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Featured The Bible only, other questions

Discussion in 'General Theology' started by Tutorman, May 12, 2019.

  1. Tutorman

    Tutorman Charismatic Episcopalian

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    Who said we need the Bible alone? Where in the Bible does it say "invite Jesus into your heart"? Where does it say to obsess about the end times? Where does it say that each person should look at the Bible an figure out things for themselves?
     
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  2. myst33

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    "Now these were more noble-minded than those in Thessalonica, for they received the word with great eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see whether these things were so."
    Acts 17:11

    "and that from childhood you have known the sacred writings which are able to give you the wisdom that leads to salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus"
    2 Tm 3:15

    "But Jesus answered and said to them, "You are mistaken, not understanding the Scriptures nor the power of God."
    Mt 22:29
     
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  3. Tutorman

    Tutorman Charismatic Episcopalian

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    None of those say to use the Bible alone.
     
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  4. myst33

    myst33 Well-Known Member

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    The question of yours I responded to was:
     
  5. Tutorman

    Tutorman Charismatic Episcopalian

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    Yet those verses don't say that either
     
  6. myst33

    myst33 Well-Known Member

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    I think they do. Such verses do not make sense without reading/studying Scriptures personally.
     
  7. Albion

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    There really are two questions that have to be answered in order for anyone to understand that one.

    Assuming that we all consider the Bible to be divine revelation (every major church does)…

    1. What is more credible than God's own word or even equal to it?

    2. How would we know what that other authority is, without consulting the Bible?
     
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  8. TuxAme

    TuxAme Quis ut Deus? Supporter

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    1. The Church is at least an equal authority to Scripture because the Scriptures come from the Church, not the other way around. Remember Christ's words to Peter. He founded a Church, not a Bible.

    2. Again, the apostles predate their writings, and Israel existed before anything was written.
     
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  9. Loyce KG

    Loyce KG Everyone MUST hear the gospel of Christ!

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    What else do we need to use?
     
  10. GodsGrace101

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    1. We cannot learn everything by using only the bible.
    But we do learn how to be saved by it.

    2. Jesus never spoke about being "born again" as we understand it today.

    3. Paul specifically wrote to the Thessalonians NOT to worry about the end times and to go on with their daily life.

    4. The bible, if one wants to really understand it, needs to be studied with a teacher.
     
  11. myst33

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    But it certainly does not follow that Israel's traditions, opinions or teachings are "at least equal" to Scriptures.

    Similarly it applies also to church' traditions vs Scriptures.
     
  12. TuxAme

    TuxAme Quis ut Deus? Supporter

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    "Traditions" such as Sola Scriptura?
     
  13. frogoon234

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    Belief in Jesus Christs sacrifice on the cross is very biblical. everything else is for the edification and improvement of our lives and other lives over the relative short term. Once saved always saved from eternal suffering. Abraham was saved, Lot was saved but some of Lot's family was not saved.
     
  14. myst33

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    Any tradition should be submitted to examination according to Scriptures, reason and conscience.

    The fact that OT came from Israel and NT from church does not imply that extrabiblical teachings from Israel or Church are "at least equal" to it. Quite the opposite. Scriptures came forward as something special. As something by which we measure other teachings.
     
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  15. Albion

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    First, I don't believe that Christ did say those words to Peter. Not according to the Bible, anyway. Second, the existence of a church does not in any way mean that it can do whatever it wants. But I also notice that you did not answer the question.

    So....? Again, the question seems to have been sidestepped. How come?
     
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  16. Albion

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    It looks like we must again make sure, before moving forward, that we all know what Tradition AKA Holy Tradition AKA Sacred Tradition--the alternative to Scripture that some churches follow--actually MEANS!

    The theory in question does not deal with mere legends, opinions, folklore, or customs. The theory is that there has been a continuous body of belief in the church since the beginning that by its universality and consistency shows itself to be a second revelation from God, like the Bible. None of that has any fact behind it; its all theory.

    The theory Is not mentioned or described or recommended in Scripture. And the doctrines that have been created by the institutional church(es), allegedly in accordance with Holy Tradition (as described above) do not meet the tests of universality or consistency anyway.

    They have simply been simply decreed as a result of the church leadership choosing to dogmatize some idea, opinion, or other that it took a liking to. The doctrine thereafter is SAID TO have been the faith of the church from the beginning forward.
     
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  17. HTacianas

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    Matthew 22:29 is probably the best argument against sola scriptura.
     
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  18. Kenny'sID

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    What else would you suggest we need?

    Those exact words? Not that I know of...so? Do you really believe just because those exact words, in that exact order, aren't in the bible, that the comment is any less true?

    And are you saying we don't need to invite Jesus into our heart?

    Nowhere, that I know of. Do you obsess about that?

    Why, would you rather someone else did it for you? If so, are you just plain lazy or do you not think yourself capable?
     
  19. Albion

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    How so?
     
  20. frogoon234

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    i would agree with this but i must say that we should all accept Jesus Christ sacrifice on the cross and to some extent turn the other cheek when confronted with conflict. The latter is so to help others come to Christ. Abraham was saved. Lot was saved but not all of Abraham's family was saved. Suffering is suffering.
     
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