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Featured The Ark of Covenant, where did it go ?

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by Another Lazarus, Dec 5, 2017.

  1. Another Lazarus

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    When Nebuchadrezzar besieged Jerusalem in 587 BC, he took the Hebrew as captives to Babylon and confiscated the sacred vessels from the Temple of God.

    The list of sacred vessels taken to Babylon from the Temple is explained in Jeremiah 52, however, The Ark of the Covenant was not found listed.

    King Cyrus of Persia let the Jews go back to Jerusalem to build the 2nd temple—Cyrus returns the vessels of the house of the Lord taken by Nebuchadnezzar. The Book of Ezra chapter 1 has explained the list of vessels being returned but The Ark of the Covenant was not found either.

    Ezekiel 40-48 was the vision of the coming Temple in Jerusalem without the Ark of Covenant and no more Lamb is sacrificed. WHY NO MORE ARK OF COVENANT AND NO MORE LAMB ?

    Jeremiah also wrote that the next Temple shall be rebuilt WITHOUT the Ark of the Covenant :
    Jeremiah 3:14–16,a time will come when God will regather His people from around the earth to reestablish them in the land of Canaan, the old land of Israel. When the Temple is built, they will not remember the Ark of the Covenant anymore.

    THE LAST TIME THE SHEKINAH DEPARTED FROM THE ARK OF THE COVENANT:
    Ezekiel told us the Shekinah departed from the Temple before being seized and destroyed.
    The Shekinah Glory usually appeared on the Ark of the Covenant in the Most Sacred Room.

    Ezekiel 11:22“Then did the cherubims lift up their wings, and the wheels beside them; and the glory of the God of Israel was over them above. And the glory of YHWH went up from the midst of the city and stood upon the mountain which is on the east side of the city.

    If The Shekinah Glory has departed from the Ark of the Covenant, where did the Ark go ?

    The Book of Maccabee (Apocrypha) explains that Jeremiah took the Ark with him.
    Where exactly did he hid the Ark ?

    This will explain why the Ark was not in the 2nd Temple and why Ezekiel didnt mention the Lamb for sacrifice at the rebuild temple:
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    The Ark of the Covenant was hidden beneath the rock above which Jesus was crucified, and when Jesus gave His Soul the earth cracked to give the way for His blood to enter into the crack, into the Ark of Covenant, where God Himself sacrificed His blood as the New Covenant for forgiveness of sins, not with the blood of the lamb at the Temple in Jerusalem.







    This is all Ron Wyatt's great work. Ron said the Ark will be revealed when the Mark of the Beast is enforced to the world.

    Every effort to capture the photo of the Ark always fails, God does not allow it.
    The Israelite government must keep it a secret as to avoid the Extreme people who plan to own it for the rebuilding of the 3rd Temple at the Dome of the Rock which will provoke massive wars toward Israel and the safety of its people must be a priority instead of the Temple.
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  2. Basil the Great

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    I have watched different tv programs about this issue in recent years. The ark supposedly resides with the Ethiopian Orthodox Church or at least some claim so.
     
  3. ewq1938

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    It's mentioned in Rev as being in heaven.

    Rev_11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.
     
  4. Another Lazarus

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    The Ark of the Covenant of Moses is actually the shadow of the things in Heaven.
     
  5. ewq1938

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    Any scriptural support for that?
     
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    This has been answered by Cody, thanks Cody.
    We wont meet God in heaven sitting above a Table of Covenant.
     
  8. ewq1938

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    Ok but I don't see the verse saying anything about two Ark's...one Earthly and one heavenly. All I see is one Ark, built on Earth and ending up in heaven.
     
  9. Douggg

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    Jeremiah 3:16 And it shall come to pass, when ye be multiplied and increased in the land, in those days, saith the LORD, they shall say no more, The ark of the covenant of the LORD: neither shall it come to mind: neither shall they remember it; neither shall they visit it; neither shall that be done any more.
     
  10. Another Lazarus

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    This is a sign from God that The Ark shall be hidden/removed when the Hebrew had multiplied in the land after the Babylonian captivity.
    God had a Mighty Plan with the Ark which He must fulfilled.
     
  11. seventysevens

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    Any scripture that says that God removed the ark from earth and took it into heaven ?
    He told men to build it , surely God does not need it
     
  12. ewq1938

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    No God does't explain when or how it came to be in heaven but scripture does say it is in heaven in Rev. Might be there now, maybe it's a future event.
     
  13. seventysevens

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    Scripture proving the ark that was created to house the 10 commandments God gave to Moses in is heaven ,, meaning that the ark you speak of has to identified as being the very same ark of the covenant that God gave the instructions on what it is to be made of , not just a mention of an ark , a duplicate ark was made to be used a decoy so the real ark could be hidden away from the public
     
  14. ewq1938

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    I have never seen any scripture supporting the theory of a duplicate Ark.
     
  15. seventysevens

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    Scripture does not say that , the people that housed the ark for generations did , the ark is sacred

    I have asked of you twice previously for you to show -Scripture proving that the ark that was created to house the 10 commandments God gave to Moses that it is in heaven ,, meaning that the ark you speak of; has to be dentified as being the very same ark of the covenant that God gave the instructions on what it is to be made of , not just a mention of an ark ,
     
  16. ewq1938

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    The scripture is clear enough:

    Deu_10:8 At that time the LORD separated the tribe of Levi, to bear the ark of the covenant of the LORD, to stand before the LORD to minister unto him, and to bless in his name, unto this day.


    Rev 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

    Testament and covenant are the same things BTW. It's the same Ark.
     
  17. seventysevens

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    Feel free to believe that the ark is in heaven ,- being found in a book that is written entirely about future events , be like saying Jesus is on earth now because we read that Jesus is seen coming to earth - in the future it will be in heaven God does things with purpose and all through time all the writings about things that people who have access and possession of the ark , that many people would not be fabrication stories , i have seen a lot of very credible video footage and the like that fits fits perfectly with the puzzle , when God does things he provides reason nearly every time if not every time
     
  18. ewq1938

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    There aren't many posts in this thread. I have already stated I don't know when it arrived in heaven.
     
  19. Bible2+

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    It could be buried in a ruined fort in the desert east of Jerusalem. (See the bolded part of the comments below.)

    The discovery of the ark there could be one of the key events which will lead to the building of the 3rd Jewish temple in Jerusalem.

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    One reason that the 3rd Jewish temple of Revelation 11:1-2, Matthew 24:15, Daniel 11:31,36 and 2 Thessalonians 2:4 hasn't been built yet is the Israeli government has been careful to protect the Muslim Dome of the Rock and the Al Aqsa Mosque (which are on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem) ever since Israel took military control of the Temple Mount back in 1967. For the Israeli government knows if the ultra-Orthodox Jews in Israel were to destroy these 2 buildings (the 3rd-holiest sites in Islam) in order to clear the Temple Mount for a 3rd Jewish temple, this could mean the end of the current state of Israel. For enraged Muslim armies and militias could attack Israel en masse in an all-out jihad and defeat it completely.

    While the ultra-Orthodox Jews are no doubt aware of this danger, they believe the 3rd Jewish temple must nonetheless be built exactly where the prior Jewish temples stood: right over the Rock of Sacrifice (the Rock of the Dome of the Rock) on which Abraham almost sacrificed Isaac. And the ultra-Orthodox Jews could be brought to the point where they will even desire to see the end of the current, secular state of Israel, believing that only in its demise will God make it possible for them to establish a new, perfectly ultra-Orthodox, theocratic city-state of (what they could call) "the True Israel". They could establish this within the walled Old City of Jerusalem (which contains the Temple Mount), and build on the Temple Mount a 3rd Jewish temple before which they can restart the daily Mosaic animal sacrifices, and perfectly keep every jot and tittle of the Mosaic law, and banish every non-kosher person and thing from ever entering within Old Jerusalem's "Holy walls".

    (This could point to another reason the current, secular government of Israel doesn't want to let the ultra-Orthodox Jews build a 3rd Jewish temple: out of fear that the secular authority of the Israeli government could subsequently get undermined. For once temple practices resumed and a priesthood came into power, a creep toward theocracy could ensue in Israel, where priests and rabbis would become powerful enough to replace the secular leaders. So the latter could want to place a hold on any drift in that direction by forbidding the building of a 3rd Jewish temple.)

    Something which could help to bring the ultra-Orthodox Jews to the point of desiring to see the end of the current, secular state of Israel would be them getting squeezed out of their settlements in Samaria and Judaea (also called the West Bank), and in eastern Jerusalem, as part of a peace deal handing these areas over to a Palestinian state. For the ultra-Orthodox Jews (rightly) see Samaria, Judaea and Jerusalem as the historically most important and holy parts of the land promised by God to Israel since the time of Abraham (Exodus 32:13). So when they start to get squeezed out of these areas, in a rage they could mass in their tens of thousands, armed with machine guns (which they're allowed to have for self-defense against the Palestinians). And led by 3 huge bulldozers they could march as a great army to the Old City of Jerusalem and go up on the Temple Mount and completely destroy the Dome of the Rock and the Al Aqsa Mosque.

    (A fear of the ultra-Orthodox Jews resorting to violence could be one of the reasons the current Israeli government refuses to hinder Jewish settlement activity in Samaria, Judaea and eastern Jerusalem. It could also be one of the reasons the U.S. government has been convinced by Israel to back off from requiring any such hindrance, even though the U.S. sometimes complains about the settlements. But if down the road, the current, geriatric, lifeless, Palestinian leadership of Fatah in the West Bank is replaced by a younger, very-energetic leadership, which is able to whip up pressure from the Middle East's Arab masses and governments (and even from non-Arab governments such as the French and the EU) for a Palestinian state; and if this pressure becomes so extreme it begins to threaten to overthrow the current U.S. hegemony over the Arab world, the U.S. could decide to force Israel to surrender the Jewish settlements to a Palestinian state. Also, there could be a change within Israel itself so that a majority of Israelis, including civilians, army leaders, judges, etc., decide it's time to remove the current, hard-line Israeli government and replace it, during an election, with a more liberal government willing to implement a 2-state solution with the Palestinians.)

    Besides the ultra-Orthodox Jews in Israel getting squeezed out of their settlements at some point in our future, something else which could help to tip the scales toward them becoming violent would be the rising up in Israel of a miracle-working, ultra-Orthodox Jewish false "Messiah" (cf. Matthew 24:24), who could tell the ultra-Orthodox Jews something like:

    "God says now is the time for us to take back religious control of the Holy Temple Mount, and rid it of all the detestable shrines which the Muslims have placed upon it. We are to sanctify it in the name of our God, so that we might rebuild His Holy Temple there. Listen, my brethren, fear not the Muslims' reaction when we retake religious control of the Holy Temple Mount. For God Himself is with us. He will protect us perfectly. Have I not shown you His mighty Power working through Me? Fear not any men, but fear only our Mighty God, who now commands us to rebuild His Holy Temple at the place He determined from the time of our Father Abraham. Our God gave us back the Holy Temple Mount way back in 1967 C.E. But what have we done with it over all the time since then? Nothing! How can this be? How can we have allowed some merely-secular, so-called 'Israeli' government invented by sinful men to keep us, God's holy people, from even setting foot back on the Temple Mount, and to let it remain under the religious control of the vile Muslims? Let us all rise up now, my brethren! Let us all rise up, in the name of our God, and let us do mighty exploits to the Glory of His Holy Name!"

    With such rhetoric, accompanied by his working of amazing miracles (cf. Matthew 24:24), a false ultra-Orthodox Jewish "Messiah" in Israel could whip up the ultra-Orthodox Jews there into a religious frenzy, so they will all with great zeal and without any fear march in their tens of thousands to the Temple Mount, and take total control of it and then rejoice there and dance and sing holy hymns to God "for His great and mighty Victory".

    Something else which could help tip the scales toward the ultra-Orthodox Jews in Israel becoming violent is the occurrence of a series of great earthquakes in Jerusalem which will severely damage the Dome of the Rock and Al Aqsa Mosque, to the point where they will stop being used. For the ultra-Orthodox Jews could see this as (in their words) "Clearly a portent from God that He will no longer allow the Muslims to trample His Holy Mountain. We must now reassert Jewish religious control over it and rebuild His Holy Temple there".

    Something else which could help tip the scales toward the ultra-Orthodox Jews in Israel becoming violent is their finding out the location of the Ark of the Covenant, which could be buried under an ancient ruined fort in the desert east of Jerusalem. The Copper Scroll could contain the clues as to where the Ark is buried in the fort (e.g. "under the third step"). The Ark could have been located there already with ground-penetrating radar by some non-religious treasure hunters, but the Israeli government could be holding up a digging permit to retrieve the Ark, because the government is afraid the ultra-Orthodox Jews could see a retrieval of the Ark as (in their words) "An unmistakable sign from God that now is the time for us to rebuild His Holy Temple". So the Israeli government has a motive to keep the location of the buried Ark top secret.

    Fearing that some ultra-Orthodox Jews could nonetheless somehow discover the top secret location of the buried Ark, and go there in the dead of night and dig it up without a permit from, or any notification to, the Israeli government, the government could have placed armed guards and surveillance cameras to watch over the buried Ark's location day and night.

    But if the buried Ark's location is found out by some ultra-Orthodox Jews, they could round up tens of thousands of their fellows, armed with machine guns, and they could suddenly swarm the location, overwhelm any armed guards there, and hold off any subsequently-arrived IDF troops and tanks long enough to get the Ark out of the ground. Once it's out and the IDF troops actually see it, it's unlikely they're going to try to stop the ultra-Orthodox Jews from parading it to the Temple Mount, they will be in such awe.

    Also, once the ultra-Orthodox Jews make it to the Temple Mount and begin completely destroying the Muslim Dome of the Rock and the Al Aqsa Mosque, it's unlikely the IDF troops are going to open fire, whether with lead bullets or rubber bullets, on their fellow Jews, slaughtering or injuring hundreds or thousands of them. Also, increasing numbers of IDF officers are very religious, so they could order their troops to stand down. And if some non-religious officers convince their troops to employ tear gas in an attempt to simply disperse the ultra-Orthodox Jews without harming them, this could be thwarted by the ultra-Orthodox Jews having brought along gas masks (which, ironically, could have been issued to them by the Israeli government itself, back when there was a fear Saddam Hussein would send Scud missiles into Israel with chemical weapons payloads).

    So the Israeli government could be unable to prevent the complete destruction of the Dome of the Rock and the Al Aqsa Mosque at the hands of the ultra-Orthodox Jews. And so the Israeli government could be unable to prevent the subsequent, retaliatory destruction of the state of Israel at the hands of enraged Muslim armies and militias.

    Regarding Ezekiel chapters 40 to 48, note that they aren't necessarily a prophecy of future events which must happen, like those in the book of Revelation must happen (Revelation 1:1), but could have been a conditional vision which Israel had to fulfill while it was still in Old Testament/Old Covenant times (Ezekiel 43:11). For the vision refers to animal sacrifices for sin (Ezekiel 43:21-22), which were abolished by Jesus Christ on the Cross, along with all the rest of the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law (Ephesians 2:15-16, Colossians 2:14-17, Hebrews 7:18-19, Romans 7:6; 2 Corinthians 3:6-18). Jesus' New Covenant sacrifice for sin (Matthew 26:28) completely and forever replaced all of the Old Covenant animal sacrifices for sin (Hebrews 10:1-23).

    Nonetheless, when Jesus Christ returns in our future and begins His Millennial reign on the earth (Revelation 20:4-6, Zechariah 14:3-21), He will still build a New Covenant, 4th temple building in Jerusalem; and New Covenant animal sacrifices will be offered in front of that temple (Zechariah 14:20-21, Zechariah 6:12-13). Instead of these sacrifices being for sin, they could be for thanksgiving (cf. Leviticus 22:29). Jesus could build that temple, and it could be operated according to the description in Ezekiel chapters 40 to 48, but leaving out the parts about animal sacrifices for sin. Another possibility is that New Covenant animal sacrifices for sin will be made, but as a remembrance of Jesus' New Covenant sacrifice on the Cross for our sins (Matthew 26:28), like how Communion is currently partaken of in remembrance of Jesus' sacrifice (Luke 22:19). The current practice of Communion could cease at Jesus' return (1 Corinthians 11:26).

    Also, after the future Millennium and subsequent events (Revelation 20:7-15), when the literal city of New Jerusalem will descend from heaven and land on the New Earth (Revelation 21:1-3), there will no longer be any temple building (Revelation 21:22).

    Note that Jeremiah 3:16-17, like Ezekiel chapters 40 to 48, can refer to the future Millennium (of Revelation 20:4-6), rather than to the future, 3rd Jewish temple of Revelation 11:1-2, Matthew 24:15, Daniel 11:31,36, and 2 Thessalonians 2:4, which will be built during the future Tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24.

    Note that Hebrews 9:23-24 shows that the blood of Jesus Christ's sacrifice on the Cross was not placed on the earthly Ark of the Covenant, but on the heavenly Ark of the Covenant (in Revelation 11:19). The earthly Ark of the Covenant is only a shadow/copy of the heavenly Ark of the Covenant (Hebrews 8:5, Hebrews 9:23-24).
     
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    The Ark is in a cave in Mt Nebo Jordan , check it out.

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    4 It was also in the same document that the prophet, having received an oracle, ordered that the tent and the ark should follow with him, and that he went out to the mountain where Moses had gone up and had seen the inheritance of God. 5 Jeremiah came and found a cave-dwelling, and he brought there the tent and the ark and the altar of incense; then he sealed up the entrance. 6 Some of those who followed him came up intending to mark the way, but could not find it. 7 When Jeremiah learned of it, he rebuked them and declared: “The place shall remain unknown until God gathers his people together again and shows his mercy. 8 Then the Lord will disclose these things, and the glory of the Lord and the cloud will appear, as they were shown in the case of Moses, and as Solomon asked that the place should be specially consecrated.”
     
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