The anti Christian bias gets ever more visible

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http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/08/15/nyt.kristof/index.html

He condescendingly professes not to be "denigrating anyone's beliefs", yet he states that those who choose faith over the secular are choosing the "mystical" over intellect (and thus, idiots).

In phrasing so obvious a slight under so thin a veneer, he adds insult to injury by implying that we're too "mystical" to pick up on what boils down to a secular-slanted joke at our expense. In living meekly and humbly, I don't believe in taking ourselves overly seriously or rushing to offense... but IMO, this is below the belt. :(

This gentlemen and those who share his view need our prayers.
 

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This editorial represents the view of one man. The title of this thread is about "the anti christian bias gets ever more visible". You make it sound like America is agaisnt you, when it is only one man.

The fact that the question of a federal ban of gay marriage has been raised by our president should let you know that you have at least one much more powerful man on the side of christianity. So dont get too worried about an editorial.
 
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sweetkitty said:
That is the saddest thing I have ever read :(
The power of prayer is amazing. How sad to not KNOW this.

How is this sad? Crazyfingers is an atheist, he does not believe in a god or a higher power. How would he pray? Who or what would he direct the prayer to?
 
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crazyfingers said:
I share his views. But don't pray for me. Nothing fails like a prayer. Thanks.

I humblely disagree, but from my perspective, I would also humbly request that you would let someone pray for you. If its just a talking out loud to yourself thing from your perspective, what does it hurt? Seems to allow people to think more kindly about you, and you seem to impact thier lives more..I thought that is what atheists like to do? ;)
 
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Annabel Lee said:
How is this sad? Crazyfingers is an atheist, he does not believe in a god or a higher power. How would he pray? Who or what would he direct the prayer to?
We are talking about someone praying FOR him..not him praying. And to say that prayer fails..that is what I found so sad.
 
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I'm aware that it's an editorial, but while it's on the front page of the CNN Web site (or was this afternoon), I'd be extremely surprised to find an editorial in support of faith there are or at the Times. You'd have to go to Christian sites to find one. As someone who was agnostic and a part of the secular crowd for years (and trained as a journalist) myself, I know it's not coincidence, so please don't waste your time or mine on attempts to spin it.

Crazy: Tough cookies. I'm praying for you all the more because obviously, you need it. There's genuine power in Jesus' name and it's not coincidence. :)

Zara, on the contrary: Today's secularly-biased, pro-pagan, pro-gay, increasingly anti Jude-Christian crowd is comprised of far more than “one man”. Our homes/streets/lives are invaded by inappropriate images/language/content on our televisions, in movies, in ads on billboards, on the radio, on the Internet (i.e. in ads at news sites), et cetera daily... and before you toss the tired cliché “don't watch/listen to it” out, please keep in mind just how integral many of these outlets are to keeping up with news and current events these days.

Next comes the secular, religion-is-for-chumps, science-and-socialism-adoring slant of most educational materials in our public schools and universities. Add to this the steady societal pressure by those seeking to overthrow the church (both within and from without) and you start to get the real picture. We are a people whose backs are to the wall... but He often works his greatest wonders in such situations.

As for President Bush: I'm praying for him, but for all his administration's talk of faith-based initiatives, his support for UNESCO (to the tune of $71 million in H.R. 1950 last month) makes me wonder where his loyalty lies (and would even if his father hadn't pledged allegiance to the U.N.). UNESCO can't wait to encourage kids to worship their Judeo-Christianity-mocking “ark of hope” (in which they keep their mockery of the 10 commandments, the "Earth charter") while groups like the IGLHRC work to make molesting them legal (i.e. by lowering the legal age of consent). UNESCO's also expressed support for Chinese population control programs that included forced abortion. I'd love to think President Bush was simply mislead, but the whole thing feels like a knife in the back of God-fearing America, no matter who planted it.

Brimshack, praying, by definition, is asking God to intervene in a matter. Someone saying they'll pray for you is saying they'll ask Him to help you and most Christians (and Jews and Muslims) view it as a very kind, compassionate thing to do. I find the fact that you view it as condescending as telling as it is sad. :(
 
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Fully Cooly said:
Why do they let non-Christians on this forum-all they do is bother us.
Heh, going on a Christian forum to post arguments is the lowest and is pathetic.

We have to share a world together so we might as well try to get along. I actually enjoy an atmosphere where people from all walks at life can get together and discuss various topics. It is a pity though that all the bandwith here lately is wasted on anti-homosexual sentiments.

What I don't understand is why a Christian complains about this? Are you not grateful you have an audience?

Dont get me wrong I still love you crazy atheists and agnostics.

I fail to see how that follows from your post above.
 
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Although I find their ignorance equally tiring, Fully Cooly, I have to agree: No understanding can come between us and agnostics/atheists/etc and most importantly, no witnessing can be done if we cloister ourselves away. A wise man never turns down an opportunity to win a friend for Christ.

Jesus said, when asked by the Pharisess why he hung out with those they considered undesireable (i.e. tax collectors and prostitutes), roughly (paraphrased here), "where does a doctor belong? Tucked away in cozy surroundings with other doctors or on the streets, seeking out the sick?" :)

If anything, America's Christians need to learn to discipline ourselves intellectually and sharpen our debating (not arguing – debating) skills. One of the chief ways the secular/gay/pagan crowd has nearly stolen the nation we built out from under us is by exploiting our own ignorance and throwing the “brightest” of their minds at our least informed. Read all that you can, voraciously (it's Biblical that we're to seek knowledge, including secular materials, provided it's studied objectively with the understanding that much of it will be biased) and practice defending your point of view with friends in an atmosphere of respectful disagreement.

If God-fearing America starts working out again intellectually (especially our youth and teens), we'll begin to see the many lies they've fooled and manipulated the public into backing as truth exposed. Don't step into the ring in anger, but put on your gloves, shake hands, and never shrink from any chance to show them His (the real) Truth. If you build the muscles and put your trust in Him, He'll step in with you and guide your every move. ;)
 
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yes crazyfinger, let someone pray for you! Like you have a choice anyway. I wish all these people who have faith in prayer would pray for the children in Africa who are starving to death or pray for war to end, but no! They just want to waste their time trying to praying foru us to be like them..
 
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