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The alt-right and the alt-left support of Assad, Russia, Iran, etc.

Discussion in 'American Politics' started by LoveBeingAMuslimah, Aug 13, 2017.

  1. LoveBeingAMuslimah

    LoveBeingAMuslimah Newbie

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    Following the latest terrorist attack by a radical alt-right terrorist in Virginia, we must stop ignoring these views of theirs. This isn't just a phenomenon under Trump. It was happening under Obama as well (in fact, Obama's policies in the Middle East insofar as the Iran deal, not holding Assad's regime to account after Assad crossed the red line, attacking the rebels who oppose Assad, supporting the Iraqi government and the Shia militias, etc. were met with approval by the alt-left).

    It's interesting that the two who seem politically diametrically at odds with one another actually have many extreme political views that align. Two sides of the same coin, I guess.

    So this thread will attempt to show the different instances where the far left and the far right have supported the same evil people.

    Let's start with the white supremacist gathering in Virginia that turned violent and one of them committed a terrorist attack by ramming his car into protesters, killing one.

    A picture posted on the Facebook page of James Fields who ran his car through the crowd in Virginia today.

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  2. LoveBeingAMuslimah

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    Also in Virginia (the night before the woman was killed), members of the alt-right were praising Assad at the rally.

    "In recent months, however, Assad has become an icon also for the far right, whose leaders and spokesman have heaped praise on the ferocity with which he has prosecuted the war, his role in fighting the Islamic State and his perceived stance against Muslims and Jews.

    That Assad’s harsh methods have resulted in tens of thousands of civilian casualties seems only to have enhanced his stature. In a video posted on Twitter, three men who participated in the Charlottesville protests hailed Assad’s use of barrel bombs to subdue communities that turned against him. One is wearing a T-shirt that says: “Bashar’s Barrel Delivery Co.”

    [...] “Assad did nothing wrong,” said alt-right social-media activist Tim Gionet, who is also known as “Baked Alaska” on Twitter and YouTube. “Barrel bombs, hell yeah,” he can be heard saying in the same video.

    The far right's love affair with Assad also might not be entirely unexpected. His Ba'ath Party is fiercely nationalist and ethnocentric, focused on the promotion of Arab identity. One of the few political parties permitted by his regime and one of his staunchest supporters in the war is the Syrian Social Nationalist Party, which drew the inspiration for its logo from the swastika."


    Syria’s Assad has become an unexpected icon of the far right in America

    Here is the shirt referenced above that was worn at the white supremacist gathering. In the video from which this screenshot was taken, they were also seemingly referring to the two chemical weapons attacks (the ones that garnered international attention, as there have been many others besides the August 2013 and April 2017 sarin ones) and dismissing them. Saying that if Assad uses them, it's none of their business. And that those weapons will take care of ISIS (lol):

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  3. SkyWriting

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    God has no concern about others. God is only concerned about how you act in this world.
    It's possible other people have no connection to God at all.
    God's only concern is you and your love for your neighbors.
     
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  4. mark kennedy

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    “What this is all about is not the National Socialists or the Ku Klux Klan,” Painter said. “This is an umbrella organization or movement called the alt-right and the alt-right is a terrorist movement.” (‘The alt-right is a terrorist movement’: Ex-Bush ethics czar blasts Trump administration’s support of racists, Raw Story)​

    It almost makes sense that Assad would be idolized, the Nazis had a strange association with Middle Eastern countries. They shared a common object of their hate, the Jews. Richard Painter isn't a left wing radical, he advised George W. Bush on ethics and he has finally denounced the hate groups of the alt-right in no uncertain terms:

    He went on, “And that’s what we have seen: deaths today in Charlottesville because of the alt-right terrorist movement. It was given a platform by Steve Bannon at Breitbart News and the Trump administration needs to remove from the federal government anyone who has had any association with this so-called alt-right movement.”

    “People are dying because of it,” Painter said. “It’s a threat to our national security and these people need to be out.” (‘The alt-right is a terrorist movement’: Ex-Bush ethics czar blasts Trump administration’s support of racists, Raw Story)
    Trump insists on an absolute ban on Muslims coming into the country. He says of Mexican immigrants that they are, “bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. He tells the Australian Prime Minister:

    No, I do not want say that. I will just have to say that unfortunately I will have to live with what was said by Obama. I will say I hate it. Look, I spoke to Putin, Merkel, Abe of Japan, to France today, and this was my most unpleasant call because I will be honest with you. I hate taking these people. I guarantee you they are bad. That is why they are in prison right now. They are not going to be wonderful people who go on to work for the local milk people.​

    What on earth are milk people, how does he know Mexican immigrants and these boat people in Australia are all bad? It's been entirely too consistent to be coincidental. He puts North Korea on blast threatening fire and fury like the world has never seen but can't bring himself to muster the same indignation with regards to hate groups right here in our country. Now old school conservatives are getting indignant with him. This isn't about political posturing anymore, perhaps it never was.

    Yes, Europe is having some real problems handling the volume of immigrants, no one would deny that Brexit was largely over wholesale immigration and open boarders. Europe and the United States are getting more nationalistic and protectionist as a result but that doesn't warrant this kind of inflammatory rhetoric.

    Trump's base is eroding, even FoxNews is starting to turn on him.
     
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  5. LoveBeingAMuslimah

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    Assad is a Ba'athist ("secular" nationalists who often believe in Arab superiority) and the Ba'ath party took inspiration from the Nazis and admired Adolf Hitler. In fact, one of the Ba'ath groups was among the first to want to translate the Mein Kampf into Arabic.
     
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  6. LoveBeingAMuslimah

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    I coincidentally came across a twitter thread talking about the radical right and Assad's regime.

    "Thread: Anyone surprised #Charlottesville Nazis (& fascists generally) admire #Assad hasn’t paid attention. Brief recap of recent history:"

    In January, it emerged senior Nazi commander and Adolf Eichmann aide, Alois Brunner, died in Damascus as guest of Assad regime:

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    In 2016, former French National Front youth leader Julien Rochedy snapped this selfie with Bashar in Damascus:

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    Also in 2016, Syria’s then-speaker of parliament Muhammad Jihad al-Lahham received Greek Golden Dawn MP Ioannis Sachinidis in Damascus:

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    In 2013, former British BNP leader Nick Griffin met Assad’s then-Prime Minister Wael Nader al-Halqi in Damascus:

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    Also in 2013, delegation from Poland’s Falanga [“Falangists”] met al-Halqi, Deputy FM Faysal Moqdad, Mufti Hassun, etc, in Damascus:

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    Many more far-right groups, including Belgium’s Vlaams Belang; the European Solidarity Front for Syria; have made similar pilgrimages:

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    Finally, former KKK head David Duke has been a huge Assad fan for years. Here he is meeting Mufti Hassun as far back as 2005:

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  7. Redac

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    Oh no, right wingers support Assad! Better go ahead and switch my support to whichever group of Islamist savages it is you like.
     
  8. LoveBeingAMuslimah

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    Oh no! The "Islamists" are much more well-behaved than the genocidal, blood-thirsty scum you support. Can never switch your support to them though, because it's better to love Hitler than it is to love a good Muslim.

    A picture is worth a thousand words. Or in this case, an infograph:

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  9. LoveBeingAMuslimah

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    And another thread!

    Assad's fascist lovers. A visual thread.

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    French lovers

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    *(My own point: Hugo Chavez is often someone supported by the leftists too, as are Bashar and Putin. I am actually unclear whether these people are from the left or right)

    German lovers. Starring: Udo Voigt, former leader of fascist NPD

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    British lovers. Starring: Nick Griffin, former leader of fascist British National Party

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    Italian lovers (far-right party poster)

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    Flemish lovers from Belgium. Starring: Filip Dewinter, leading member of fascist Vlaams Belang

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    Bulgarian lovers
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    Greek lovers

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    Spanish lovers

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    Polish lovers

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    Hungarian lovers

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    And the grand wizard!
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  10. LoveBeingAMuslimah

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    Glenn Greenwald being attacked (and him agreeing with his attackers lol, as if he hasn't already been pro-Russian & Assad enough) for this article being posted on the often-garbage site, TheIntercept. An article that is talking badly about the alt-right....being attacked by the alt-left. This perfectly describes how they agree on and cooperate over their atrocious views on Syria.

    Anyway, the actual article was good:

    Assad is a key figure in confirming the white nationalist worldview. “Holding on to Syria,” Reid Ross said, “marks for them a crucial foothold in a larger geopolitical mission — one that has everything to do with that spiritual purity associated with family, tradition, and nation.” To the far right, Assad is at the front lines in the fight against the Islamic State and, more broadly, the forces of “Islamic terrorism” in the Middle East under a nationalist banner that looks very much like their own.

    And the admiration doesn’t run in only one direction. The Assad regime has cultivated relationships with far-right white nationalists for decades. One of these was allegedly Alois Brunner, who actually died in Damascus in 2010. There is reason to believe that Brunner advised Bashar’s father Hafez al-Assad on torture techniques used in Syria’s infamous prison system, even as the regime has denied ever harboring Bruner.

    In spite of the Assad regime’s track record of being the primary perpetrators of escalating Syria’s civil war — which has likely left half a million dead and spurred a massive exodus of refugees — the United Nations, the United States, and certainly Russia are all looking for solutions to the Syrian crisis that keep Assad in power. Assad’s relationship-building and connections with fringe politicians in the West has contributed to creating international legitimacy for his continued rule, as well as fueling a propaganda machine that paints the dictator as one of the final Arab leaders standing up against American imperialism and “Islamic extremism.”

    Why White Nationalists Love Bashar al-Assad
     
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