The 70 Weeks of Daniel

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The prophets lived before the temple was completed in Herod's day. And most of them killed were before the Babylonian captivity.

The Church also suffered extreme Jewish persecution in the period leading up to 70 AD.
 
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That happened before Jerusalem and the temple was rebuilt.

The prophets lived before the temple was completed in Herod's day. And most of them killed were before the Babylonian captivity.
Luke 11
47Woe to you! You build tombs for the prophets, but it was your fathers who killed them. 48So you are witnesses consenting to the deeds of your fathers: They killed the prophets, and you build their tombs. 49Because of this, the wisdom of God said, ‘I will send them prophets and apostles; some of them they will kill and others they will persecute.’50As a result, this generation will be charged with the blood of all the prophets that has been shed since the foundation of the world, 51from the blood of Abel to the blood of Zechariah, who was killed between the altar and the sanctuary.h Yes, I tell you, all of it will be charged to this generation.
 
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The question is whether "vision" in Daniel 9:23 refers to the vision which Daniel had previously received in Daniel 8, or whether it refers to the vision which Daniel was about to receive beginning with Daniel 9:24.

I invite you to cite any scholar, apologist, or commentator, historical or contemporary, who shares your view that it refers to the vision which Daniel had previously received in Daniel 8, and not to the vision which Daniel was about to receive beginning with Daniel 9:24.

Name, quote, link.
 
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The question is whether "vision" in Daniel 9:23 refers to the vision which Daniel had previously received in Daniel 8, or whether it refers to the vision which Daniel was about to receive beginning with Daniel 9:24.
Daniel did not have a vision in verse 24. He was told about the matter (of the 70 years of being in Babylonian captivity) and the completion of the vision Gabriel interacted with Daniel in Daniel 8.

23 At the beginning of thy supplications the commandment came forth, and I am come to shew thee; for thou art greatly beloved: therefore understand the matter (of the 70 years of Babylonian captivity), and consider the vision (of the transgression of desolation by the little horn person).

24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

I invite you to cite any scholar, apologist, or commentator, historical or contemporary, who shares your view that it refers to the vision which Daniel had previously received in Daniel 8, and not to the vision which Daniel was about to receive beginning with Daniel 9:24.

Name, quote, link.
Let's just stick to the topic at hand.
 
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Entirely the topic at hand. This is a classic example of the indispensability of other wisdom and discernment as a benchmark against which to test our own understanding.

Sadly, you fail the test.
 
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Entirely the topic at hand. This is a classic example of the indispensability of other wisdom and discernment as a benchmark against which to test our own understanding.

Sadly, you fail the test.
You are going off in some philosophic direction you hold.
 
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It is a direction following a trail blazed by virtually every defender of the true faith throughout Church history.

What is your direction?
To walk humbly before God.
 
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The parable of the fig tree is when the branches are tender and putting forth leaves - i.e. new growth. Jerusalem in the hands of the Jews 1967.

Them in Jesus's generation who rejected the gospel of his death and resurrection on the third day will be judged for their works and be cast into the lake of fire at the Great White Throne judgement.
The parable of the fig tree is about those in the fist century (Jesus's listeners) paying attention to the signs He'd given them to watch for ("So also, when you see these things taking place, you know that the kingdom of God is near." ~ Luke 21:31). They weren't signs for our day now (nearly 2000 years later) or even in 1967. All of Jesus's words here go together:

Luke 21:5-36

......Jesus ended with:

Luke 21:36~ So keep watch at all times, and pray that you may have the strength to escape all that is about to happen
 
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.....and I'd just add the questions about what city is referred to here as well as why one fulfillment isn't enough:

Matthew 22:7 The King was angry, and he sent his troops and destroyed those murderers and burned their city.

There would have been no misunderstanding by the Jews as to what city was being burned, and by Whom; in the parable.

They would have "got it" even with only their carnal discernment.

Some dispensationalized futurists do not.

So they all repented of their sins, and turned to Jesus. Did that happen? No, so your thinking is wrong.
That doesn't negate what JGR posted.

I believe the apostate religious leaders believed they could still manipulate the situation in order to maintain control of the Temple and stop the burning of their city. They're recorded as saying almost exactly that here:

John 11:48
If we let Him go on like this, everyone will believe in Him, and then the Romans will come and take away both our place and our nation.”
 
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The parable of the fig tree is about those in the fist century (Jesus's listeners) paying attention to the signs He'd given them to watch for ("So also, when you see these things taking place, you know that the kingdom of God is near." ~ Luke 21:31). They weren't signs for our day now (nearly 2000 years later) or even in 1967.

Matthew 24:32-51 is a message to Christians, to be watching for Jesus to come for the rapture to avoid going through the great tribulation.

Matthew 24:44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

We don't know the day nor the hour, but we are to know the season. Which is by the parable of the fig tree. It is end times. The evidence is overwhelming.

Israel a nation in the land again, fulfilling Isaiah 66:7-8, a nation born in a single day May 14, 1948. And Jerusalem back in the hands of the Jews. All at a time, whereby the entire world, and Christians around the world can witness it.

All of Jesus's words here go together:

Luke 21:5-36

......Jesus ended with:

Luke 21:36~ So keep watch at all times, and pray that you may have the strength to escape all that is about to happen

The 70 AD event ended in Luke 21:24. We are now living in the times of the Gentiles, with the last trodden down of Jerusalem to be the 42 months by the beast's army in Revelation 11:2.

24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

Luke 21:34-36 is about watching for Jesus, corresponding to Matthew 24:44 which I copied and pasted above.
 
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Matthew 24:32-51 is a message to Christians, to be watching for Jesus to come for the rapture to avoid going through the great tribulation.

Matthew 24:44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

We don't know the day nor the hour, but we are to know the season. Which is by the parable of the fig tree. It is end times. The evidence is overwhelming.

Israel a nation in the land again, fulfilling Isaiah 66:7-8, a nation born in a single day May 14, 1948. And Jerusalem back in the hands of the Jews. All at a time, whereby the entire world, and Christians around the world can witness it.



The 70 AD event ended in Luke 21:24. We are now living in the times of the Gentiles, with the last trodden down of Jerusalem to be the 42 months by the beast's army in Revelation 11:2.

24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

Luke 21:34-36 is about watching for Jesus, corresponding to Matthew 24:44 which I copied and pasted above.

Not in the historical orthodox true Church.

Only in the modernist dispensationalist futurist church.
 
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