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Featured The beast - the EU

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by Douggg, Sep 10, 2018.

  1. Douggg

    Douggg anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist

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    This video is a good presentation of the British exit of the EU. It is really a big mess.
     
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  2. Paul of Eugene OR

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    Oh, the EU isn't any more beastly than any other human government, and is better than a lot of them.
     
  3. High Fidelity

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    Agreed. And I voted to leave.
     
  4. Douggg

    Douggg anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist

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    The EU has gone through the EEC, EC, then the EU starting out with the treaty of Rome. It has one more stage and that is the ten leaders with one leader over them the little horn.

    There is convergence of political and financial disaster on the horizon because of debt of the world - brought about the banking system.

    The stock markets are as phony as can be - because the central banks are propping up the system by buying bonds and stocks - with money they create on their books out of thin air. Too much to go into here.

    The person who eventually becomes the beast in Revelation 13 (not the kingdom that is the beast) will use the system that is now the path the banking elite are on - to control the buying and selling of everyone in the world.
     
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  5. Douggg

    Douggg anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist

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    I think there are around 200 days until Brexit - deal or no deal.
     
  6. FireDragon76

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    I lived in Britain in the late 80's. Even then it was moving towards a common market. Many Britons had close cultural ties to France and Spain, in particular, they weren't so much foreign countries as neighbors.

    Brexit is economic suicide for Britain. I am frankly shocked how developed nations seem to have become hostage to far right nationalism. It is a forboding time in the world, indeed.
     
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  7. Douggg

    Douggg anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist

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    What I am waiting to see is not what becomes of Britain, but what becomes of the EU.
     
  8. shilohsfoal

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    The EU is not the beast.
    Your looking i, the wrong part of the world.
    As with most scripture,theprophecy centers around israel and the middle east.There is where you will find the beast. Not the EU.
     
  9. Douggg

    Douggg anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist

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    The center of end times prophecy is centered on Israel, yes. But the entire world is involved. And the EU has the location, and the resources to be the kingdom of the beast.

    What is heading the world right into the time of the beast's 666 - is the banking elite. The amount of con-niving that is going on is going to end up enslaving the human race and destroying the world if not for Jesus putting an end to it. Countries are pitted against each other in a global currency war, faction against faction - that does not have bullets - yet. And the EU is right in the middle of it.

    You have to look at the beast as being a single person - who will be given a Kingdom in Revelation 17:17 by the ten kings of the fourth empire in Daniel 7:23-24. Not Israel center, but the people who destroyed the temple and city.

    The best place to be when that transpires is not on this earth, but in heaven with Jesus, in our new bodies.
     
  10. shilohsfoal

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    The EU isnt the beast.
    The EU cant even make the companies in the EU deal with Iran.
    The united States controls more world wide than the EU.

    Fact is,almost all prophey centers around israel and so does the beast.
    After benjamin netanyahu has implemented his cashless society in israel,then maybe you will fiqure it out.

    Besides.Israel has more than enough nuclear firepower to destroy the EU and i dont think the EU is stupid enough or have any desire to take the promised land for itself or to make war with Jesus.

    As for the islamic countries and what they believe,i cant say the same.
    They desire to destroy israel .
    Many of them want the end of the world.
     
  11. DaDad

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    Yep, it's the EU alright. Everything's working that way. We can already identify the ten nations, if we can just make up our minds as to WHICH ten nations:

    MEMBERS:
    1. Austria
    2. Italy
    3. Belgium
    4. Latvia
    5. Bulgaria
    6. Lithuania
    7. Croatia
    8. Luxembourg
    9. Cyprus
    10. Malta
    11. Czech Republic
    12. Netherlands
    13. Denmark
    14. Poland
    15. Estonia
    16. Portugal
    17. Finland
    18. Romania
    19. France
    20. Slovakia
    21. Germany
    22. Slovenia
    23. Greece
    24. Spain
    25. Hungary
    26. Sweden
    27. Ireland
    28. United Kingdom
    APPLICANTS:
    1. Albania
    2. Montenegro
    3. Serbia
    4. The former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia
    5. Turkey
    CANDIDATES:
    1. Bosnia and Herzegovina
    2. Kosovo
    There's ten alright, so we've met that criteria, BUT WHICH TEN NOBODY CAN KNOW, because THESE AREN"T the TEN NATIONS.


    Perhaps one would be better served looking at a TRUE World Organization:

    Current Permanent Membership on the Security Council:
    1. U.S.
    2. U.K.
    3. France
    4. Russia
    5. China​

    Nominated for Permanent Membership on the Security Council
    *:
    6. Germany -- economic power
    7. Japan -- economic power
    8. Brazil -- regional representative for S. America
    9. Nigeria -- regional representative for Africa
    10. India -- regional representative for the Near East​
    * “The Road To Reform: Towards A New Clarity,” U.N. Chronicle, UMI, Vol. 30, Issue 4, December 1993, pp. 45-46​

    Nah, we don't want to KNOW. It's more fun to imagine. :)

    DaDad
     
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  12. Douggg

    Douggg anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist

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    Things are going to change
    There is a trade war that is also a currency war going on right now. It is not being fought with nuclear weapons. It is being fought with lies and deception, and every sort of conniving schemes.

    The banking elite, like the U.S. central bank, are manipulating currencies and the politicians are conspiring with them. Take a look at the stock market since the 2008/2009 crisis going up, up, up - with no pull back, all on central bank intervention and big banks from around the world. They do that by forcing money to go into the stock by making other places no income in - because the interest rates are keep artificially low to keep the different nations banks and countries from declaring bankruptcy and a global financial crisis, the likes of which the world has never seen.

    In Europe, over there they have negative interest rates - what that means is the banks charge the depositors, insteading of paying to use depositors' money, to keep their money in the bank.

    It is how the EU is getting to the point of being the beast. We are just not there yet, but close. The financial crisis coming with hit the entire world, then Europe is going to go to a different political
    system of ten Kings and the little horn.

    The Brexit issue is all part of moving in that direction, but no-one can say for sure the details on how. But they have major problems in the EU that is going to result in the structural change the bible describes in Daniel 7 of the ten kings and the little horn.

    In fact, there are so many moving parts going on in the world right now - worst than an 18 speed semi-truck. I am pointing out some of the big ones.

    Netanyahu is not going to implement a cashless society. Right now the banking cartel in India is moving closer in that direction. The financial crisis the banking elite have plunged the world into is global. Israel, in no way, is big enough to do anything on that regard.

    The whole world at that time will be stupid enough to think it can make war on Jesus.

    Following Gog/Magog, Israel will think it is living in the messianic age, and will turn it nuclear weapons over to the little horn, thinking he is the messiah.

    It is not where we are today, but where the world is heading.

    The Islamic countries with Turkey, Iran, Russia are on Israel doorstep. Yes, they want to remove the Jewish state and replace it with a muslim state. But that is going to end badly for the muslims in Gog/Magog.

    Right now though, Turkey and Iran are in big financial crisis. The politicians way out is to step up war.

    The world's problems are being driven by borrowed money - which the system the bankers have put into place is to have everyone in debt to maximum extent - serviceable. But they suck the life blood out of people by causing inflation. The banking elite want to be in power and control of everyone, and make them slaves to them. The ultimate form will be 666. Which is why I personally believe the person will have a banking background.

    It remains to be seen. But I think the time is rapidly closing in.
     
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  13. TribulationSigns

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    Nowhere in Scripture that God has defined the horns as some political nations.

    Horns do not mean nations as you can see horns used to represent the power of Satan, as for example the Beast with 10 horns, etc. Please read Psalms 8:21; 2nd Samuel 22:3 where in saying "horn of my salvation," it is the same as saying the Power of salvation because in the Bible the horn is usually the symbol of power. You can see that the power of the Bull is its horns, and that is what men are most afraid of concerning these type animals, and even today in many areas the horns of animals are viewed as powerful and even magical. God used horns symbolically this way, which is why there were horns on the Altar. The altar is for the administration of the sacrifice, which represented Christ. In understanding this we can readily see why God says "Horn of my Salvation" and why there are horns on the Altar. It's because all throughout the Bible we see it illustrates they are a "figure" or symbol of the power or strength of whatever is in view. Here are some examples:

    Psalms 89:17
    • "For thou art the glory of their strength: and in thy favour our horn shall be exalted."
    People don't literally have a horn to be lifted up strengthening them of course, but the horn is used here to convey the sense of believers being exalted in the glory of "His" strength. We are lifted up in His strength (Psalms 46:1; 81:1) rather than our own. For exmaple:

    Lamentations 2:3
    • "He hath cut off in his fierce anger all the horn of Israel: he hath drawn back his right hand from before the enemy, and he burned against Jacob like a flaming fire, which devoureth round about."
    Here God uses the symbol in saying he would cut off the horn of Israel, meaning He would break off their "power" so that they will be defeated. Again, the horn there is used as a symbol of their power being broken

    Deuteronomy 33:17
    • "His glory is like the firstling of his bullock, and his horns are like the horns of unicorns: with them he shall push the people together to the ends of the earth: and they are the ten thousands of Ephraim, and they are the thousands of Manasseh."
    Here again, the horn is used to symbolize the power and strength of the Bullock that enables him to overcome or push against the people.

    Lamentations 2:17
    • "The LORD hath done that which he had devised; he hath fulfilled his word that he had commanded in the days of old: he hath thrown down, and hath not pitied: and he hath caused thine enemy to rejoice over thee, he hath set up the horn of thine adversaries."
    In this passage God uses the horn to signify that he has taken away their strength or power of Israel as judgment, by exalted the horn (Power) of their adversaries to overcome them. In other words, while (verse 3) cutting off the horn of Israel means they no longer had Power to stand against their enemies, here in this passage, setting up the horn of their adversaries (verse 17) means that the enemies now had the Power to conquer Israel. Clearly the horns there signify Power or strength. We see that when a horn is broken or cut off, it is a signification that one's power has been broken or cut off. Whether used in conjunction with a crown, where it's man's ability to rule (as a king), or for something to be unable to stand or to have strength before his enemy, that cutting off of a horn signified the cutting off of power. Again:

    Daniel 8:7
    • "And I saw him come close unto the ram, and he was moved with choler against him, and smote the ram, and brake his two horns: and there was no Power in the ram to stand before him, but he cast him down to the ground, and stamped upon him: and there was none that could deliver the ram out of his hand."
    Again, clearly and unambiguously God has defined the horn to symbolize the power of the Ram! When the two horns were broken, that left him with no more power to stand before the he goat. This is what those broken "horns" symbolized, broken power. And the same goes for the power of evil when it was broken.

    Daniel 8:8
    • "Therefore the he goat waxed very great: and when he was strong, the great horn was broken; and for it came up four notable ones toward the four winds of heaven."
    The great horn allowed the wicked he-goat to push with power so that the Ram could not stand before him. For example, it 'symbolized' his great power. But now we see that likewise, when this He goat's horn was broken, it also symbolizes his power being broken or taken away wherein other forces rose up.

    We see the same scenario in Revelation chapter 17 where there is this Beast who had ten horns. Here the number ten signifies fullness, and the horns signify power. So this imagery is to illustrate the fullness of time these kings rule with "power" along with the Beast.

    Revelation 17:12
    • "And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive Power as kings one hour with the beast."
    The horns once again signifying the power that they received to rule with the beast for this short period. Another passage where this illustration of horns signifying power can be seen in 1st Kings.

    1st Kings 22:11
    • "And Zedekiah the son of Chenaanah made him horns of iron: and he said, Thus saith the LORD, With these shalt thou push the Syrians, until thou have consumed them."
    Here God uses the imagery of horns of iron to illustrate the great power of them by which these men could push the Syrians and defeat them. The God authored and recurring theme of horns is that they symbolize the power of whatever is in view. Likewise, the lamb of Revelation chapter five verse six has seven horns to illustrate its power. The number seven illustrates the completeness or totality of whatever is in view, and thus this represents the complete power of Christ as He is the Lamb of God that was slain. As the sacrifice lamb (as in the 4 horns of the Altar), He was the appointed sacrifice who had complete or total power. Christ illustrated This complete power Himself.

    Matthew 28:18
    • "And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth."
    1st Peter 3:22
    • "Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him."
    So the Lamb with 7 horns signifies the complete power of Jesus Christ! He was sacrificed on the altar of God, with the complete power of God for the atonement. This was the mirror witness of God in speaking of the power of the sacrifice in the imagery of the 4 horns of the altar.

    Leviticus 4:7
    • "And the priest shall put some of the blood upon the horns of the altar of sweet incense before the LORD, which is in the tabernacle of the congregation; and shall pour all the blood of the bullock at the bottom of the altar of the burnt offering, which is at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation."
    Or when it is used in breaking the power of idolatry in breaking off the horns of the altar.

    Amos 3:14
    • "That in the day that I shall visit the transgressions of Israel upon him I will also visit the altars of Bethel: and the horns of the altar shall be cut off, and fall to the ground."
    By this God is illustrating that he is taking away its power or strength.

    So your claim that the ten horns representing some European nations? Of course not!
     
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  14. DaDad

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    You're the expert, and don't let anyone tell you otherwise!
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  15. shilohsfoal

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    Armegeddon is in israel.
    Not Europe .

    The beast,the false prophet,and the kings of the east are gathetd into armageddon,israel.

    Not europe.

    And europe has no interest in going to armaggedon .
    Ten islamic nnations will invade israel on thier way to armaggedon.
     
  16. shilohsfoal

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    Does anyone besides doug believe europe wants to go to jerusalem to kill Christ's witnesses?

    The EU has no interest in invading israel to kill christians and beheading christians .
     
  17. TribulationSigns

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    Expert? No, the revelation is by the Spirit. It's not by intelligence, or by knowledge or by worldly wisdom, it is by the Spirit. And doing so is to compare Scripture with Scripture to find out what God's definition for the horn.

    The discernment has nothing to do with intelligence or how smart one is. An inherent honesty or nobility to finally surrender to the truth that comes only from the Spirit of God working within us. God moved us to study the Scripture faithfully and rightly divide it ourselves. Not based on Church tradition, some favorite author, youtube prophets, the doctrine or belief based on majority or consensus.

    When Christ said, "Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word," He was telling us that the truth just will not be accepted by all people or majority! Truth is "foolishness" to MANY who cannot hear it, but it is made manifest or revealed to those who are Spirit-filled to receive it.
     
  18. Douggg

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    The beast comes out of the sea - the nations.

    Armageddon is located in Israel. That is where the kings of the earth will gather their armies.

    Islam will attack as Gog/Magog and will be destroyed right before the 7 years begin. 7 years before Armageddon.

    In Ezekiel 39:4 is the feast on the dead of Gog's army.

    Then in Ezekiel 39:17-20, 7 years later is the feast on the dead of Armageddon. That timing of that aspect of end times prophecy is set in concrete.
     
  19. Douggg

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    I could be wrong, but I doubt that the ten kings are going to represent each a nation. imo, it is more like they will represents a region or zone made up of a combination 1, 2, 3 or maybe 4 nations.

    It will be the final form of the EU. I don't think we will have to speculate very much longer.

    I want to hear what President Trump has to say in front of the U.N. on his peace plan - how that's going to go over.
     
  20. shilohsfoal

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    You do understand revelation shows the war of armaggedon taking place 1000 years before Gog invades israel.

    Not only do you have the timing off ,you have also turned the events backward.How and why would you have done that?
     
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