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Featured The beasts in Revelation

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by Douggg, Jun 28, 2020.

  1. Douggg

    Douggg anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist

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    1. The first beast in Revelation 13:1 represents both a kingdom and a man, who is king of that kingdom.

    2. The second beast in Revelation 13:11 represents the false prophet, a man, who is not a king.

    3. The scarlet colored beast in Revelation 17:3 represents Satan.

    4. The beast in Revelation 17:8a represents the original serpent in the Garden of Eden, now in the bottomless pit as a disembodied spirit.

    5. The beast in Revelation 17:8b represents the end times person, the man in Revelation 13:1, who the world will witness being killed and come back to life.

    6. The beast in Revelation 17:11 represents a man who will become the 8th king, of the Daniel 7 fourth kingdom. He is the beast of Revelation 13:1, the man, who is king of the Revelation 13:1 kingdom.


    The beast of Revelation 17:11 = 8th king of the Daniel 7 fourth kingdom = the man in Revelation 13:1 who is king of the Revelation 13:1 kingdom, which that kingdom is the Daniel 7 fourth kingdom.

    The Daniel 7 fourth kingdom was the Roman Empire. In the end times, the Roman Empire is the EU. The beast, as the 8th king of the Roman Empire (of 7 other related kings in Revelation 17:10) will be the dictator of the EU for the last 42 months of the 7 years.
     
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  2. Dave L

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    Eisegesis............. a prime example.
     
  3. Douggg

    Douggg anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist

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    Dave, I gave the list of the beasts and what I interpret the beasts as being.

    Why don't you take that list and give who/what you interpret the beasts as being?
     
  4. Dave L

    Dave L Well-Known Member Supporter

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    How do you know anything future in the details you give when prophecy cannot be understood until after fulfillment? How can it be true if it comes from blind human beings and not from God?
     
  5. Douggg

    Douggg anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist

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    So, you therefore have no basis to say that I wrong? Since you don't think you can understand?
     
  6. Dave L

    Dave L Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Jesus said you cannot understand prophecy until after fulfillment.
     
  7. Douggg

    Douggg anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist

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    Jesus was not speaking of prophecy in general.

    Jesus was talking about.....what was in Luke 18:31-34 would not be understood by the disciples until later Luke 24:44-48.

    31 Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished.

    32 For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on:

    33 And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again.

    34 And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken.

    Then later after the resurrection and Jesus appearing to them, he opened their understanding of what he told them before in Luke 18 was going to happen, but they did not understand it.


    44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.


    45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,


    46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:

    47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

    48 And ye are witnesses of these things.
     
  8. Dave L

    Dave L Well-Known Member Supporter

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    He was speaking of all prophecy except for 11 or so that were fulfilled as written. The rest were not. And surprisingly many see fulfilled prophecies in Revelation. But you are not supposed to according to the Jesuits who dictated your futurism as an attack on the Lutheran and Reformed.
     
  9. Douggg

    Douggg anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist

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    I gave you the exact passages of what Jesus meant in post #7.

    Not only that, Jesus said "learn" a parable of a fig tree, to know when the prophecies he just gave in Matthew 24:15-30 including His Return take place. So yes, the end times prophecies can be understood.
     
  10. Dave L

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    But you don't know the details yet. Unless you manufacture them. You need to be right about Israel before you can attempt to mention them in reference to prophecies. All Dispensationalists are wrong on this before they even start.
     
  11. Douggg

    Douggg anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist

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    The end time prophecies are complex and have many many details not known yet. I don't know exactly what the mark of the beast will look like. I don't know the name of the beast. I don't how the 666 fits with his name.
    I don't know who is exactly the ten kings are in the structure of the EU forthcoming. And I don't know what specific country the little horn person will emerge from. I don't know exactly who Gog is. etc.

    But I do know enough to make a timeline chart of the 7 year 70th week.



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  12. Lost4words

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    End times experts are like grains of sand on a beach...
     
  13. Dave L

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    You don't know the least about any of this. Where does scripture mention the EU? It was the Common Market before then. And what will it be next after this falls through?
     
  14. Douggg

    Douggg anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist

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    The term EU is not in the bible. The EU has been going through several stages of development. Starting as the common market by the treaties of Rome.

    Daniel 8:23, alludes to the EU's development as being in the latter time of it - which will be when the transgressors - the ten kings will be in power, and the little horn being over them.

    23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.
     
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  15. Dave L

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    Why preach it if it's not in the bible? How many of these schemes have already proved to be lies when they failed?
     
  16. Dave L

    Dave L Well-Known Member Supporter

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    The End Time is revealed in the simplicity of Christ, if you stick to scripture.
     
  17. Douggg

    Douggg anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist

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    What does that mean, and what does it have to do with the opening post?
     
  18. Dave L

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    It is so simple you miss it. Find and read an Amillennial chart and give your head a rest.
     
  19. Douggg

    Douggg anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist

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    Dave, you wrote...

    "The End Time is revealed in the simplicity of Christ, if you stick to scripture."

    You should be able to explain what you wrote with your own words.
     
  20. Dave L

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    Nothing in your chart begins with scripture. You pull it out of thin air rearranging what scripture you can use to support your Jesuit deception now identified as Dispensationalism.
     
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