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Featured The bible is not pratical

Discussion in 'Christian Philosophy & Ethics' started by TRVL ONE, May 17, 2019.

  1. Alithis

    Alithis Disciple of Jesus .

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    ? The world does not follow know or serve God.
    We are to abide by the law of the land peaceably. in so much as it does not call upon us to violate the word of God.
     
  2. Jude1:3Contendforthefaith

    Jude1:3Contendforthefaith I'm Currently An Eastern Orthodox Catechumen Supporter

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    The Roman soldiers were just "Serving Their Country" and "Following Orders" and "Just Doing Their Job" right ?

    Imagine them trying to defend their actions in the name of Nationalism standing in front of God on judgement day:




     
  3. Jude1:3Contendforthefaith

    Jude1:3Contendforthefaith I'm Currently An Eastern Orthodox Catechumen Supporter

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    I was "Serving My Country"
    I was "Just Doing My Job"
    I was "Just Following Orders"
    Etc.








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  4. TRVL ONE

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    I don't recommend it, but I gave you an example in the OT. Now, the argument comes, is the OT no longer valid for anything? What do we follow from the OT still?

    Do you not read the OT? Is it no longer useful for anything?
     
  5. Jude1:3Contendforthefaith

    Jude1:3Contendforthefaith I'm Currently An Eastern Orthodox Catechumen Supporter

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    I'm still waiting for you to show me in The New Testament where God says to lie.

    People using the Old Testament for Polygamy and other stuff isn't going to cut it on Judgement Day.
     
  6. Tree of Life

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    That would be an appropriate thing to refuse. But working under cover, generally speaking, may not be a sinful thing.
     
  7. TRVL ONE

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    It might not be sinful all the time, it is not like the government is going to reveal to the world all they do.
     
  8. TRVL ONE

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    There might not be any place in the NT that promotes lying. It sounds like you don't believe the Old Testament is useful anymore?

    2 Timothy 3:16
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    All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,

    New Living Translation
    All Scripture is inspired by God and is useful to teach us what is true and to make us realize what is wrong in our lives. It corrects us when we are wrong and teaches us to do what is right.
     
  9. Jude1:3Contendforthefaith

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    This is my answer :

    But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, AND ALL LIARS shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone,....
    Revelation 21:8


    This includes Priests and Pastors that secretly work for intelligence agencies, have ulterior motives for ministry, hidden agendas or a secret allegiance to other organizations like political parties, illuminati, freemasonry, The Rosicrucians, Communism, fraternities and sororities Etc.

    Masonic Fraternity - Questions & Answers

    Freemasonry: Official Statement of the Church of Greece (1933)

    Freemasonry in American Orthodox history - Orthodox History



    This happened a lot with in the clergy during Communism:




     
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  10. topher694

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    Aaaaaaand, they should all repent and be saved and embrace the love of our savior, Jesus. Who loves them. And died for them. And rose for them.

    (you're welcome... again)
     
  11. Jude1:3Contendforthefaith

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    "Some" of them have already crossed the line of no return and don't even have the ability to repent and be saved or even the desire to be saved.


    but he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit Never Has Forgiveness, but is subject to eternal condemnation"--
    Mark 3:29
     
  12. topher694

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    Cool, so let's rub some salt in their wounds, bash them and condemn them. That'll be fun! It won't change anything, but it will probably make us feel better about ourselves. Great idea!
     
  13. Andrew77

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    I think I'm in the camp that officers should not be doing undercover police work.

    Pay a guy off to testify. Use the witness protection program. Hire one of the users to take a camera in. Tap the phones. Get a search warrant.

    There are so many dozens of ways to catch criminals, and deal with criminal gangs and mafia stuff. Yes, going undercover is one of them... but it's only one of them. I'd rather we not have professional liars, paid for by the public, who go around deceiving everyone.

    That said, I think some of the Christians here, have correctly pointed out that there are times where people lied in the Bible, and it was ok while confronting evil.

    While I don't deny their point, I'm not a big fan of that argument.

    However, I will say that we could solve a ton of this, if we simply had a more effective enforcement of the law, and more clear penalties for violating the law. If we put every single drug trafficking idiot, in the electric chair, and fried them.... we would not have drug cartels to put undercover cops in. It's that simple. If we enforced the law, with the level of punishment needed, the crime would stop.
     
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  14. StephenDiscipleofYHWH

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    Police and Law enforcement serve the Governments of the world and not God. There will always be wicked men paid by the Governments(and swearing allegiance to them) of this world to catch other wicked men.

    Every man who transgresses the Law of Christ is judged and punished accordingly by the Lord, not one man escaped his wrath and his judgment. God has a 100% success rate in catching criminals and punishing them. If someone harms a child of God the Lord avenges us in ways that we would never have been able to do, and his judgment is never greater than the crime committed. His judgment is always just.

    So if we follow the Lord every criminal will be caught and punished, everyone who harms us will be recompensed by the Lord.
     
  15. Kenny'sID

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    In war, killing is not murder, so it makes perfect sense to me, the war on crime would be similar in that exceptions to rules are allowed.
     
  16. trulytheone

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    Lying and killing are always sinful acts. Although circumstances and mental capacity may mitigate their gravity.
     
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    Killing and lying are always sins. But circumstances may mitigate their gravity.
     
  18. TRVL ONE

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    Jude 1:22-23.
    Be merciful to those who doubt; save others by snatching them from the fire; to others show mercy, mixed with fear--hating even the clothing stained by corrupted flesh.

    I believe some people take a different approach. Try kindness first and if that doesn't work get tough on them. Jesus wasn't always nice to people.

    Matthew 23:33
    "You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?
     
  19. Loversofjesus_2018

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    This outlook can be problematic
     
  20. StephenDiscipleofYHWH

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    No allowance is made for harming another man. Nowhere in the NT under grace do we find an occasion for killing. We only find that we are to lay down our own lives for our brethren to be killed all the day long as sheep to the slaughter loving not our lives unto death. Love worketh no ill to his neighbor and to harm ones neighbor shows that you hate him. Thus breaking the command of God.

    There is no exception or occasion given for lying or killing. So every servant of the world governments who does these things is damned, even if they think they are doing good.
     
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