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Featured The Antichrist is Not Jewish or Israeli

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by Dale, Oct 16, 2020.

  1. 1an

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    Hello, just to say, I see Rome as a military nation with their own national god rather than the place. Just my view. We know the Bible uses 'types'.

    Just to add, I have been here since 2011 but got embroiled with some anti-Trinitarians on another forum, so when I came back after several years, still using the same screen name, they put me down as a newbie, saying there had been some major changes to the forum. The people I knew and loved aren't here anymore sadly.
     
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  2. Douggg

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    The Son of God answers your question below.

    Mat 21:33 "Hear another parable: There was a certain landowner who planted a vineyard and set a hedge around it, dug a winepress in it and built a tower. And he leased it to vinedressers and went into a far country.
    Mat 21:34 Now when vintage-time drew near, he sent his servants to the vinedressers, that they might receive its fruit.
    Mat 21:35 And the vinedressers took his servants, beat one, killed one, and stoned another.
    Mat 21:36 Again he sent other servants, more than the first, and they did likewise to them.
    Mat 21:37 Then last of all he sent his son to them, saying, 'They will respect my son.'
    Mat 21:38 But when the vinedressers saw the son, they said among themselves, 'This is the heir. Come, let us kill him and seize his inheritance.'
    Mat 21:39 So they took him and cast him out of the vineyard and killed him.
    Mat 21:40 "Therefore, when the owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those vinedressers?"
    Mat 21:41 They said to Him, "He will destroy those wicked men miserably, and lease his vineyard to other vinedressers who will render to him the fruits in their seasons."
    Mat 21:42 Jesus said to them, "Have you never read in the Scriptures: 'THE STONE WHICH THE BUILDERS REJECTED HAS BECOME THE CHIEF CORNERSTONE. THIS WAS THE LORD'S DOING, AND IT IS MARVELOUS IN OUR EYES' ?
    Mat 21:43 "Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken from you and given to a nation bearing the fruits of it.
    Mat 21:44 And whoever falls on this stone will be broken; but on whomever it falls, it will grind him to powder."
    Mat 21:45 Now when the chief priests and Pharisees heard His parables, they perceived that He was speaking of them.
    Mat 21:46 But when they sought to lay hands on Him, they feared the multitudes, because they took Him for a prophet.


    The nation bearing the fruits of the kingdom of God is found in 1 Peter 2:4-10.

    If you think God owes something to those who reject His Son, see also 1 John 2:22-23, and 2 John 1:7-11.


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  4. Douggg

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    The question was...

    Do you think Israel has lost it's inheritance to the promised land that God gave them as theirs forever?

    Amos 9:15 And I will plant them upon their land, and they shall no more be pulled up out of their land which I have given them, saith the LORD thy God.

    Do agree or disagree with Amos 9:15 ?
     
  5. Randy777

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    I don't believe the man of lawlessness will be someone from Judaism as that one curses God, His dwelling place and everyone in it. He invades the Holy land and declares himself God.

    He will show no regard for the gods of his ancestors or for the one desired by women, nor will he regard any god, but will exalt himself above them all.

    Judaism holds to only one true God not Gods. As in the gods of his ancestors, which would point to someone whose heritage is not Jewish.
     
  6. Oseas

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    2Thessalonians 2

    3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that MAN of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;


    4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

    9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

    10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

    11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

    12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

    13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

    John 5:v.43 - 47
    43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name
    (AN IMPOSTER, a false MESSIAH. The Jews are waiting their peculiar messiah, not JESUS) him ye will receive.

    44 How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?

    45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.

    46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me.

    47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

     
  7. Douggg

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    Oseas, would you agree that is an act the person commits - and not a thing "setup"?

    i.e. not the abomination of desolation.

    11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
     
  8. Douggg

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    Yes, I agree with that.

    But, Oseas, this is what I think you should consider. The person is anointed the King of Israel, Messiah.

    That goes on for several years, before without warning he stops the daily sacrifice, and goes into the temple, sits, claims to be God (2Thessalonians2:4), revealing himself to be the man of sin, son of perdition (not the messiah as the Jews will have intially thought).

    So what are the Jews going to do? They are going to reject him from continuing as their King of Israel, Messiah. It would be like the leader of Brazil or the United States one day out of nowhere, make some outrageous claim that he is God. That person would be impeached immediately.

    So the Jews rejecting the person - ends his time as the Antichrist, King of Israel coming in his own name. And begins his short run to become the beast, the final king of the Roman Empire in the end times, leader of the EU, dictator.
     
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  9. Randy777

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    Those people believed in Gods rather then a God? The AC did not hold to the Gods of His ancestors. That suggests someone who is not of Jewish heritage as I stated.
     
  10. JacksBratt

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    I thought he was to come out of Rome?
     
  11. Douggg

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    We are living in perilous times. LOOK, the proliferation of the extreme apostasy of this present time has developed, by the spirit of Devil, of course, an environment extremely favorable to the MAN of sin, son of perdition, a former Cherub, a former ruler of God's Garden, the Garden of Eden, this explains the reason by which this MAN is called of son.

    By the way, churches are dying or are already died in the hands of fallen apostate angels, or apostate Ministers
    (2Corinthians 11:v.13-15), dragged by the TAIL of the Dragon, some like 1/3 of them.

    Scriptures is fulfiling LITERALLY, the MAN of sin will manifest himself maybe next year or after, or even halfway through this decade, as was warned by Paul Apostle around two thousand years ago, saying:

    2 Thes.2:v.9-13 - 9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with ALL POWER power and SIGNS and lying wonders, 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. (they believes not in JESUS - John 5:v.43-47). 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: (THEY ARE LOST, THEY WILL PERISH FOR EVER BY THE HANDS OF GOD HIMSELF-Matt.10:v.27-28)
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    hat they all might be DAMNED who believed not the truth(they refuse to believe in JESUS), but had pleasure in unrighteousness(they will believe in a false messiah-John 5:v.43-47. Whoso readeth, let him understand).

    The MAN OF SIN or SON OF PERDITION
    has nothing to do with a military sistem, but a religious system. He is a former Cherub, he is a profound Torah connoisseur or wiser, as a Rabbi.

    Deuteronomy 18:v.20- The Word is God
    The prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods(god of this world-2Cor.4:v.4), even that prophet shall die.
     
  13. chad kincham

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    I thought for years that the Antichrist had to be Jewish, because Jesus told the Israelites they reject Him as messiah, but will accept the AC as their messiah - and they would never receive a non Jew, who isn’t from the House of David.

    See John 5:43

    Joh 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
     
  14. chad kincham

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    The new covenant took effect at Jesus’ death - thus we know that at the end of the 69 weeks in Daniel, when Messiah Jesus was cut off in death, that the new covenant had to be in effect at that time.

    Now we await the 70th week, when the son of perdition steps into the third temple, and stops the sacrifices, in the middle of the week.
     
  15. BABerean2

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    Dan 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.


    He was cut off "after" the 69 weeks.
    If I agree to paint your house "after" 69 weeks, it will not be painted until the 70th week or later.


    The following is found in the 1599 Geneva Bible, which is the Bible the Pilgrims brought to America.
    It reveals the understanding of that time.


    Dan 9:27 And he shal confirme the couenant with many for one weeke: and in the middes of the weeke he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the ouerspreading of the abominations, he shall make it desolate, euen vntill the consummation determined shalbe powred vpon the desolate.


    Daniel 9:27
    And he (a) shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to (b) cease, (c) and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

    (a) By the preaching of the Gospel he affirmed his promise, first to the Jews, and after to the Gentiles.

    (b) Christ accomplished this by his death and resurrection.

    (c) Meaning that Jerusalem and the sanctuary would be utterly destroyed because of their rebellion against God, and their idolatry: or as some read, that the plague will be so great, that they will all be astonished at them.



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  16. Randy777

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    Not sure why they chose Gods over God
    JPS Tanakh 1917
    Neither shall he regard the gods of his fathers; and neither the desire of women, nor any god, shall he regard; for he shall magnify himself above all
    NIV
    He will show no regard for the gods of his ancestors or for the one desired by women, nor will he regard any god, but will exalt himself above them all.
    NSRV
    He shall pay no respect to the gods of his ancestors, or to the one beloved by women; he shall pay no respect to any other god, for he shall consider himself greater than all.
     
  17. Douggg

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    4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

    It seems like he would have to be Jew having a belief of there being God who is above all other so called gods - in order to claim to be God himself.

    Because in Daniel 8, it says he will magnify himself in his heart, and in Ezekiel 28:2 it says basically the same thing, and references sitting in the seat of God (and 2Thessalonians2:4 indicating him sitting in the temple), it appears to me that the person will think he has achieved God-hood.

    2 Son of man, say unto the prince of Tyrus, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thine heart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am a God, I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas; yet thou art a man, and not God, though thou set thine heart as the heart of God:
     
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  18. Randy777

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    That isn't the point. If He has no regard for the "Gods" of His ancestors that doesn't suggest to me someone of Jewish ancestry. The King of the North invades the Holy Land. I don't get the impression that King who rises up, not be human power, outside of Israel who curses God and those in heaven was a Jew. So I agree with the "The Antichrist is Not Jewish or Israeli"
     
  19. Douggg

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    You are basing your view on a disputed translation of Gods and not God.

    Anti "Christ".

    Mark15:31 Likewise also the chief priests mocking said among themselves with the scribes, He saved others; himself he cannot save.

    32 Let Christ the King of Israel descend now from the cross, that we may see and believe. And they that were crucified with him reviled him.

    To be the King of Israel, a person has to be a Jew.
     
  20. Randy777

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    It's more than just anti-christ its also anti God the Father. Reveals himself in Gods temple. The King of the North is not someone from inside Israel. This person has no regard for God or the Holy Land. Which doesn't suggest to me one of Jewish heritage. Its unknown to all but God the background of this future lawlessness one. I just don't think it is one of Jewish heritage.
     
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