The 70 week prophecy of Daniel 9

[mrasell]

This prophecy is important because it proves the validity of Scripture, it was one of the prophecies that led to my conversion, and also it shows the year day principle which we use to calculate 1844 AD from the 2300 day prophecy.

I have dedicated a webpage to this prophecy:
The 70 weeks prophecy of Daniel 9

Marc Rasell

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Great job on historically confirming the dates for the 70 weeks....

 

[David M. Curtis]

Greetings mrasel, and EastCoastRemnant,

This is a topic of keen interest to me, in fact it was your post that moved me to want to join today. So thank you for posting it!

 

[David M. Curtis]

I have done a great deal of research on the matter, and hope that you wouldn't mind me sharing a few notes for your consideration. Allow me to begin by quoting from your article:

Quoting from your article:
"Jesus was crucified on a Friday, Nisan 14 when the Passover lamb was slain. Although astronomical data cannot be relied upon, they can give an approximation of possible years a Friday Nisan 14 would have occurred:

AD 30 crescent moon = approx. March 25, Nisan 14 = Friday April 7
AD 31 crescent moon = approx. April 14, Nisan 14 = Friday April 27
AD 33 crescent moon = approx. March 21, Nisan 14 = Friday April 3"

Using official Jewish sources and NASA's website, the first two (30 AD and 31 AD) dates do not match which day Passover actually fell on, during the years referenced above.

Let's look at the third date 33 AD for an example: NASA confirms that the New Moon occurred March 21, in 33 AD, which gives us a Friday Passover April 3, in 33 AD (Julian Calendar / Dates before 1582 on NASA’s site are based on the Julian Calendar). See for yourself on NASA's website: http://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/phase/phases0001.html (I just discovered that NASA no longer provides this service that link has expired, please use the Moon Page website it confirms the same information).

Both Rosetta Calendar and Abdicate (official Jewish calendar websites) confirm that Passover in 33 AD, occurred Friday April 3 (Julian Calendar).

The date given in your article for 31 AD, as being Friday April 27, is far too late to be a possibility. Passover has never occurred that late in April! That would be like saying the secular observance of Christmas (December 25th) occurred in January or a February in such and such a year. It's simply not possible. Read Wikipedia about how the Passover dates are determined. It's tied to the Full moon of the Jewish month of Nisan.

Nisan 14, in the Jewish year 3791, (31 AD) actually fell on a Monday! Which was on March 24 (Gregorian Calendar) or March 26 (Julian Calendar). The ONLY year between 27-35 AD in which Nisan 14 (Passover) fell on a Friday was in 33 AD. Click on either of these links to confirm that fact for yourself. Rosetta Calendar and Abdicate.

Below is an image of the table I created from researching Jewish Calendar's and NASA:

 

[David M. Curtis]

I understand where the confusion about all this comes from. Follow me carefully here:

The Jewish calendar uses a 360 day calendar. The Gregorian calendar using 365 days in a year was not created till nearly 1500 years after the time the Gospels were written, and over 2000 years after the book of Daniel was written. Therefore using a 365 day calendar system to interpret Daniel 9 simply isn't Biblical.

THE SEVENTY WEEKS USE THE BIBLICAL YEAR SYSTEM OF 360 DAYS PER YEAR!

Read Nehemiah chapter 1 carefully, and you will see, this is when the decree was given to restore and rebuild the walls of Jerusalem fulfilling the starting point of Daniel 9's prophecy. “it came to pass in the month Nisan, in the twentieth year of Artaxerxes the king…” Nehemiah 2:1 That year was 444 B.C.

• 444 BC DECREE TO REBUILD JERUSALEM’S WALLS AND GATE (Nehemiah 1)
• WALLS COMPLETED IN 52 DAYS Nehemiah 6:15
• WALLS DEDICATED Nehemiah 12
• GATES SHUT ON SABBATH Nehemiah 13
• THE ENTIRE BOOK OF NEHEMIAH IS THE STORY ABOUT REBUILDING THE WALLS AND GATES OF JERUSALEM.

Now let's do some simple math: + 483 (the first 69 weeks of Daniel 9) Biblical Years (360 Days X 483 = 178,880 Days).

178,880 Days from Nisan 444 B.C. takes us to Nisan 33 A.D. Which as previously mentioned is the ONLY year between 27 AD and 35 AD in which Nisan 14 fell on a Friday. It all fits with mathematical precision right down to the exact day that Jesus died.

Bible prophecy is marvelously wonderful, it confirms God inspired the Bible. Centuries before Christ was born, Daniel prophesied the exact day the Messiah would be cut off for His people.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Amen David! Thanx for joining up and posting. Sabbath blessings to you and your house.

 

[mrasell]

It's simply not possible. Read Wikipedia about how the Passover dates are determined. It's tied to the Full moon of the Jewish month of Nisan.

The ancient way the days of the month was calculated was based on the observation of the crescent moon. This leads to an error margin of more than one day, as poor weather could obscure the moon, and it can take from 1-4 days to appear after the new moon, so it is actually impossible to know the exact dates of the original Passover. At best, astronomy can only give us a possible date, it cannot be calculated, so contemporary records are needed to be sure.

Exactly the opposite, however, is the case in the problem of first visibility. All modern tables have to make arbitrary assumptions as to the visibility conditions in antiquity in general or in specific localities. These assumptions are highly arbitrary, and even for modern times, extremely unreliable. Since the phenomenon of first visibility is connected with sunset, all such tables involve inaccuracies of one full day. There are, of course, many cases where the question of first visibility might be decided with a great probability, but many critical cases will always remain undecided. I can refer you to contemporary Babylonian computations of first visibilities, which often leave the result in doubt. Modern tables are probably no better, and often worse.

(A reply from the astronomer, Neuberger, indicating that trying to calculate the date in unreliable, because of the problems associated with the observation of the crescent moon)

 

[mrasell]

Read Nehemiah chapter 1 carefully, and you will see, this is when the decree was given to restore and rebuild the walls of Jerusalem fulfilling the starting point of Daniel 9's prophecy. “it came to pass in the month Nisan, in the twentieth year of Artaxerxes the king…” Nehemiah 2:1 That year was 444 B.C.

The decree in Artaxerxes' 7th year allowed for the city to be established, but it was stopped because of opposition, then allowed to continue in the kings 20th year:

phase 1: return of exiles under Ezra (457 BC)

1. return Ezra 7-8

2. city founded Ezra 4:12-13

3. opposition arises Ezra 4:14-15; Neh. 1:1-3

4. building suspended Ezra 4:17-23


phase 2: Nehemiah (444 BC)

1. Nehemiah's return Neh. 1-2

2. work revived, walls repaired Neh. 3

3. opposition revived Neh. 4; 6:1-14

4. walls completed Neh. 6:15-16

457 BC + 483 year (69*7) = AD 27 Messiah comes, then half way through the last week is cut off (AD 31).

 

[David M. Curtis]

Hello mrasell,

This is a quite fascinating study isn't it? Thank you for jumping in on the conversation.

As we will see in a moment Ezra 4 without question occurred closer to the year 522 B.C., than 457 B.C.! I understand how anyone could confuse the identities of Artaxerxes from Ezra 4 with Artaxerxes of Ezra 7. All the Persian kings with the exception of Cyrus either called themselves Darius or Artaxerxes!

Ezra 4:23-24 clearly and conclusively identifies that it was in fact Cambyses II, (reigned 529-522BC) in the narrative of Ezra 4, since it was Cambyses II who reigned before Darius.

Ezra 4:23 Now when the copy of king Artaxerxes’ letter was read before Rehum, and Shimshai the scribe, and their companions, they went up in haste to Jerusalem unto the Jews, and made them to cease by force and power.
Ezra 4:24 Then ceased the work of the house of God which is at Jerusalem. So it ceased unto the second year of the reign of Darius king of Persia.

Verse 23 gives us the timing of when the work ceased
Verse 24 gives us the timing of how long this delay lasted.

Cyrus was the rightful king of Persia in 561-530 B.C.
Upon his death Cambyses II, the son of Cyrus and rightful heir, became king and reigned from 529-522 B.C.
When Cambyses II died in 522 B.C. , Darius became king.

ALL BIBLE COMMENTARIES AGREE!
Artaxerxes in Ezra 4 is Cambyses II, the son of Cyrus who reigned 529-522 B.C.
Artaxerxes in Ezra 7 is Longimanus 465 BCE to 424 B.C.

Nearly 80 years past (522 B.C. and 444 B.C.) between the stories of Ezra 4:14-15; Nehemiah 1:1-3. They are not the same story.

 

[David M. Curtis]

Ezra 7-8 is actually the second edict or decree permitting the return of the exiles.

Edict #1 by Cyrus, in the 538 BC
538 BC: Cyrus gives the edict that the temple in Jerusalem was to be rebuilt. Ezra 1:1-4.
538 BC: The first colony of Jews return to Jerusalem under the leadership of Zerubbabel. Ezra 1-6.
538 BC: The foundation of the temple is laid. Ezra 3:8-13.
520-521 BC: The building is hindered. Ezra 4:24.

Edict #2 by Darius, in the 519 BC
519 BC: Darius re-commissions the rebuilding of the temple. Ezra 6.
516 BC: Temple completed. Ezra 6:15.

Edict # 3 by Artaxerxes I, in the year 457 BC
457 BC: The second colony of Jews return to Jerusalem under the Authorization of Artaxerxes I. Ezra 7.

• The King finances the Temple worship Ezra 7:13,15,20
• King commissions the purchase of animals for sacrifice Ezra 7:17
• Vessels and other things needful for Temple worship are restored Ezra 7:19,20
• King commissions all the help necessary to restore Temple worship. Ezra 7:23
• King restricts taxation on those involved in Temple worship Ezra 7:24
• Jerusalem is given permission by the King to excersize the law of Moses and to teach it. Ezra 7:25,26

457 BC: The list of Ezra’s company of returning exiles and their arrival at Jerusalem. Ezra 8.
457 BC: The correction of social evils by Ezra. Ezra 9-10.

Notice that the 457 BC decree was entirely dealing with the "House of God" or the Temple:

This decree in 457 BC says nothing about restoring Jerusalem itself, its walls or its gates. Rather it is exclusively dealing with matters pertaining the "House of God" or the Temple.

Edict # 4 by Artaxerxes I, in the year 444 BC
444 BC: Edict to rebuild Jerusalem, its palaces, and its walls is given by Artaxerex I. Nehemiah 2:1-9.
441 BC The wall is dedicated. Nehemiah 12:27.

From this we can know for certain that in 444 BC that….

• 
  
  • Jerusalem had not been rebuilt
  • The wall had not been rebuilt
  • The gates had not been rebuilt

The King sent Nehemiah with official legal documents and his captains and an army of horsemen to….

• 
  
  • Rebuild Jerusalem
  • Rebuild the wall
• Of these four decrees, only the 4th given in 444 B.C. was specifically given to rebuild Jerusalem itself, its walls and its gates. Previous to this decree Jerusalem had not been rebuilt, rather it "lieth waste" Nehemiah 2:3.

 

[David M. Curtis]

Had Jesus died in 31 A.D. His ministry would have begun in 27 A.D. which would have been during the thirteenth year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar. That doesn't match the Bible's record, that John the Baptist began his ministry during the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar. Click image below to view its source on Wikipedia. Clarke, Barnes, the Biblical Illustrator commentaries etc. all agree with what Wikipedia says, that Tiberius Caesar began his reign in 14 A.D.


Most Christian scholars accept Friday in the year 33 A.D. as the day Christ was crucified. With that said, a majority vote is by no means the final vote. However all one must do is some simple math, since Tiberius Caesar began his reign on September 18, 14 A.D. and John the Baptist began his ministry during the the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar, then Christ was Baptized in 29 A.D. We know that Christ was crucified in the Spring, which places his baptism during or near the Fall of 29 A.D.

 

[mrasell]

This decree in 457 BC says nothing about restoring Jerusalem itself, its walls or its gates. Rather it is exclusively dealing with matters pertaining the "House of God" or the Temple.

The temple was already finished by 457 BC, but the decree allowed for some embellishment of the temple. The temple was finished in 515 B.C. during the reign of Darius (Ezra 6:15).

The important point of the decree of 457 BC is that it allowed the Jews to enforce a measure of Jewish law, thus it is the legal rebirth of the city (Ezra 7:26).

 

[mrasell]

Hello mrasell,

This is a quite fascinating study isn't it? Thank you for jumping in on the conversation.

As we will see in a moment Ezra 4 without question occurred closer to the year 522 B.C., than 457 B.C.! I understand how anyone could confuse the identities of Artaxerxes from Ezra 4 with Artaxerxes of Ezra 7. All the Persian kings with the exception of Cyrus either called themselves Darius or Artaxerxes!

Ezra 4:23-24 clearly and conclusively identifies that it was in fact Cambyses II, (reigned 529-522BC) in the narrative of Ezra 4, since it was Cambyses II who reigned before Darius.

Ezra 4:23 Now when the copy of king Artaxerxes’ letter was read before Rehum, and Shimshai the scribe, and their companions, they went up in haste to Jerusalem unto the Jews, and made them to cease by force and power.
Ezra 4:24 Then ceased the work of the house of God which is at Jerusalem. So it ceased unto the second year of the reign of Darius king of Persia.

Ezra gives a summary of opposition, but includes in his summary material from a later date - the opposition to the rebuilding of the city walls. This is clear because the temple was already complete in 515 BC (Ezra 6:15), so the reference to Artaxerxes must refer to opposition to the rebuilding of the city walls.

Biblical writers were not as strict as we are today to write everything in exact chronological order. But clearly Artaxerxes I came after Darius I. Ezra just inserted this extra info from a later date because it was an example of opposition to the Jews.

 

[mrasell]

Had Jesus died in 31 A.D. His ministry would have begun in 27 A.D. which would have been during the thirteenth year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar. That doesn't match the Bible's record, that John the Baptist began his ministry during the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar. Click image below to view its source on Wikipedia. Clarke, Barnes, the Biblical Illustrator commentaries etc. all agree with what Wikipedia says, that Tiberius Caesar began his reign in 14 A.D.
Most Christian scholars accept Friday in the year 33 A.D. as the day Christ was crucified. With that said, a majority vote is by no means the final vote. However all one must do is some simple math, since Tiberius Caesar began his reign on September 18, 14 A.D. and John the Baptist began his ministry during the the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar, then Christ was Baptized in 29 A.D. We know that Christ was crucified in the Spring, which places his baptism during or near the Fall of 29 A.D.

The Jews used a fall (autumn) calendar at that time for civil things, the new year would have begun in the fall when calculating regnal years. Also if they were using the non-accession year system at that time it would mean that the first year of the king would be counted as year 1 until the fall which would be year 2. So for example if a king began his reign in the summer, year 2 would start in the autumn even though it might only be a few days or months.

The Interpreters Dictionary of the Bible agrees with autumn AD 27 for Tiberius' 15th year (Harold W. Hoehner, "Chronology of the N.T., The,").

Also we have an example of a fall calendar used in Nehemiah 1:1; 2:1 where Kislev comes before Nisan in the same year (20th year of Artaxerxes), which is impossible in a spring calendar.

Augustus died in the summer of AD 14, so:
year 1 of Tiberius: until the autumn AD 14
year 2 of Tiberius: until autumn AD 15
year 15 of Tiberius: autumn AD 27 - autumn AD 28

1. There was no uniform calendar in the first century AD. Although the Romans had adopted the Julian calendar, local people who had been subjugated often used their local calendars.

2. The Jews used a lunar calendar, the religious New Year beginning in the spring and the civil New Year beginning in the autumn.

3. There was two ways of reckoning the first year of a king, either as the year in which he began his reign (non-accession system) or the first full year of his reign (accession system).

4. The phrase “fifteenth year” used in Luke was not a Roman formula, which would have been expressed as 29th (or 30th) year of tribunician power (prior to this system, the consular year was used). Therefore Luke is using a local dating system.

5. The non-accession system was the common system used in the Near East in the early period of the Roman Empire. The system was used by the Egyptians, Cyprus, probably Syria, and Palestine. Josephus indicates this method was used for the reigns of Herod the Great and his sons.

6. Jewish reckoning of foreign kings used the autumn to autumn calendar.

As the non-accessions system and the autumn calendar were the two methods used by the Jews for calculating the reign of kings, it is reasonable to assume this was the system used by Luke, although it cannot be proven. This would mean the fifteenth year of Tiberius started in the autumn of AD 27.

 

[David M. Curtis]

Hello mrasell,

First, I recognize this is your post, that you started it, and because of that the respectful thing to do is allow you to have the final word here so feel free to reply to this post I am making now and I will gracefully bow out from replying to it. I do not want to turn this post into something argumentative. So let me say I am grateful to have had an opportunity to share and participate in this discussion and give closing remarks about what you just shared.

• To summarize what you shared in the last few posts, your rationalizing that 14+15=27.
• Your position is that Ezra 4:23 is describing events that happened decades after the reign of Darius and agree that Ezra 4:24 occurred 520-519 BC during the second year of Darius.

Ezra 4 Summary:
Verse 23 gives us the timing of when the work ceased (According to you, that was DECADES AFTER the reign of Darius, my position is that was around the year 522 B.C.)
Verse 24 gives us the timing of how long this delay in the work lasted.(521-520 BC the second year of Darius.)

Pardon me, I am seriously baffled how could anyone deem that as rational way to read these verses? Its beyond me! reading these verses literally using your rationalization we are asked to believe that the chronology of these verses is... "they went up in haste to Jerusalem unto the Jews, and made them to cease by force and power (DECADES AFTER THE REIGN OF DARIUS - v. 23 and then)... it ceased unto the second year of the reign of Darius king of Persia. (520-519 B.C. - v 24)." All I can say is WOW, you seriously believe that? That blows me away!

The work ceased in 444 B.C. (v.23) and continue to cease until (80 years EARLIER) 520-519 B.C. (v.24) That is the craziest argument that I have read in all my years of ministry! I am biting my tongue so that I do not come across as argumentative (I deleted an entire paragraph from my reply because I could not find a nice way to say how ridiculous that sounds), all I can say is I am truly astonished.

Your proof text for what you called the "rebirth of the city" was Ezra 7:26. "The important point of the decree of 457 BC is that it allowed the Jews to enforce a measure of Jewish law, thus it is the legal rebirth of the city (Ezra 7:26)." - mrasell.

So am I to understand that, when someone reads Daniel's Prophecy of the 70 weeks knowing that it starts "from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem." that your 457 BC proof text is Ezra 7:26 which says nothing whatsoever about restoring or rebuilding Jerusalem?

"And whosoever will not do the law of thy God, and the law of the king, let judgment be executed speedily upon him, whether it be unto death, or to banishment, or to confiscation of goods, or to imprisonment." Ezra 7:26. You honestly believe that verse fulfills the "going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem?"

Baffled... Astonished... Mystified... Blown away!!! I really do not know what else to say. Of course you can believe what ever you want to. This is, after your post, you started this thread. So out of respect the right thing to do here is let you have the final word. Feel free to reply to this and give what ever responses you deem best, I won't reply to it. To be honest I can't believe I took the time to reply to these latest replies

(That is just crazy brother haha. Love ya buddy , I honestly do not want to offend you here, I apologize if I did. Those arguments are vague and ambiguous at best. If this is what you are basing your entire theory on? all I can say is - oh boy!)

CONCLUSION:
In 444 B.C. we have the ONLY clear command in Ezra and Nehemiah to restore and rebuild Jerusalem, including its walls, palaces and gates. + 483 Hebrew years takes us to Nisan 33 A.D. which all Jewish Calendars agree is the ONLY year between 27-35 A.D. that had a Friday Passover. This also gives us a Baptism year for Christ in 29 A.D. 14 A.D. +15 years = 29 A.D. Which according to the majority of Bible Commentaries and Wikipedia itself was the fifteenth year in the reign on Tiberius.

None of these facts require any special rationalization skills or obscure verses to support them and all of these facts are easily proven historically as demonstrated in my previous posts. Rather I would assert that it takes extraordinary effort to avoid seeing the truth of all of this. Whether you agree or disagree the math is perfect between 444 BC and 33 A.D. fulfilling the 70 week prophecy perfectly, right down to the EXACT DAY that Jesus was crucified! Are all of these facts to be dismissed as a merely a coincidence of astronomically massive proportions then? I will leave that to you and the other readers of this thread to decide for themselves.

THANK YOU!
I want to conclude by saying THANK YOU, for allowing me to share and be apart of these discussions. This topic truly fascinates me. It's been a joy sharing with you what i have learned about these matters. Love you guys!

 

[mrasell]

First, I recognize this is your post, that you started it, and because of that the respectful thing to do is allow you to have the final word here so feel free to reply to this post I am making now and I will gracefully bow out from replying to it. I do not want to turn this post into something argumentative. So let me say I am grateful to have had an opportunity to share and participate in this discussion and give closing remarks about what you just shared.

Thanks for the discussion on this important topic. I think we agree that this prophecy points to Jesus' ministry and death.
The problem is when one tries to use modern methods of counting and calendar methods which were not in use in ancient times.

An example of this is why people have problems with Jesus' statement about being in the tomb for three days and nights, when inclusive reckoning allows for part of Friday, Saturday and part of Sunday to qualify. They are trying to using modern ways of calculating things. For ancient writers this was not a problem; there are many examples of inclusive reckoning in the Bible. Whereas we would use exclusive reckoning and demand 72 full hours.

 

[Bru Ram]

First of all....
The restoration of the city, and Israel by default is not based solely in restoring walls or building houses, because whether some may like it or not some restoration has taken place before 444 bc...although certainly it was stopped and hindered.
What makes the decree of 457bc is the fact that it was at this point that the city/and nation of Israel were given for the first time self ruling powers, to appoint judges and magistrates which means that this date of 457bc marks the time when Israel becames once again a full nation before God. That is Israel as a nation was re-established in 457bc, a theocracy...
People keep looking in the wrong direction....the restoration of Jerusalem is all about religious politicaln powers...and nothing to do about building wall or not (because some buildings of the city already were built before the date of Nehemiah's letter...
what he really was to do is to finalize what had already started...This date of 457bc properly brings us to 27ad as that starting point of the 70th week (same as the end of the 69th week) at which point the Messiah was to arrive, as such dying soon thereafter in the midst of this 70th week, which is 31ad....as such the crucifixion taking place that year at passover...
This date of 457bc being the start of the first part of the 2300 years(same as start of the 70 weeks) bring us to 1844ad as the end point of the 2300 years....all along to what W.Miller arrived...

Now concerning 27ad as being the 15th year of Tiberius reign, can be understood as having an starting point in 14ad as told above having the context of the local Jewish time, which was well explained above....or can be understood as Roman times by including the the coreignal years from 12 to 14ad the Tiberius reign together with Augustus(in fact Augustus to ill to ruled), taking place before Augustus death in 14ad.

So please do not minimize local time reckoning or even coreignal years when using the roman time reckoning...either way the 15th year of Tiberius falls in 27ad.

 

[Bru Ram]

WHY IS FUTURISM A LIE...?
BECAUSE IT IS FOUNDED IN A NONEXISTENT 7 YEAR PERIOD(70TH WEEK) STOLEN FROM THE 70WEEKS OF DAN.9
WHY IS THAT 70TH WEEK NO LONGER EXITENT?
ANSWER= SIMPLY BECAUSE THAT WAS THE WEEK(7YEARS PERIOD) DURING WHICH THE NEW COVENANT WAS OFFERED IN FORCE (CONFIRM) INITIALLY SOLELY TO THE JEWS(INITIALLY BY JESUS, AND AFTER HIS DEATH IN THE MIDST OF THE WEEK HIS DISCIPLES CONTINUE HIS OFFER).

Jesus is the one that by dying in the midst of the 70th week ratified the New Covenant and in so doing stopped the Old Covenant of sacrifices and oblations at the same time.

Jesus is the Messiah Prince that was to come....

Jesus is the Prince that was to come.... and...

The people of the Prince that was to come....are the Jews (as the ones that took part in destroying the city and temple).

The abomination.desolation of Jerusalem/Israel could not take place during the 70 weeks which ended in 34 ad , because this period of 70 weeks is a period of probation, during which they were given reigning powers and the city and nation was to continue and could not be destroyed because probation was in place. This abomination of desolation did take place soon thereafter in 70ad. ( which is well outside the 70 weeks, which extended from 457bc to 34ad, as such this destrucion took place well outside the 70 weeks probation as logically expected)

since they failed their probation by rejecting the blood of the New Covenant in Christ and since the Old Covenant also ended at the cross...the Jews at the National Level were left with no covenant relationship with God ....

Yet at the end of the 70 weeks, the New Covenant was given at the personal level to believer Jews and believer Gentiles alike...as a result the Israel of Faith of OT continues as the Israel of faith of the NT(aka christians, messianic people)....

It is solely to the House of Israel and Judah that the New Covenant was given .....as told in Hebrews 8....and we christian gentiles believers were grafted into this House of Israel/Judah, into the Israel of Faith. (we did not formed a new church)

The christian church(Israel of faith) was not formed in the NT, it has its origin in the OT Israel of faith(THE GOOD OLIVE TREE OF ROMANS 11) but certainly continue as such into the NT...there was only a treeming of its original Jewish branches...and grafting of a few new wild ones(gentiles).

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Now let's do some simple math: + 483 (the first 69 weeks of Daniel 9) Biblical Years (360 Days X 483 = 178,880 Days).

178,880 Days from Nisan 444 B.C. takes us to Nisan 33 A.D. Which as previously mentioned is the ONLY year between 27 AD and 35 AD in which Nisan 14 fell on a Friday. It all fits with mathematical precision right down to the exact day that Jesus died.

Bible prophecy is marvelously wonderful, it confirms God inspired the Bible. Centuries before Christ was born, Daniel prophesied the exact day the Messiah would be cut off for His people.

First of all, welcome to the forum Bru Ram!

This thread is a year old but it is providential that you brought it up again so I can address this posters errant math... 360 day year X 483 years= 173,880 not 178,880. With this erroneous reckoning it throws the posters whole premise off that the decree used as the start of the prophesy was 444.

Thanx to Bru Ram for pointing out the importance of the third decree...

 

[John Gooch]

Between 457BC and 1917AD when the Balfour Declaration for Israel to be rebuilt as a home for the Jews, is 2373 years.
The Wiki on the Tetragrammaton has a picture of it in old Hebrew.
To my eye, it appears to be like the number 3732 !
The Hebrew is written back to front, from the left, towards the right.

Anyway my main proof is here :

In the following science facts,

are hints that it may be correct,

to believe that Jesus died on the Wood at 15:00 on the 27th of April 31AD :

-Studying the Solar Eclipse, for more than 10 years,

I made more examine of the Moons measurements.

An accurate measure of the moons average angular size,

I can not find easily on the Internet.

So this is my calculation :

HERE IS SOME WIKI MOON DATA I FOUND :

ORBIT PERIGEE

362600 KM

(356400–370400 KM)

ORBIT APOGEE

405400 KM

(404000–406700 KM)


EQUATORIAL RADIUS

1738.1 KM

(0.2725 OF EARTH'S) [NOTE LIKE e =2.718281828 ABOUT 2 IN 1000 DIFF ! ]

POLAR RADIUS

1736.0 KM

(0.2731 OF EARTH'S)



So I decided to use the Moons orbit max 406700 with the Moons min radius 1736 for the smallest Angular width,

and the min orbit 356400 with the moons max radius 1738.1 for the biggest Angular width.

Also by making Isosceles triangles,

where the smallest size side is divided by a theoretically pure Circle orbit Circumference :

Moon diameter / [2 * Pi * orbit distance]

= Moon radius / [2 * PI * orbit distance].

Minimum Angular width Moon pole to Moon pole :

= (2 * 1736)/(2 * 3.1415926 * 406700)

= 3472/2555371.46442994

= 0.00135870657097 AS A FRACTION OF 1 ORBIT.

360 * 0.00135870657097 = 0.4891343655492 DEGREES.

60 * 0.4891343655492 = 29.348061932952 MINUTES.

Maximum Angular width across the Moons Equator :

= (2 * 1738.1)/(2 * 3.1415926 * 356400)

= 3476.2/2239327.24347881

= 0.00155234122664 AS A FRACTION OF 1 ORBIT.

360 * 0.00155234122664 = 0.5588428415904 DEGREES.

60 * 0.5588428415904 = 33.530570495424 MINUTES.

Average Angular width of the two afore mentioned :

(29.348061932952 + 33.530570495424)/2 = 62.878632428376/2 = 31.439316214188 MINUTES

After the 31.4 is 393 and the 393 and 3 + 9 + 3 = 15

It is like Pi = 3.1415926 ! Praise the Lord Jesus !

31.439316214188 also seems to have the square root of 10 = 3.16227766016838,

straight after that, to 4 decimal places !

31.4393 has in it the JPL J2000.0 Tilt Angle of the Earth number 23.4393 without the 23 !

The Prime roots of 234393 are 23, 43, 79 and 3 !

The 31 and the 23 can be summed to 3 + 1 + 2 + 3 = 9 = 2 + 7 and 3 + 1 = 4 and 4 + 23 = 27 !!


-Average orbit of the Moon, is 27 days 7 hours 43 minutes 11.5seconds.


-Absolute Zero measured at -273.14999... and theoretical at -273.15 Centigrade.


-299792458 Metres per second, is the speed of Light and Radio Waves.

2 + 9 + 9 + 7 = 27

9 + 2 + 4 = 15

5 + 8 = 13 AND 1 + 3 = 4

2997924 / 58 = 51688.3448275862068965517241379310 REPEATS 3448275862068965517241379310 3448275862068965517241379310 ETC

5 + 1 + 6 + 8 + 8 + 3 = 31

Of the section 310 344827 between the repeated sections,

has unused 03 and 48, 0 + 3 + 4 + 8 = 15

the unused numbers 79 between the 5172413 and the 310 344827, add up as 7 + 9 = 15.


-The Fine Structure constant 0.007297 = 1/137.04 and 1 + 3 + 7 + 0 + 4 = 15.


-Hydrogen masers operate at the resonance frequency of the hydrogen atom, which is 1,420,405,752 Hz.

This is the frequency of the 6EQUJ5 Wow signal,

that SETI received on 15th of August 1977, is presumed to have originally, been transmitted at.

The 6EQUJ5, written as "6EQ U J5", then as "beck You Jehovahs/Jesus Signal" !

Size of a di-pole antenna for 1420.405752 MHz is:

299792458 / [2 * 1420.4556 * 10^6 * 0.254 * 12] = 0.34622890503137239... of a Foot in length.

3 + 4 + 6 + 2 = 15 and 2 + 8 + 9 + 0 + 5 + 0 + 3 = 27 and 1 + 3 = 4 and 2 + 8 + 9 + 0 + 5 + 0 + 3 + 1 + 3 = 31.

0.34622890503137239 rounded up is 0.3462289050313724,

and reversed is 4273130509822643.0 and which starts the date 4 27 31 in USA date format again !!

42731305 rounded up is 4213131 and 98226 adds up to 27 982264 adds up to 31 !!

At the first zero of the number, it is 0.34622890 which rounded up is 0.346229.

The underlined of 0.346229 reminds me of John 6:29,

which is the work of God, that is to increase your own belief, in the Man Jesus, who was sent by God.


-The wow signal of the SETI receiving experiment at the Hydrogen Maser frequency in Ohio, USA of 1977.

THE TIME AND DATE 22:16:10 HOURS ETD 15TH OF AUGUST 1977

or 1977-8-15 22:16:10 UN date format and Eastern Standard Time.

THE COORDINATES 19:17:24 ASCENSION AND -27 DECLINATION.

THE SIGNAL MAGNITUDE :

6 WAS AT 1977-8-15 22:15:35 6 - 7 Decimal magnitude of noise level.

E WAS AT 1977-8-15 22:15:47 14 - 15 Decimal magnitude of noise level.

Q WAS AT 1977-8-15 22:15:59 26 - 27 Decimal magnitude of noise level.

U WAS AT 1977-8-15 22:16:10 30 - 31 Decimal magnitude of noise level, The Time had a 16:1 like in PHI = 1.61803... !

J WAS AT 1977-8-15 22:16:22 19 - 20 Decimal magnitude of noise level.

5 WAS AT 1977-8-15 22:16:34 5 - 6 Decimal magnitude of noise level.



Some may say God is being too cryptic, or that this is just wrong,

but I say, that God is offering a Creation Design investigation system,

for help to do the work of God.

Also perhaps, to be able to heal the causes of illness, instead of just the symptoms.

The 34 at the start of 0.34622890503137239..., and the 3462289, just before the first 0, added up is 34,

from the Speed of Light bit above, reminds me of the initials C.D. for Creation Design,

and reminds me also that 34AD was the last year of the Prophecy of Dan 9,

as explained since 1844,

along with the Crucifixion as having happened in 31AD,

by the Seventh Day Adventist church,

who own several Hospitals

and claim that vegetarianism is healthy but not mandatory.



Some of many more finds at JESUS CRUCIFIED 31 AD

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the copy and paste thought it good to reduce the reproduction exactness.