the $600 unemployment boost ended yesterday

[savedthroughgrace]

Because no where is a full time minimum wage enough for a double apartment and like only 5% can afford a single, people work their butts off to be poor, and good on you, what about the other 50% of americans living under pvoverty line while working full time?

Just because you managed to get through it doesn't mean everyone else should be forced to work for peanuts.

The most recent official poverty rate was 11.8%
Income and Poverty in the United States: 2018

 

[savedthroughgrace]

The most recent official poverty rate was 11.8%
Income and Poverty in the United States: 2018

4.5% are working.
A profile of the working poor, 2018 : BLS Reports: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

 

[savedthroughgrace]

Theres 14 million working age people more than there are job vacancies. And the jobs that have been destroyed by the crisis are those low paying retail, restaurant, bar, customer service jobs that you are talking about. There is no sign that those jobs are coming back any time soon.

Can you cite this please?
Also thats 4.2% of the population. So not extremely widespread

 

[JohnDB]

I've had meals that weren't with a Dime.
But some one spent a lot of time making it.

Your marketable skills have to have value in order to be paid a decent wage.

Saffron is a prime example...it usually is some of the lowest cost labor to process the most expensive spice. Garlic peelers barely earn their food and housing. (Usually prison labor)

So living wages are again personal responsibility...not someone getting rich off of someone else's labor.

This is why in certain parts of the world people grow and harvest poppy instead of wheat. They get three times the money for poppy as wheat or corn. They at least take personal choices as the results of their wages... unlike Americans who want to blame someone else for their poor choices.

Blame shifting is as old as Adam, Eve, and the snake. It didn't work out for them and it has the same effectiveness today.

 

[Goonie]

Can you cite this please?
Also thats 4.2% of the population. So not extremely widespread

Still trying to find link,but remember I'm referring to working age population. And what I said still holds the pandemic had destroyed millions of entry level jobs in customer facing industries.

 

[savedthroughgrace]

Still trying to find link,but remember I'm referring to working age population. And what I said still holds the pandemic had destroyed millions of entry level jobs in customer facing industries.

Oh good point. Sorry about that. It goes up to 6.5%
I agree the job loss during this pandemic is an issue. The People (read government) have to decide if its better to lose jobs or lift quarantine and risk a number of lives.

 

[Goonie]

Oh good point. Sorry about that. It goes up to 6.5%
I agree the job loss during this pandemic is an issue. The People (read government) have to decide if its better to lose jobs or lift quarantine and risk a number of lives.

The problem with both the US and UK govts has been the consistency of messaging. Trump supports masks one week, then tweets support of anti maskers the next, and don't get me started about Dominic Cummings!

 

[savedthroughgrace]

The problem with both the US and UK govts has been the consistency of messaging. Trump supports masks one week, then tweets support of anti maskers the next, and don't get me started about Dominic Cummings!

We are watching this entire thing real time. Research and information ebs and flows daily and every time they get info they feel the need to change everything and announce it. Then the next day they find out something else that changes their mind. I wish I had an answer.
When its all over everyone will know "what should have been done" but thats because hindsight is 20/20.

 

[Goonie]

We are watching this entire thing real time. Research and information ebs and flows daily and every time they get info they feel the need to change everything and announce it. Then the next day they find out something else that changes their mind. I wish I had an answer.
When its all over everyone will know "what should have been done" but thats because hindsight is 20/20.

True, but that is still no excuse for Trump's Tweets and failure to lead. He is more worried over being reelected,than and his own ego than the good of the US.

 

[savedthroughgrace]

True, but that is still no excuse for Trump's Tweets and failure to lead. He is more worried over being reelected,than and his own ego than the good of the US.

What is he doing to try to get reelected?

 

[GreatLakes4Ever]

What is he doing to try to get reelected?

Keep the economy going no matter how many lives would be lost in the process. Unfortunately the number of COVID cases is getting to the point where the economy is going to start to crumble no matter what Trump does. He can’t out talk nor outrun reality on this one. And the United States is worse off because he attempted it and failed.

 

[loveofourlord]

Keep the economy going no matter how many lives would be lost in the process. Unfortunately the number of COVID cases is getting to the point where the economy is going to start to crumble no matter what Trump does. He can’t out talk nor outrun reality on this one. And the United States is worse off because he attempted it and failed.

One thing that should be on the horizon soon least in new york and such, is if immunity only lasts 3 or so months, then the people who caught it the first time should be starting to recatch it if they aren't careful, and considering even healthy people have damage from covid, hate to think what might happen.

 

[JohnDB]

One thing that should be on the horizon soon least in new york and such, is if immunity only lasts 3 or so months, then the people who caught it the first time should be starting to recatch it if they aren't careful, and considering even healthy people have damage from covid, hate to think what might happen.

I'm thinking that we could be looking at some very sobering numbers this fall and winter... especially around the holidays.

 

[loveofourlord]

I'm thinking that we could be looking at some very sobering numbers this fall and winter... especially around the holidays.

Of course I hope that they are wrong about it not lasting, but the peak of july could be seeing second wave. Yeah, I keep thinking I'm opver reacting as I have a TON of soup and such hoarded up *only a bit at a time* but with the potential for fall/winter to be really bad till vaccine, I rather be eating a lot of soup and having friends over to get through it, then have my town get covid really bad and have to get food.

 

[cow451]

What is he doing to try to get reelected?

What he has always done... say or do anything to split the country.

 

[JohnDB]

Yeah, I keep thinking I'm opver reacting as I have a TON of soup and such hoarded up *only a bit at a time*

We had the same thing happen... except with brown mustard.

 

[loveofourlord]

We had the same thing happen... except with brown mustard.

it's just getting out of hand.

 

[ArmenianJohn]

As to the landlords though remember unless they have paid off their house and that house or houses they still have bills to pay ( plus additional bills of their own and to maintain the rental property or properties, so if they were to evict on the grounds that THEIR creditors were going to foreclose or shut off services to them are they really being unreasonable?

Most landlords should have enough money to carry them through months of not receiving rent. That is their responsibility. They shouldn't be reliant on collecting rent. Many landlords are forgiving, reducing, and/or deferrring rent for their tenants if they are good tenants (and sometimes even if they're not). A landlord with morals would do that and they are out there. A landlord who is unable to pay their creditors can't blame their tenants. Vacancies are part of landlording just like unexpected repairs, etc.

 

[cow451]

Most landlords should have enough money to carry them through months of not receiving rent. That is their responsibility. They shouldn't be reliant on collecting rent. Many landlords are forgiving, reducing, and/or deferrring rent for their tenants if they are good tenants (and sometimes even if they're not). A landlord with morals would do that and they are out there. A landlord who is unable to pay their creditors can't blame their tenants. Vacancies are part of landlording just like unexpected repairs, etc.

One could say the same thing for tenants. But this pandemic is well past six months.

 

[JohnDB]

it's just getting out of hand.

Well we did stop buying mustard...we only have 3 bottles left.