the $600 unemployment boost ended yesterday

[grasping the after wind]

Or maybe one likes having the time to do other things then working all day for a pittance. If i had the option to spend my limited time working menial labor for a pittance or doing things I love and getting far more then I could make working, the choice is obvious.

Do you really think there are only two options? If I only had two options, I would hope that I was wise enough to base my decision on which option did the most good and the least harm rather than basing it on which one gave me the most pleasure.

 

[Arcangl86]

I don't understand why everyone harps on minimum wage. I worked through high school at minimum wage, gaining experience and knowledge. Started as a sales associate, then a bag boy. Worked up to assistant manager. Used that experience to get a job in banking. Got raises in banking to double what minimum wage was at the time.AAll without a degree.
More direct to the OP.... it needed to end some time. However maybe the eviction hold could have been held out a little longer.

Good for you. Your experience is not universal.

 

[Speedwell]

Do you really think there are only two options? If I only had two options, I would hope that I was wise enough to base my decision on which option did the most good and the least harm rather than basing it on which one gave me the most pleasure.

Yes, for many people the only two options are a low-paying dead end job or no job at all.

 

[savedthroughgrace]

Good for you. Your experience is not universal.

But why...that is what I'm saying. What is the reason? Is it because everyone is out to get some people, or is it because those people don't work for what they want/need and accept defeat?

Some biblical backing to working...even if you could get more money from being lazy.
Proverbs 13:4
Proverbs 14:23
2 Thessalonians 3:10-12
1 Thessalonians 4:11-12
1 Timothy 5:8

 

[Arcangl86]

But why...that is what I'm saying. What is the reason? Is it because everyone is out to get some people, or is it because those people don't work for what they want/need and accept defeat?

Some biblical backing to working...even if you could get more money from being lazy.
Proverbs 13:4
Proverbs 14:23
2 Thessalonians 3:10-12
1 Thessalonians 4:11-12
1 Timothy 5:8

Part of it could just be generational. Employers are just less likely to pay high wages now. They know that people will just accept what they can get, because having food and a roof over their head is vital and some money is better then no money. The argument against a minimum wage, or raising the minimum wage, assumes a completely free market. In that sort of market people would withhold their labor if they weren't happy with the price being offered for it. But the need for survival overrides that.

 

[savedthroughgrace]

Part of it could just be generational. Employers are just less likely to pay high wages now. They know that people will just accept what they can get, because having food and a roof over their head is vital and some money is better then no money. The argument against a minimum wage, or raising the minimum wage, assumes a completely free market. In that sort of market people would withhold their labor if they weren't happy with the price being offered for it. But the need for survival overrides that.

I can agree that management does not want to pay higher salaries generally. I also agree that the need to survive and provide should and does push one to work for even minimum wage. I also know there will always be people without any drive who will take and take while giving as little of themselves as possible and complain when people won't give them more. I still believe that if you want more than minimum wage its out there and attainable to anyone who puts forth the effort.
Those who do have the means should take care of the poor and needy, widowed and orphaned....but there should be some discernment in regards to how that's done and where money goes. Unfortunately goverment assistance isn't very good about ensuring money is used appropriately.

 

[Speedwell]

I still believe that if you want more than minimum wage its out there and attainable to anyone who puts forth the effort.

I'm sure you find that belief comforting.

 

[savedthroughgrace]

I'm sure you find that belief comforting.

As of the end of last year only 2% of the hourly wage workers in the US earned at or below minimum wage.

Minimum wage in America: How many people are earning $7.25 an hour?

 

[Arcangl86]

As of the end of last year only 2% of the hourly wage workers in the US earned at or below minimum wage.

Minimum wage in America: How many people are earning $7.25 an hour?

But I wonder how many were making only a marginal amount more then the minimum wage.

 

[cow451]

But why...that is what I'm saying. What is the reason? Is it because everyone is out to get some people, or is it because those people don't work for what they want/need and accept defeat?

Some biblical backing to working...even if you could get more money from being lazy.
Proverbs 13:4
Proverbs 14:23
2 Thessalonians 3:10-12
1 Thessalonians 4:11-12
1 Timothy 5:8

Having been poor, I can tell you that trying to get by is a great deal of work.

 

[JohnDB]

I'm acquainted with an eviction attorney practicing in California.

Actually physically evicting someone takes a long time... almost a year in some cases.

For those who actually are making an effort to be responsible for rent most landlords are reasonable people.

 

[cow451]

I'm acquainted with an eviction attorney practicing in California.

Actually physically evicting someone takes a long time... almost a year in some cases.

For those who actually are making an effort to be responsible for rent most landlords are reasonable people.

It's a terrible dilemma for small-time landlords because they often have low profit margins in economic downturns. I live in an area that is still selling lots of houses and rental demand is high. That drives prices up, and people most likely to be unemployed (service workers, for example now are getting squeezed.

 

[Desk trauma]

I'm acquainted with an eviction attorney practicing in California.

Actually physically evicting someone takes a long time... almost a year in some cases.

In California, eviction law varies widely nationally.

 

[savedthroughgrace]

Having been poor, I can tell you that trying to get by is a great deal of work.

I understand and I feel for that. I am not attempting to minimize being poor. I am not wealthy myself. I just take personal responsibility for my own situation.

 

[savedthroughgrace]

The average hourly rate in May 2019 was 25.72 (way more than I make). The middle of the data set was 19.14 (also quite a bit more than I make.)
May 2019 National Occupational Employment and Wage Estimates

 

[savedthroughgrace]

But I wonder how many were making only a marginal amount more then the minimum wage.

See post above. I forgot to insert the quote.
Unfortunately finding the specific answer to your question is difficult, and would also require us to agree on an acceptable threshold.

 

[JohnDB]

It's a terrible dilemma for small-time landlords because they often have low profit margins in economic downturns. I live in an area that is still selling lots of houses and rental demand is high. That drives prices up, and people most likely to be unemployed (service workers, for example now are getting squeezed.

People who take a risk with buying investment property and having a mortgage on it feel so robbed when tenants don't pay rent while destroying the property they are supposed to take care of.

Would you like to pay rent or buy a house for someone you don't know?

 

[loveofourlord]

No the problem is them, not the money.

No it's that they literally don't get enough doing regular work, if 600 unemployment is enough to keep them from working then their jobs pays are the issue. I HATE the american idea that some people arn't worth being paid living wages. Thats corruption at it's best.

 

[loveofourlord]

I don't understand why everyone harps on minimum wage. I worked through high school at minimum wage, gaining experience and knowledge. Started as a sales associate, then a bag boy. Worked up to assistant manager. Used that experience to get a job in banking. Got raises in banking to double what minimum wage was at the time.AAll without a degree.
More direct to the OP.... it needed to end some time. However maybe the eviction hold could have been held out a little longer.

Because no where is a full time minimum wage enough for a double apartment and like only 5% can afford a single, people work their butts off to be poor, and good on you, what about the other 50% of americans living under pvoverty line while working full time?

Just because you managed to get through it doesn't mean everyone else should be forced to work for peanuts.

 

[Goonie]

I don't understand why everyone harps on minimum wage. I worked through high school at minimum wage, gaining experience and knowledge. Started as a sales associate, then a bag boy. Worked up to assistant manager. Used that experience to get a job in banking. Got raises in banking to double what minimum wage was at the time.AAll without a degree.
More direct to the OP.... it needed to end some time. However maybe the eviction hold could have been held out a little longer.

Theres 14 million working age people more than there are job vacancies. And the jobs that have been destroyed by the crisis are those low paying retail, restaurant, bar, customer service jobs that you are talking about. There is no sign that those jobs are coming back any time soon.