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Featured The Ark of Covenant, where did it go ?

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by Another Lazarus, Dec 5, 2017.

  1. PesachPup

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    Why would you want to believe that we are living "in the kingdom" when some of the last words of Jesus were "my kingdom is not of this world"? And until the 7th trumpet sounds and the proclamation goes forth "the kingdoms of this world, are become the kingdoms of our God, and his Christ"!, his kingdom is not of this world?.?

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  2. BABerean2

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    There is a past, present, and future aspect of the kingdom.

    Did Christ cast out devils during the first century.



    Mat_12:28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.

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  3. PesachPup

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    And when Jesus said this about the kingdom:

    *[[Mat 21:43]] KJV* Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a NATION bringing forth the fruits thereof.

    Has it been given to another?

    *[[Act 1:6]] KJV* When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?

    The disciples recognized that the kingdom belongs only to the NATION of Israel.

    *[[Act 1:7]] KJV* And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.

    In other words, it is not happening now!

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    Revelation's symbolic "Babylon" (Revelation chapters 17-18) represents all of fallen man's corrupt political (Revelation 17:18), economic (Revelation 18:11), and religious (Revelation 18:24) systems throughout the earth (Revelation 18:3), and throughout history (Revelation 17:9-10). The ten kings of the future Antichrist's empire will destroy with fire what Revelation's "Babylon" represents (Revelation 17:16-17) when they destroy the cities of the nations (Revelation 16:19), probably with nukes (and probably with Fission-Fusion-Fission, "FFF", or "666", nukes, "F" representing the number 6 in English gematria), at the time of the seventh vial (Revelation 16:17,19), which will be the final event (Revelation 16:17) of the future Tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24, right before Jesus Christ's future, Second Coming (Revelation 19:2 to 20:6, Matthew 24:29-31). They could do this under the direction of Lucifer/Satan (Isaiah 14:17,12), who could want to leave only a literal "scorched earth" for Jesus to return to.

    Near the very end of the future Tribulation, Lucifer (employing the ancient lies of Gnosticism) could say to the Antichrist and his ten kings something like: "Our great battle against the evil, tyrant god YHWH is about to begin [Revelation 16:14, Revelation 19:19], a battle which we will win, and so we will be able to escape YHWH's prison house, this material universe, and return to the wholly-spiritual Pleroma [i.e. Heaven]. So let us now destroy this prison cell, this foul planet, and let us, as it were, burn up all the gewgaws which we have hung upon our cell walls. Let us burn up all our great cities, all our magnificent systems. Let us break all our chains of attachment to this vile, physical realm, that we might more freely ascend back to our rightful place in the Pleroma [cf. Isaiah 14:13-14]".

    Of course this will be a lie. For at His Second Coming, Jesus Christ (who is YHWH: John 10:30, Zechariah 14:3-4) will completely defeat all of the unsaved armies of the world, arrayed against YHWH (Revelation 16:14, Revelation 19:19-21). And Jesus will have Lucifer bound in the Bottomless Pit for 1,000 years (Revelation 20:1-6, Isaiah 14:15), a time period commonly called the Millennium. During that time, Jesus will restore ruined parts of the earth, and make them like the Garden of Eden (Ezekiel 36:35, Isaiah 51:3). And after the Millennium and subsequent events (Revelation 20:7-15), God will create a New Heaven (a new first heaven, a new sky/atmosphere for the earth), and a New Earth (a new surface for the earth) (Revelation 21:1). And then God will descend from the third heaven in the literal city of New Jerusalem, in order to live with saved humanity on the New Earth (Revelation 21:2-4).

    Regarding the future destruction of the literal city of Babylon, that will happen too.

    For the city of Babylon referred to in Isaiah 13 (verses 1,19) is not the ancient city of Babylon, just as it is not the symbolic (and worldwide) "Babylon" of Revelation chapters 17-18. Instead, it is only the present-day, literal city of Babylon (in Iraq), which the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of Revelation's "beast") will transform into his world capital during the future Tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24.

    In Isaiah 13:3, the "sanctified ones" who "rejoice in [YHWH's] highness" are the obedient people in the Church in Revelation 19:7-8, after the future Tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24. They will be, in Isaiah 13:4-5, the "host of the battle" from "heaven", when they physically descend from the sky (the first heaven) with Jesus Christ as He alone wages war against the world's armies at His physical return from heaven (Revelation 19:14-21). So in Isaiah 13:6,9, the "day of the Lord" is the same as the future, Second-Coming Day of the Lord (1 Corinthians 1:7-8; 2 Thessalonians 2:1-8; 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10).

    Isaiah 13:10,13 refers to the same, future, Second-Coming time as Matthew 24:29-31 and Revelation 19:15.

    Isaiah 13:11 refers to Jesus Christ's defeat of the world's armies at His Second Coming (Revelation 19:19-21, Zechariah 14:3-21).

    Isaiah 13:16 refers not to what Jesus or the Church will do, but to what some unsaved "Medes" (Isaiah 13:17-18) will do to the inhabitants of the city of Babylon at the time of Jesus' Second Coming. By "Medes" is meant the native inhabitants of that part of the Middle East which in ancient times was called "Media", and is now in northwestern Iran. The Kurds who now live there, and in surrounding areas, claim to be the descendants of the ancient Medes.

    In Isaiah 13:17, the "Medes" are not the ancient Medes who conquered the ancient city of Babylon (Daniel 5:28,31). For the ancient Medes did not make the ancient city of Babylon uninhabited (Isaiah 13:19-22) when they defeated it, but instead kept it as a thriving city which continued on for centuries.

    In Isaiah 13:19-22, the total and eternal destruction of the city of Babylon (in Iraq) has never been fulfilled. For Saddam Hussein rebuilt the city of Babylon (using bricks he inscribed with "built by Saddam Hussein, son of Nebuchadnezzar"). And after his defeat, U.S. forces built a military base in Babylon. And in the future, the Antichrist will transform the city of Babylon into his world capital. Isaiah 13:19-22 will not be fulfilled until this city is destroyed at Jesus Christ's future, Second Coming.
     
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    Revelation 11:19 refers to a point in time in our future when some people in heaven will literally see God's heavenly Ark of the Old Covenant (cf. Hebrews 9:4), which is in God's heavenly temple building, after the pattern of which the earthly Ark of the Old Covenant (Hebrews 9:4) and the tabernacle were fashioned in the time of Moses (Hebrews 8:5, Hebrews 9:23-24).

    God still keeps His Ark of the Old Covenant Mosaic law in His temple building in heaven (Revelation 11:19), because the Old Covenant Mosaic law remains holy before Him (Romans 7:12), even though its letter is no longer meant to be practiced by people (Romans 7:6), now that the New Covenant is in effect (Matthew 26:28; 2 Corinthians 3:6-18).
     
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    Note that while the Church as a whole is indeed a figurative temple building (Ephesians 2:21), it is not the only temple of God. For it coexisted with the literal, second temple building which was in Jerusalem in the first century AD (Luke 24:53, Acts 2:46, Acts 22:17), just as the Church coexisted, and still coexists today, with the literal temple building in heaven (Revelation 11:19), and with the temple of Jesus Christ's individual human body (John 2:21), and with the temple of every Christian's individual human body (1 Corinthians 6:19). And if the Church-as-a-whole temple can currently coexist with all of these other temples of God, it will be able to coexist with the future, third, earthly, literal temple building which Revelation 11:1-2, Matthew 24:15, Daniel 11:31,36, and 2 Thessalonians 2:4 show will exist in Jerusalem during the future Tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24. This third temple will be accepted by God as a valid temple, just as the second temple was accepted by God as a valid temple, even at the time of Jesus' first coming (Matthew 23:21), and even at the time of the early Church (Luke 24:53, Acts 2:46, Acts 22:17).

    For the ultra-Orthodox Jews will build the third temple, and they will offer animal sacrifices in front of it, under the auspices of the Old Covenant Mosaic law, which remains holy before God (Romans 7:12). This is why God still keeps an ark of the Old Covenant Mosaic law in His temple building in heaven (Revelation 11:19), and why it was possible for the apostle Paul one time to involve himself with the second temple's Old Covenant Mosaic law practices without him committing sin (Acts 21:20-26; 1 Corinthians 9:20). This is not to say that the Jesus-denying motives of the ultra-Orthodox Jews will be holy before God, but that the Old Covenant Mosaic law third temple in itself and its animal sacrifices in themselves will be holy before God, because the Old Covenant Mosaic law in itself remains holy before God (Romans 7:12), even though its letter is no longer meant to be practiced by people (Romans 7:6), because the New Covenant has been inaugurated by Jesus Christ and His once-for-all-time sacrifice on the Cross for our sins (Hebrews 10:1-23, Matthew 26:28).
     
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    Because we are in a spiritual kingdom which is NOT of this world the moment we were born again. And the kingdom is not coming by observance.

    Col 1:13-14
    [13] Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
    [14] In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

    Eph 2:20-22
    [20] And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
    [21] In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
    [22] In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

    This is a spiritual kingdom being building through the church which is only a physical representation of that kingdom on Earth! And that kingdom will be realized at the Second Coming.
     
  8. Douggg

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    No, I am saying that the need for the day of Atonement sprinkling of animal blood on the ark will not be required. It was a temporary measure until Jesus came and shed his blood.
     
  9. BABerean2

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    Your question is answered below by Peter.

    In Matthew chapter 21 the Jewish leadership rejected the "chief
    cornerstone".

    Mat 21:42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?



    Below we find the "holy nation" that accepted the "chief cornerstone".



    1Pe 2:4 To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious,

    1Pe 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

    1Pe 2:6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.

    1Pe 2:7 Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,

    1Pe 2:8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.

    1Pe 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:


    1Pe 2:10 Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.

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  10. PesachPup

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    You might want to add a couple verses.

    *[[1Pe 1:1]] KJV* Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the STRANGERS scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,

    *[[1Pe 1:17]] KJV* And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your SOJOURNING here in fear:

    Strangers and sojourning. People dwelling in a strange land. A place that is not their home. Pass the time of your sojourning in fear... until you get home. Where is home?

    *[[Eph 1:10]] KJV* That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:

    *[[Eph 2:12]] KJV* That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the COMMONWEALTH OF ISRAEL, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

    We, the followers of Christ, strangers sojourning in a strange land, Jew and Gentile, will one day be GATHERED TOGETHER . Where?

    *[[2Th 2:1]] KJV* Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our GATHERING TOGETHER unto HIM,


    *[[Mar 13:27]] KJV* And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect FROM THE FOUR WINDS, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

    *[[Isa 27:12]] KJV* And it shall come to pass in that day, that the LORD shall beat off from the channel of the river unto the stream of Egypt, and ye shall be gathered one by one, O ye children of Israel.
    *[[Isa 27:13]] KJV* And it shall come to pass in that day, that the great trumpet shall be blown, and THEY SHALL COME which were ready to perish in the land of Assyria, and the outcasts in the land of Egypt, and shall worship the LORD in the holy mount at Jerusalem.

    WHERE ARE THEY GOING? THE SAME PLACE WE ARE GOING. EVER WITH HIM.

    *[[Isa 11:12]] KJV* And he shall set up an ensign for the NATIONS, and shall assemble the outcasts of ISRAEL, and gather together the dispersed of JUDAH from the FOUR CORNERS of the earth...
    *[[Isa 11:15]] KJV* And the LORD shall utterly destroy the tongue of the Egyptian sea; and with his mighty wind shall he shake his hand over the river, and shall smite it in the seven streams, and make men go over dryshod.
    *[[Isa 11:16]] KJV* And there shall be an highway for the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria; like as it was to Israel in the day that he came up out of the land of Egypt.

    There are countless scriptures that tells where his home is and where he shall reign from...JERUSALEM!

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  11. BABerean2

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    Which Jerusalem?

    Gal 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.

    Gal 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

    Gal 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.



    Heb 11:15 And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned.

    Heb 11:16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.

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  12. PesachPup

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    It would seem that your position is that we are waiting for the new Jerusalem to come down and do not distinguish the old city from the new. When the NJ comes out is at the end of the millennial kingdom of God, and God the Father comes to this earth with it. God the Father does not come until all of his enemies have been subdued by Christ, by means of being the king of the kingdom.

    Which is a result, in your view, of Satan being cast out of heaven, to which it is said, now is come the kingdom of our God, Rev 12. But if Satan has been cast out of heaven, so has the woman fled into the wilderness

    *[[Rev 12:13]] KJV* And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.

    According to Isaiah 66, the woman is Zion, the city of Jerusalem:

    *[[Isa 66:7]] KJV* Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child.
    *[[Isa 66:8]] KJV* Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.

    The woman represents Zion. That is not a subjective interpretation. It is clearly stated. So what does that mean for the woman, Zion, to dwell and be nourished in the wilderness for 1260 days? Is that figurative, just like your 1000 years? When you cross reference Rev 17 with Ezekiel 16, you will find that the harlot woman there, the great city that reigns over the kings of the earth, is identified in Rev 11.

    *[[Rev 11:8]] KJV* And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the GREAT CITY, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

    According to Daniel 2:44, the everlasting kingdom is set up and destroys, in the days of these kingdoms [of iron, clay, brass, silver and gold]. The kingdom of iron and clay is found only in the feet and toes and is described as kingdom divided. This is not the legs of iron. Only the feet and toes are of iron and clay. The kingdom of the 10 toes. We find this kingdom's future detailed in the 7th chapter of Daniel and Rev 13. A future event. The kingdom of the beast. If this kingdom has not arisen yet then, neither has the kingdom of God been set up yet either. These 10 toes are the kingdom's that Israel/Jerusalem has committed harlot and abominations with. God said that he would bring all these nations against her in pouring out his fury upon her:

    *[[Eze 16:37]] KJV* Behold, therefore I will gather all thy lovers, with whom thou hast taken pleasure, and all them that thou hast loved, with all them that thou hast hated; I will even gather them ROUND ABOUT against thee, and will discover thy nakedness unto them, that they may see all thy nakedness.
    *[[Eze 16:39]] KJV* And I will also give thee into their hand, and they shall throw down thine eminent place, and shall break down thy high places: they shall strip thee also of thy clothes, and shall take thy fair jewels, and leave thee naked and bare.

    *[[Eze 16:41]] KJV* And they shall burn thine houses with fire, and execute judgments upon thee in the sight of many women: and I will cause thee to cease from playing the harlot, and thou also shalt give no hire any more. [Jerusalem is not idolatry free].

    *[[Isa 29:3]] KJV* And I will camp against thee (Ariel/Jerusalem) ROUND ABOUT, and will lay siege against thee with a mount, and I will raise forts against thee.
    *[[Isa 29:4]] KJV* And thou(Ariel/Jerusalem) shalt be brought down, and shalt speak out of the ground, and thy speech shall be low out of the dust, and thy voice shall be, as of one that hath a familiar spirit, out of the ground, and thy speech shall whisper out of the dust.

    This is the same language that Jesus used in Luke 21, when Jerusalem shall be compassed about with armies, as is found in Eze 16:37, that i quoted above. Where it is stated that these are all thy lovers with whom Jerusalem has played the harlot with. Rome was but one of her lovers. Jesus was not talking about the destruction of Jerusalem by Titus, but a future one. He did not lead this confederation of 10 harlot loving nations against Jerusalem. It is yet a future desolation of Jerusalem. This fleeing into the wilderness is still a future event to take place, when she shall be made desolate. And so, the dominoes fall down.
    1. The woman has not fled into the wilderness.
    2. Satan has not been cast out of heaven in pursuit of the woman.
    3. The time for God's kingdom has not come.
    4. The 7th trumpet has not blown.
    5. Jesus is not reigning from Jerusalem.
    6. The kingdom of God is not of this world.
    7. The Son has not started his campaign of defeated foes for God, because Satan has not yet been cast out of heaven. How could it be that righteousness is being established
    here on earth (thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven) if it is not been established in heaven? Jerusalem is the place from which Jesus will rule from. Stamping out the enemies of God here on earth. The accuser of the brethren must be cast down first. Sin does not just exist in the deeds of men and angels, but in their hearts. Jesus will come to this earth to rule with a rod of iron to remove sin from the hearts of every man thru his eternal kingdom on earth.

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  13. BABerean2

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    Psa 2:6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.
    Psa 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
    Psa 2:8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.
    Psa 2:9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.

    The Son does not correct the flawed pottery with the rod of Iron. He destroys it.


    Based on 2 Thessalonians chapter 1, Christ returns in "flaming fire" taking vengeance on those who do no know God.


    Peter was looking for this earth to be burned up on "the day of the Lord", when He "comes as a thief", in 2 Peter 3:10-13.
    This is the same language used in 1 Thessalonians chapter 5, and Revelation 16:15-16, which are clearly Second Coming passages.

    I am looking for the same thing.

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  14. PesachPup

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    I too, as a minority view amongst pre-millers, look for:

    *[[Mat 24:35]] KJV* Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

    As one of the final signs before his coming, parousia, takes place. You may not see things clearly to escape all these things [here on earth] but i do. Matt 24, Luke 21, Mark 16, among many many others are the road map to his coming. It will be in those days just after that DAY that the scoffers will say, "where is the promise of his coming?". To most it seems most unfathomable to survive that day, but he that endureth to the end of these things shall surely be saved.
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    John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

    This means that Jesus Christ's future, physical reign on the earth with the physically resurrected Church (Revelation 20:4-6, Revelation 5:10, Revelation 2:26-29) will not be of this world in the sense that it will not come by worldly means, such as by the Church fighting physically to establish it (2 Corinthians 10:3-4, Matthew 26:52, Matthew 5:39). Instead, it will come only by Jesus Himself returning physically from heaven to establish it (Revelation 19:7 to 20:6, Zechariah 14:3-21). Also, after the future Millennium and subsequent events (Revelation 20:7-15), a New Earth (a new surface for the Earth) will be created, and God's Kingdom will continue forever on the New Earth (Revelation 21:1 to 22:5).

    Luke 17:20 ¶And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation . . .

    This means that the Kingdom of God will not come with observation until Jesus Christ's future, Second Coming in Luke 17:24, when the Kingdom will come physically to the earth, with observation:

    Matthew 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

    Luke 17:24 For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day.
     
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    God still has great regard for the earthly land of Israel (as in Deuteronomy 32:43,49b), and its earthly Jerusalem especially (as in Isaiah 62:6-7, Psalms 122:6). For even during the future, literal 3.5-year worldwide reign of the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of Revelation's "beast") (Revelation 13:5-18), the earthly Jerusalem will still be considered by God to be the holy city (Revelation 11:2, Luke 21:24), the holy mountain (Daniel 11:45, Daniel 9:16). And after the future Tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24, at Jesus Christ's Second Coming, it will be to the Mount of Olives just east of the walled Old City of Jerusalem that Jesus will physically descend (Zechariah 14:4-21, Acts 1:11-12). And then Jesus will physically rule the whole earth from the earthly Jerusalem during the Millennium (Micah 4:1-4, Zechariah 14:8-11,16-21, Revelation 20:4-6).

    Also, if even those who are "strangers" in Israel can inherit the land of Israel (Ezekiel 47:21-23), then certainly Christian Gentiles, who are "no more strangers" to Israel (Ephesians 2:12,19), will inherit the land of Israel, during the future Millennium of Revelation 20:4-6. And they will inherit the land, and all of the other promises given to Israel (Ephesians 2:12,19, Ephesians 3:6, Galatians 3:29, Genesis 12:7), along with all of the elect Jews who have ever been saved in the past, or who will get saved in our future, including at Jesus Christ's Second Coming (Zechariah 12:10-14, Romans 11:25-32).

    With regard to the Biblical, geographical extent of "the land of Israel", it does not (as is sometimes claimed) include everything between the Nile and the Euphrates. People quite understandably mistake "the river of Egypt" (Genesis 15:18) as being the Nile, when actually it is a wadi near Gaza which forms the border between the promised land and Egypt (Joshua 15:47,3-4). In this way, the promised land excludes the harsh deserts of Sinai.

    Also, the promised land does not extend from the vicinity of Gaza eastward to the Euphrates, so that Israel would include Jordan and western Iraq, because the eastern border of the promised land runs between Damascus and the Dead Sea (Ezekiel 47:18).

    So instead of extending from the vicinity of Gaza eastward to the Euphrates, the promised land extends from the vicinity of Gaza northward through Lebanon to the Euphrates in northern Syria. So the promised land includes Lebanon and the region of Hamath (1 Kings 8:65), in the northwestern part of Syria.

    In this way, the promised land includes the western part of the "Fertile Crescent", and excludes the harsh deserts of Jordan, eastern Syria, and western Iraq.

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    Some of the non-Christians in the future Millennium may be destroyed due to continued disobedience to God (Psalms 2:9b, compare the idea of Jeremiah 19:11), while others will not be destroyed because they will submit to the divine, returned Jesus Christ (Psalms 2:10-12). For just as when someone figuratively "breaks" a horse, he does not destroy it, but forces it to submit to him, so Psalms 2:9 does not require that all of the non-Christians left alive at Jesus Christ's future, Second Coming (Matthew 24:39b-40) will eventually be destroyed by Him. Instead, Psalms 2:9a can refer to some of them being only figuratively "broken" by Him, so that they will submit to His physical, worldwide reign during the Millennium (Psalms 66:3, Psalms 72:8-11). That is why other verses say that the returned Jesus and the physically resurrected Church will "rule" the nations with a rod of iron (Revelation 19:15, Revelation 2:26-29, Revelation 5:10, Revelation 20:4-6), not kill all of them. And why after the Millennium, there will still be nations (ethnos) alive on the earth who will be deceived by Satan into committing the Gog/Magog rebellion (Revelation 20:7-10, Ezekiel chapters 38-39).

    Also, in Psalms 2:9a, the original Hebrew word (ra'a, H7489) translated as "break" can be translated simply as "hurt" (Psalms 15:4b), in the sense of suffering trouble which is less than total destruction. The ways that the returned Jesus Christ will "hurt", or punish, disobedient nations during His future Millennial rule on the earth are shown in Zechariah 14:16-19.

    2 Thessalonians 1:7-10 refers to Jesus Christ's future, Second Coming, which will occur before the future Millennium (Revelation 19:7 to 20:6, Zechariah 14:3-21). Note that 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10 does not say that "all" non-Christians will be killed by Jesus at His Second Coming. For some non-Christians will be left alive by Him (Matthew 24:39b-40), and they will enter the Millennium (Zechariah 14:16-19). Also, the "vengeance" and "everlasting destruction" at the Second Coming (2 Thessalonians 1:8-9) will not be the lake of fire and brimstone (of Revelation 21:8) for everyone killed by Jesus, just as "the vengeance of eternal fire" which came upon Sodom and Gomorrah (Jude 1:7) was not the lake of fire and brimstone for those killed. For only the future Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of Revelation's "beast") and his False Prophet will be cast into the lake of fire and brimstone at Jesus' Second Coming (Revelation 19:20). Other non-Christians will not be cast into the lake of fire and brimstone until after they have been physically resurrected and judged at the Great White Throne Judgment (Revelation 20:11-15). Between the Second Coming (Revelation 19:7 to 20:3) and the Great White Throne Judgment will occur the Millennium (Revelation 20:4-6) and the subsequent Gog/Magog rebellion (Revelation 20:7-10, Ezekiel chapters 38-39).

    Regarding 2 Peter 3:10-13, in the Day of the Lord will occur the destruction of heaven (the first heaven: the sky/atmosphere) and the earth (its surface) at the Great White Throne Judgment (Revelation 20:11, Revelation 21:1). And this will be followed by the creation of a new atmosphere and surface for the earth (2 Peter 3:13, Revelation 21:1), onto which the literal city of New Jerusalem, God the Father's house (John 14:2, Revelation 21:2-3), will descend from the third heaven (Revelation 21:2-3).

    But the Day of the Lord will not immediately bring the destruction of the earth's atmosphere and surface. For the Day of the Lord will begin at Jesus Christ's future, Second Coming (1 Corinthians 1:7-8) as a thief (2 Peter 3:10a, Revelation 16:15). And after His Second Coming, He will establish His Kingdom physically on the earth with the physically resurrected Church for 1,000 years (Revelation 19:7 to 20:6, Revelation 5:10, Revelation 2:26-29, Psalms 66:3-4, Psalms 72:8-11, Zechariah 14:3-21).

    And after the 1,000 years, the Gog/Magog rebellion will occur (Revelation 20:7-10, Ezekiel chapters 38-39). And after its defeat, at least seven years will occur (Ezekiel 39:9b), before the earth's atmosphere and surface are destroyed at the Great White Throne Judgment (Revelation 20:11). All of these events, from Jesus' Second Coming to the Great White Throne Judgment, will be part of the Day of the Lord. For it is not a 24-hour day, but to God is like a 1,000-year "day" (2 Peter 3:8).
     
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    The woman in Revelation 12 represents the Church (which is Israel: Romans 11:1,17,24, Ephesians 2:12,19, Galatians 3:29, Revelation 21:9,12; 1 Peter 2:9-10). For she is clothed with the sun (Revelation 12:1) of righteousness (Malachi 4:2), through her faith in Jesus Christ (Romans 3:22), just as later we see the Church clothed with righteousness (Revelation 19:8). And the moon under her feet (Revelation 12:1) represents Satan under her feet (Romans 16:20), as she overcomes him spiritually by her faith in Jesus (Revelation 12:11). And the crown of twelve stars on her head (Revelation 12:1) represents the twelve apostles (of Matthew 10:2-4, Acts 1:16-26), who have been placed over the Church (1 Corinthians 12:28).

    Her giving birth to the "man child", and his being caught up to the throne of God (Revelation 12:5), immediately before she flees into the wilderness for a literal 3.5 years (Revelation 12:6), represents the future, mid-tribulation catching up of the 144,000 male-virgins part of the Church in their mortal bodies to the throne of God in heaven (Revelation 14:1,4-5, Textus Receptus), like how Enoch and Elijah were caught up in their mortal bodies to heaven (Hebrews 11:5; 2 Kings 2:11).

    Her fleeing into and remaining in a protected wilderness place for a literal 3.5 years (Revelation 12:6,14) represents those in the Church who will flee into and remain in divinely-protected wilderness places during the Antichrist's future, literal 3.5-year worldwide reign (Revelation 13:5-18), which will occur during the latter half of the future Tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24.

    The remnant of her seed (Revelation 12:17) represents those in the Church during that time who will not flee into wilderness places, but will remain in the cities, and will be persecuted in every nation, being imprisoned and beheaded by the Antichrist (Revelation 13:7-10, Revelation 14:12-13, Revelation 20:4-6, Matthew 24:9-13).

    Also, Genesis 37:9-10 is not (as is sometimes claimed) being referred to in Revelation 12:1. For in Revelation 12:1, the Church/Israel is not clothed with the man Jacob (Genesis 37:9-10), but with the sun of righteousness (Malachi 4:2), through her faith in Jesus Christ (Romans 3:22), just as later we see the Church/Israel clothed with righteousness (Revelation 19:8, cf. also Revelation 21:2,9,12). Also, the Church/Israel does not have the woman Rachel under her feet (Genesis 37:9-10), but Satan (Romans 16:20), as the Church/Israel overcomes him spiritually by her faith in Jesus (Revelation 12:11). And the Church/Israel does not have Jacob's twelve sons placed over her (Genesis 37:9-10), but the twelve apostles (1 Corinthians 12:28, Matthew 10:2, Acts 1:26), each one of whom will rule over one of her twelve tribes (Matthew 19:28, Luke 22:30).

    Daniel 2:42-43 might best be understood in the light of Daniel 7, where the first three beasts (Daniel 7:3-6) represent the ancient empires of Babylon (lion), Medo-Persia (bear), and Greece (leopard). The fourth beast, or fourth "king"/"kingdom" (Daniel 7:17,23), represents the ancient Roman empire. And the ten horns/kings which come out of it (Daniel 7:7,24) could represent ten major kingdoms/nations today which came out the former territory of the Roman empire, which consisted not only of Western Europe, but also the Middle East and North Africa. These ten nations could be Germany, the U.K., France, Italy, Spain, Turkey, Egypt, Iraq, Algeria, and Syria. The ten part-iron/part-clay toes of Daniel 2:42 could represent the same thing as the ten horns of Daniel 7:7. The Europeans could be the iron, and the Arabs and Turks could be the clay. In Daniel 2:43, the inability of the iron to mix with the clay could represent how, for example, there are many Turks living in Germany, but they remain separated in ghettoes within German cities. Similarly, there are many Arab Algerians living in France, but they remain separated in ghettoes within French cities.

    But despite this social separation, which could endure indefinitely, the people of Western Europe on the one hand, and the people of the Middle East and North Africa on the other, could still one day put aside their political separation and become united into one federation. For Daniel 2:42 refers to the ten as a singular "kingdom". The person who will bring this about could be the future Antichrist.

    The arising of the "little" horn (Daniel 7:8, Daniel 8:9), which is "diverse" from the ten major nations (Daniel 7:24), could mean that the future Antichrist will arise from a little country. And the little horn arising from "among" the ten major nations (Daniel 7:8) could mean that the Antichrist's country's territory used to be part of the Roman empire. And before that, it was part of one of the four Diadochian Greek kingdoms which succeeded the Greek empire of Alexander the Great (Daniel 8:8-9,21-25). The territory of these four kingdoms stretched from Greece over to Iran, and down into Egypt. So the Antichrist could come from the Middle East. He could be an Arab who will come from the little country of Lebanon, from the modern city of Tyre (Ezekiel 28:2; 2 Thessalonians 2:4).

    The Antichrist could start out by claiming to be a Baathist. After becoming the leader of Lebanon, he could peacefully gain control of a Baathist federation of three of the ten major nations (Daniel 7:24): Egypt, "toward the south" of Lebanon (Daniel 8:9), and Iraq and Syria, "toward the east" of Lebanon (Daniel 8:9). This federation could also include the minor nation of a United Palestine, that is, a defeated Israel, "the pleasant land" (Daniel 8:9).

    This Baathist federation could be put together in our future by an Iraqi Baathist General who could completely defeat and occupy Israel and Egypt with a huge Iraqi Army (Daniel 11:15-17; in verse 17 the original Hebrew word translated as "daughter" is "bath"), but who could then mysteriously disappear (Daniel 11:19) shortly before the Antichrist arises on the world stage (Daniel 11:21-45). Years later, when the Antichrist gains control of all ten of the major nations, he could appoint kings over them (Revelation 17:12) who will defer to him (Revelation 17:13), like how when Napoleon gained control of different nations, he appointed kings over them who would defer to him.
     
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    Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

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  19. PesachPup

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    You are not letting the texts speak for themselves. The woman is specifically named in Isaiah 66, Zion, who travails in birth. I pointed this out already. You are giving a private interpretation to that which needs no interpreting.
    *[[Isa 66:8]] KJV* Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.
    Secondly, you do the same in Daniel 7. It is not about four "kingdoms", but 4 "kings" that arise out of the ground, the arah. There is a clear delineation by Daniel between kings and kingdoms.
    *[[Dan 7:17]] KJV* These great beasts, which are four, are four KINGS(melek), which shall arise out of the earth.
    *[[Dan 7:18]] KJV* But the saints of the most High shall take the KINGDOM(malku), and possess the KINGDOM(malku) for ever, even for ever and ever.
    The first 3 kings lose their dominion, but not their lives, for a season and a time, but the 4th dies and his body given over to the burning flame. Daniel 8 is the explanation of what becomes of the king described as a leopard, reigning over the 4 parts of his kingdom, "the 4 wings of a fowl". He is the first to rise in power after his demotion, when the thrones are cast down and given to the son of man and his people.
    *[[Dan 7:26]] KJV* But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.
    *[[Dan 7:27]] KJV* And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.
    The dominion of the 4th king is described in Rev 13 comprising of the dominions of the first 3 kings. "... like as a leopard with the feet of a bear and the mouth as a lion...", but his seat (city from which he reigns) and his authority (his dominion) was from the Dragon/ Satan.
    Not much is known about the rise of the "bear" king, back to power, other than what is written in 2Esdras about the return to power of the "lion" king, who rises back to power last.

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  20. R. Hartono

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    In the name of Jesus i pray that Almighty God Yahwe will soon fulfill every Biblical prophecies and reveal His Son to the blind world, God has given too many days for mankind to repent already. I pray the believers would not be waiting forever, Amen.
     
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