the word chuwg can be used to refer to a sphere, which means we don't have to reject the clearly observable evidence of a spherical earth and also invent some sort of world wide conspiracy to try and save the Bible.

    No of course not. Nor do I dispute the definition of grass as being a vegetation consisting of short plants with long green narrow leaves. But I don't believe that people are grass just because the Bible says they are. I don't believe in context the text intends us to take it that way.

    Umm... yes it does under the heading "Gesenius' Hebrew-Chaldee Lexicon."
     
  3. BradB

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    Some things to ponder.

    Does God see the earth from all sides? If so then there are only two positions a flat earth would appear to be a “circle” as described in Isaiah 40. All other positions it would appear as an oval or a straight line. If it were a sphere then it would appear as a circle from all positions.

    Did Jonah spend three days and three nights in the belly of a flat fish? Jesus said as Jonah spent 3 days in the belly of a great fish so He shall spend 3 days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

    How do we have morning, mid-day, and night time all at the same hour on a flat earth as Jesus described at the hour of His return? Really I want to know how this works?

    The Bible teaches us that the earth is suspended by or hangs on nothing. This is obviously compared to the way we see the moon and sun which hang on nothing. The moon is clearly a sphere. Why is a flat earth being compared to spherical objects?
     
  4. Bible Highlighter

    Bible Highlighter Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul. Supporter

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    Let's read the important part of that verse again.

    "...and they were all scattered abroad throughout the regions of Judaea and Samaria, except the apostles." (Acts of the Apostles 8:1).

    Let me ask you some questions concerning this part of the verse.

    Question #1. In what two regions was the church scattered (except the apostles)?

    My answer:

    (a) Judea.
    (b) Samaria.

    Do you agree?

    Question #2. Before Philip went down to the city of Samaria in Acts of the Apostles 8:5, was he in Samaria or Judea?

    My answer:

    No, there is a good possibility Philip could have been in Caesarea (Which is North of Samaria). For Philip went down South from Jerusalem to: (1) Gaza, where he met the Ethiopian Eunuch. Philip was than transported North by the Holy Spirit to: (2) Azotus. Philip then traveled further North to (3) Caesarea (Which just so happens to be North East of Samaria).

    Question #3. Does Acts of the Apostles 8:1 specifically say all of the apostles were in Jerusalem? If so, what words in that sentence give you that indication?

    Here is the entire verse:

    "And Saul was consenting unto his death. And at that time there was a great persecution against the church which was at Jerusalem; and they were all scattered abroad throughout the regions of Judaea and Samaria, except the apostles." (Acts of the Apostles 8:1).

    Question #4. Is it possible to read into the above verse that some of the apostles could have been on a missionary journey elsewhere and not scattered abroad in the regions of Judaea and Samaria?

    My answer is:

    Yes, it is possible. Why? Because if Philip was already on a missionary journey and was not scattered abroad into the regions of Judea and Samaria like the others, there would be no contradiction in Acts of the Apostles 8:1. Verse 1 in Acts 8 does not say that all the apostles had to exclusively be in Jerusalem. If it was saying that, then the text would read like this:

    "And Saul was consenting unto his death. And at that time there was a great persecution against the church which was at Jerusalem; and they were all scattered abroad throughout the regions of Judaea and Samaria, except the apostles [who were all in Jerusalem]." (Acts of the Apostles 8:1).

    Note: I added my added words in blue within brackets to the text above. This is not what the Word of God says. But it is what it should say if what you are saying is 100% true. Is it possible that all of the apostles were in Jerusalem? Yes. But I am doubtful of that fact because it makes sense that Philip went down to Samaria from Caesarea.

    I am saying it is a possibility that Philip may have been in Caesarea when the text says he went down to Samaria. I am not claiming it as 100% fact. I am saying it is a possibility. But regardless, that does not change what is said in Acts of the Apostles 8:26. If God's Word says go down South, that means what it says. South is the direction of going down. I know you don't want to admit that truth, but it is true none the less.

    They are not lying because you can confirm the Earth is round yourself by easy and simple methods scientifically. You can see ships and buildings drop below the horizon, which is not possible on a flat Earth. You can see a circular shadow of a round Earth upon an eclipse. You can send a camera up into space at night time and see stars in the distance of space and no flat Earth sun is visible in sight like a flash light or spot light (because it is on the other side of a spherical Earth).

    Well, actually the Earth was created in 6 literal 24 hour days and not 7. God rested on the 7th death. So it would technically be a 6 day creation account.

    Oh, and no. I do not believe in Macro-Evolution that one species can form into another species.

    I can say the same for what you believe. To me, the evidence is overwhelmingly in favor of a round Earth. To suggest otherwise is to ignore reality that is obvious in my opinion.

    You cannot see the obvious curvature of the Earth until you escape orbit. The Earth is too big to see the obvious curvature of the Earth from a hot air balloon. Think of it like a microscopic water bear on top of a hot air balloon.

    Check out this video from YouTube that has been cropped here.

    I am not denying we have undersea cables that go between the continents. I am just saying that they are not going out to every point in the ocean like to remote islands and stuff to give you signals like a satellite phone will. These underground water cables also do not send out remote signals to give you reception on your phone if you are on a remote island. You cannot get a signal on a satellite phone if it was ocean based if you were stranded far out on some far off point in the deep ocean.

    You are just re-quoting mindlessly what you have heard or read from Flat Earthers that has no basis in scientific fact or the real world. This is entirely made up. GPS is satellite based.

    For example: If you go under a bridge, you will lose signal.

    Then there are Dish Networks, and DirectTV satellites in a Geosynchronous orbit. The distance matches the orbit so it is stationary. Funny how if a Dish Network dish moves by 1cm it can lose signal. But Flat Earth theorists don't have an answer for that one.

    Why does navigation systems factor in the curvature of the Earth for pilots and captains at sea? Longitude and latitude is based on the curvature of the Earth.

    So you are telling me that you can watch a ship never diseappear below the horizon with a high powered telescope? When did you observe this?

    What do you think the sun does every day?
    It disappears below the horizon or the curvature of the Earth.

    Thank you, but I am not interested in watching videos on theories that I know are clearly and observably false.

    May God bless you today.
     
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  5. Bible Highlighter

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    But the deception is that people think they can know a dead language and that God's Word has not been preserved perfectly in the world language of today (Thereby giving people an excuse to re-write God's Word as they please). Let me ask you: Did you repent hearing the Biblical Greek? Do you read the Bible in Biblical Greek only? Even if you did, what makes you assume that the scholars got it right? Did not Jesus say for us to beware of the Scribes? The scribes are those who Tran-Scribe the Law or the Scriptures. That would be the scholars that most implicitly trust without question. Besides, places like BlueLetterBible that has a Strong's Application will give you a wide variety of defintions off of just one word in the Hebrew or Greek.

    No. Video footage confirms people going there all the time.
    You can even book your next vacation there.
    Yes, it is expensive, but I am sure they might have a payment plan.
    You really should book that trip.

    To what ends? To show that the Earth is flat? What would that prove? I can see maybe one government being in on the deception but when the whole world is in on it? That is pretty silly. Again, you can go there yourself and there is no websites saying you cannot go there (But Flat Earther websites pushing that false idea). You can go there. Book your next vacation there.

    I know the vacation cruises are not lying because of other observable evidences that the Earth is round wtih my own two eyes and by using logic. But you can book it and go there. Has any Flat Earther went to Antarctica? There are a lot of you, so you should be able to pool up your money together to have one of you go so as to prove it is a place that you can visit.

    No it is not. Only certain areas of Antarctica are off limits unless you are a Scientist. You can become a Scientist and apply to work there then gain access if you like.

    It is amazing that you actually believe this?
    Do you really believe this?
    Do you work for the Psych Ops part of the military?

    We accept many things by faith. We cannot say that Koalas don't exist until we see them in real life. If we see video footage of Koalas, it is a good chance they are real and not fake. Do some Flat Earthers think Koalas are fake because they have never seen them?

    The sun on a flat Earth would light up the whole thing. But you want it to be like a flash light or spot light. But this does not work because weather balloons with cameras that have gone far above the clouds in low Earth orbit at night time have confirmed no spot light sun in Earth's low orbit shining down upon the Earth like a flash liight. Why? Because the sun is on the other side of a spherical Earth.
     
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  6. 4x4toy

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    At sunset and sunrise , where does the sun first appear and disappear, both with a first and last instant ..

    It mentions the circle of the Earth and in another place that your sins cast as far as the East is from the West. You can walk or travel East on Earth forever but you can only travel North so far before you're headed South again. Are you saying we can't plot a straight line, Deuteronomy 28:14 This says globe to me ..
     
  7. Oldmantook

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    Indeed the text determines the meaning BUT YOU determine whether it is literal or allegorical based on YOUR INTERPRETATION of its context. Why do you think have literal creationists and evolutionary creationist? It's because their interpretation determines whether they view a passage as literal or allegorical. Your explanation falls short.

    Your logic is fallacious otherwise known as a dichotomous argument. You personally choose to interpret the verse in Isaiah as being solely descriptive of God only - while ignoring the possibility that it could also be descriptive of the earth's actual shape. Isaiah could very will be describing both descriptors - not just one. Poor logic.

    When the plain meaning of the text makes sense, seek no other sense. You have chosen to do otherwise which is of course your prerogative.

    So based on just one translation, you stake your claim?? Again, I ask you. If the earth is shaped like a ball, then why didn't Isaiah use the same word (dur) that he used in Isa 22:18?
     
  8. Bible Highlighter

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    Dear Oldmantook:

    While I may think you are waaaay out there with believing in a Flat Earth, I still love you.
    So I wanted to wish you a....

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    With loving kindness to you in Christ,

    Sincerely,

    ~ Jason.
     
  9. Bible Highlighter

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    Anyways, getting back down to business.



    Key passage of study from the video:

    19 "And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.
    20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.
    21 And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:
    22 All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died"
    (Genesis 7:19-22).

    The Flat Earth model does not work because the waters in the a world wide flood would pour off the ends of the Earth. On top of that, the waters were supposed to be 22 feet and 6 inches higher than the tallest mountains.
     
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    Here is another great video I discovered:

     
  11. Bible Highlighter

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    Here is another video I found. I highly recommend watching Pastor Wagner's speech on how Flat Earthers take the Bible out of context to prove a flat Earth:



    This video by far is my favorite.

    Note: It is a long video, but it is worth watching.

    Glory be to Jesus;
    And may you blessed by the Lord today.

    Important Note:

    While Pastor Wagner makes great points for destroying a Flat Earther's interpretation on the Bible, I do not believe in this Pastor's belief on Eternal Security. Eternal Security is clearly false according to the Bible. Just click on the spoiler button to check out the verses (if you are interested).

    Long List of Verses Refuting Eternal Security or OSAS (Once Saved Always Saved):

    • Matthew 7:21-23 - Jesus only “knows” those who do Father God’s will; all others are practicing lawlessness.
    • Matthew 10:33 - Whoever denies Jesus before men He will also deny before His Father in heaven.
    • Matthew 12:31-32 - Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven. This means verbally cursing or speaking bad about the Holy Spirit.
    • Matthew 13:18-23 - 2 people types (no root, unfruitful) come to eternal life, and then return to the lost state.
    • Matthew 25:44-46 - Those who do not help even one needy soul will go into everlasting punishment.
    • Mark 8:35-36 - Whoever desires to save his (old) life, or gain the whole world, will lose his soul.
    • Mark 9:43-48 - Get rid of whatever causes you to sin; it will cause you to be cast into hell fire.
    • Luke 9:23-25 - Whoever does not deny himself for Jesus’ sake will be destroyed (eternal death).
    • Luke 14:26-33 - Jesus warns prospective believers how difficult and costly it is to be His disciple… will they have enough to finish this life of placing Him above all else, bearing their crosses, etc.?
    • Luke 18:9-14 - Jesus taught that the man who was more justified was the one who humbled himself and cried out to God for mercy before God vs. the man who did not do so.
    • John 3:19, 20 - An important point about "The Condemnation" is that those who loved darkness hate the Light because they loved the pleasure of their own evil deeds, unless of course their deeds should be reproved (that is).
    • John 12:25 - He who loves his life in this world will lose it (eternal life) later.
    • John 15:1-6 - Christians who do not bear fruit (are not abiding in Jesus) are thrown into the fire.
    • John 17:3 - Eternal life is actually “knowing” Father God and Jesus Christ. Do you really know them?
    • Romans 1:29-32 - Anyone practicing such sins is deserving of death due to God’s wrath on unrighteousness.
    • Romans 2:5-11 - Wrath is coming to those who are unrighteously self-seeking and do not obey the truth.
    • Rom 6:15-23 - Be a slave of God and to righteousness for holiness, resulting in holiness and eternal life.
    • Romans 8:1-8 - Anyone who is carnally-minded (is living according to the flesh) will die spiritually.
    • Romans 8:12-13 - We are not debtors to the flesh; if we live according to the flesh, we will die.
    • Romans 11:20-22 - Fear unbelief, that if you do not continue to have faith, you will be cut off like the OT Jews.
    • 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 - Anyone practicing such sins is unrighteous, and will not inherit the kingdom of God.
    • 1 Corinthians 15:2 - You are saved, if you hold fast to that word (the gospel) … unless you believed in vain.
    • 2 Corinthians 7:10 - Godly sorrow over sin leads Christians to repent, which leads to salvation.
    • 2 Corinthians 13:5 - Examine and test yourself to see if you are in the faith, unless you are disqualified.
    • Galatians 5:1-4 - Christians are warned: those who later have attempted to be justified by law, … have been estranged from Christ and have fallen from grace.
    • Galatians 5:19-21 - Anyone practicing such sins (the works of the flesh) will not inherit the kingdom of God.
    • Galatians 5:24 - Those who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.
    • Galatians 6:7-8 - Don't be deceived: sowing to the flesh reaps corruption, sowing to the Spirit reaps eternal life.
    • Ephesians 5:3-6 - Believers practicing such sins will not inherit God’s kingdom, but will incur the wrath of God.
    • Ephesians 5:25-27 - Jesus gave Himself for a glorious Church which will be sanctified, holy, without blemish.
    • Philippians 2:12-16 - Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling, holding fast the word of life …
      … so that: (1) you may become blameless, and (2) Paul did not labor in vain concerning you.
    • Philippians 3:7-14 - Paul presses on to attaining the goal of gaining Christ, knowing Him, and being found in Him.
    • Colossians 1:21-29 - Jesus’ desires (and Paul labors to warn and teach) to present “holy and blameless” and “perfect in Christ Jesus” those who continue in faith, not moved away from the hope of the gospel.
    • Colossians 3:5-6 - Believers practicing such sins beware: the wrath of God will come upon sons of disobedience.
    • 1 Timothy 4:1 - Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith.
    • 1 Timothy 5:11-15 - Some younger widows are condemned; they cast off their first faith and turned after Satan.
    • 1 Timothy 6:3-4 - Paul says that if any man teaches contrary to the words of Jesus and the doctrine of Christ is proud knowing nothing.
    • 1 Timothy 6:9-14 - Greed and love of money drowns men in destruction and perdition; Instead, pursue godliness and lay hold on eternal life (and keep this command without blame).
    • 1 Timothy 6:17-19 - Commands for the rich (yes, Christians) to follow, so they may lay hold on eternal life.
    • Titus 1:1-3 - Faith and knowledge of the truth lead to godliness, in the hope of eternal life.
    • Hebrews 2:1-4 - Warning about drifting away: how shall we escape, if we drift and neglect so great a salvation?
    • Hebrews 3:6 - We belong to Christ, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm to the end.
    • Hebrews 3:12-15 - Beware of an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God, being hardened through the deceitfulness of sin, for we are only partakers of Christ if we hold steadfast to the end.
    • Hebrews 3:17-19 - The OT Jews who sinned (did not obey) could not enter into God’s rest (the Promised Land).
    • Hebrews 4:1 - Let us fear lest any of us come short of entering God’s rest (God’s promise of salvation).
    • Hebrews 4:11 - Be diligent to enter into that rest, lest anyone fall according to the OT example of disobedience.
    • Hebrews 6:4-8 - Those enlightened and partakers of the Holy Spirit who fall away will be rejected and burned.
    • Hebrews 10:26-27 - If we sin willfully after receiving knowledge of the truth, expect God’s fiery judgment.
    • Hebrews 10:29-31 - The Lord will judge His people. “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay”, says the Lord.
    • Hebrews 10:35-39 - Endure in the faith, and do not be like those who draw back to perdition.
    • Hebrews 12:14-15 - Pursue holiness (w/o which no one will see the Lord) lest anyone falls short of God’s grace.
    • Hebrews 12:15-17 - Many believers become defiled, and finding no place for repentance, are rejected.
    • James 1:12-16 - Love the Lord, endure temptation to sin; do not be deceived, sin results in spiritual death.
    • 1 Peter 1:8-9 - Believing, you will receive the end of your (enduring) faith—the salvation of your souls.
    • 2 Peter 1:10-11 - Be diligent to make your call & election sure, so you won’t stumble, but gain the kingdom.
    • 2 Peter 2:1, 14 - The false prophets (i.e. believers) are those who have eyes full of adultery and cannot cease from sin.
    • 2 Peter 2:20-22 - If Christians are overcome by worldly sins, they are worse off than they were before knowing the way of righteousness, they turned from the holy commandment delivered to them.
    • 1 John 1:9 - If we confess our sins, God will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
    • 1 John 2:3-5 - We are sure that we “know” God and are “in” Him, if we keep His commandments.
    • 1 John 2:24-25 - If God’s word does not abide in us, the Father and the Son will not abide in us, nor we in Them, and we will not receive the promised eternal life.
    • 1 John 3:15 - If you hate your brother, you’re like a murderer who has no eternal life abiding in him.
    • Jude 1:4 NIV - There are those false believers who turn the grace of our God into a license for immorality
    • Jude 1:20-21 - 3 things for Christians to do, while looking for God’s mercy unto eternal life.
    • Revelation 2:11 - He who overcomes shall not be hurt by the second death (eternal death).
    • Revelation 3:5 - He who overcomes will not have his name blotted out from the Book of Life.
    • Revelation 14:9-11 - Those that worship the Beast and take his mark drink of the wine of the Wrath of God and will be thrown in the Lake of Fire.
    • Revelation 21:8 - Anyone practicing such sins will go into the lake of fire, which is the second death.
    • Revelation 21:27 - Anyone practicing such sins is not in the Book of Life, and will not enter the New Jerusalem.
    • Revelation 22:14 - Anyone who does not do God’s commandments does not have the right to the tree of life.
    • Revelation 22:15 - Anyone practicing such sins will be outside the gates of the New Jerusalem.
    • Revelation 22:18 - If any man takes away from the prophecy of the book (i.e. the Scriptures), God will take away their name out of the Book of Life.
    Source:
    Your handy-dandy long list of verses against OSAS

    He also appears to believe in some form of Calvinism (Which is also not true).
    In any event, I still recommend watching the video if you want to use the Bible to refute a Christian Flat Earther.
     
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  12. BradB

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    So do you think that because there are some who deny the scriptures teach the Trinity doctrine and there are those who say it does, that the doctrine is wrong? That's a silly argument. Obviously either the text does or does not teach it and it has nothing to do with anyone's interpretation. What it does have to do with is a correct interpretation and an incorrect one. Those who claim that the Bible agrees with evolution are the one's who are picking and choosing what is an allegory. There's nothing in Genesis chapter one that would lead us to logically conclude it was just an allegory. Nor is there anything anywhere else that would lead us to think that was how it was intended to be taken. In fact Jesus Himself referred to the creation account as though it were literal. No one in scripture ever refers to "people are grass" as if it were literal and no one in scripture refers to "God sits above the circle" as if it were literal.


    No I don't think it is "descriptive of God only." In fact it does little to describe any physical attributes of God. The passage is describing one of His attributes only, His awesome greatness. It is actually meant to comfort the people of God who were troubled from all sides. In verses 1-9 God tells them He will make their paths straight and end warfare against them. Those people are like grass to Him. They are nothing At the end of verse 9 Isaiah says "Behold your God!" What is it about God he wants them to see? Verse 10 how strong He is and verse 11 how nurturing He is. Verse 12 He's so mighty He measures out the waters and land masses. Verses 13 & 14 no one is His teacher or guide. Those other nations against you are like a drop in the bucket or grains of dust to Him. (vs 15-17) They are nothing to Him. Their gods are a joke to Him 18-20. God is so great that the heavens are like His tent, the people of earth are mere grasshoppers to Him, He abides over them all above the curvature of the earth. (vs 22) His greatness puts the combined princes and judges of the earth to shame. (vs23) From verse 9 clear to the end God wants His people to have a clear picture of just how great their God is who goes before them. None of it is meant to describe physical attributes but to through picture form paint a picture in our heart and mind of just how magnificent our God really is who goes before us.

    I think you are acting like a pickpocket artist who nabs the wallet and then sees the cop walking toward him through the crowd so he quickly drops it in the closest person's pocket and raises his hand and shouts thief pointing to the poor unsuspecting slob who now has someone else's wallet in his pocket. Your statement that "if plain meaning makes sense, seek no other sense" actually is very telling. I would ask "makes sense to who?" You, me, Billy Graham, David Koresh? See... that kind of thinking does exactly what your next sentence accuses me of doing. It leaves interpretation of the passage up to the one who thinks it makes sense to "them." I would never be so arrogant as to say such a thing. I know I am faulty and can easily misunderstand what something means. Jesus said if your eye causes you to sin "pluck it out." I heard about someone who literally did that because it "made sense" to them that Jesus wanted us to actually pluck our eyes out if we keep looking at sinful things. However the context of the passage is how serious hell is. And so the text is what tells us what Jesus was saying there. Jesus is making the point to sinners that hell is no laughing matter. Yes it's that serious. Thank God He took care of the sin problem for me.

    Point is we don't decide if it makes sense to us, we let the text interpret itself for us. Cuz we can get it wrong.
     
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  13. BradB

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    The actual Hebrew word is duwr and it is found 3 times in the Old Testament. Only one time does it get translated "ball." (Is. 22:18) The word doesn't just mean ball. It also is used to lay siege around someone as in Is. 29:3, and as a burning pile as in Eze. 24:5. Isaiah uses the word chuwg rather than duwr in chapter 40 because it has little if anything to do with the shape, but more to do with as I said...curvature. Duwr didn't fit as well where chuwg did, that's all.
     
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    Ya, I've seen a lunar eclipse....Did you know that these can happen with the sun totally visible...

    Now, the spin doctors will tell you that it is an illusion of refraction. Just like the picture of Chicago was a mirage...

    Give me a break. The sun cannot be visible while the moon is covered in the earths shadow.

    Also, the moons shadow, on the earth, during a solar eclipse should be bigger than the moon itself. Unless you can show me, in any other case, where a light, behind an object, creates a shadow that is smaller than the object itself.

    Not to mention that it should move from east to west, not west to east....

    But, all the sheeple will settle for the explanation of academia... just because it satisfies their need to keep their neat little world just as it has been since they were in kindergarten. You would not want to bring facts and logic into this nice little broken package that we are fed.

    People.... wake up. The world may not be flat.... but something is wrong with the garbage that they have been feeding us about the world and universe that we live in.

    Think, think, think... for yourselves and don't let them keep giving you wooden nickles and using two headed coins....We are being lied to.
     
  16. JacksBratt

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    One other thing... the moon has light that is opposite to what you would expect.
    The sun gives light that warms.
    The moon gives light that cools..
    The sun gives light that can dry meat and kill bacteria.
    The moon gives light that causes food to rot..
    The sun causes fire to burn less vigorously..
    The moon gives light that causes fire to burn more vigorously.

    Is it possible that the moon is its own source of light? This would explain why the phases of the moon do not make sense with the alignment of the sun.
     
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    Please do not tell me you believe the moon gives off it's own light independent from the sun. Some Flat Earthers believe this kind of un-Science.
     
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    Please check out my other new thread that has a better compiled list of Biblical and Scientific evidences in refuting a Flat Earth.

    A New Biblical & Scientific Refutation of a Flat Earth!

    Side Note:

    You said the "world may not be flat." So what do you believe the Earth is then? A square? Please take note that some people do believe that kind of un-Science.
     
  20. JacksBratt

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    You quoted two of my posts as funny. Do you also laugh when someone says that water is wet?

    If you don't believe what I have posted to be true... so be it. However there have been lunar eclipses when the sun is in full view.. and ... any shadow of any object must be larger than the object itself.. it's a simple fact.

    Also... the qualities of the moon light that I have posted here are true..... Although they have never been taught or presented in modern schools due to the fact that they raise a lot of questions that modern science can't and don't want to attempt to answer.

    So, just remember.... those that don't investigate a fact before they condemn it are fools

    Also... he who laughs last... well you get the picture.
     
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